Something About Goku Black *Huge Spoiler*

[HeroR]

That's hard to believe. The bog arc wasn't bad at all, especially it's ending. Nothing besides for episode 5 should have made him feel that way. If this was during ROF it would have made more sense

The Resurrection "F" is arguably the worse of the two, but both of the retellings are honestly pretty terrible for a variety of reasons. Some episodes have terrible animation, off model drawings, bad storyboards, still images in situations that desperately need motion, etc. It's rare for the episodes to hit all the checkboxes, but most of them are hitting at least one.

Idiot here (me). Do you mean that the staff helped Toriyama think of the Goku Black arc, or that the staff at Toei had to think of a way to not have him leave?

Assuming the information is accurate, the implication is that the people at Toei provided him with some sort of general idea/concept for the arc. Maybe they suggested an evil Goku story? Maybe it was bringing Future Trunks back? Both, perhaps? We have no idea what their specific involvement is/was on the matter.

But isn't that more opinion base. From what I have observed, most like the Battle of Gods retelling, animation issues and pacing aside. And it still wouldn't explain why Toriyama would be ready to walk in a middle of a retelling when the studio didn't even get to the new stuff he wrote. Plus, we can only guess what Toriyama was complaining about regardless.

Also, why would Toei suggesting a story arc keep Toriyama from leaving instead of improving the flaws in Super?

[Zoeyvalentine]

I think its SSGred no? the only difference its he have SSJ1 Hair and Goku have Normal Saiyan hairstyle just Red.

If black can reach SSGred power levels can be like this

Black/Goku SSGred 6
Goku/Vegeta SSblue 8
Beerus 10
Weiss 15

[Nejishiki]

That's hard to believe. The bog arc wasn't bad at all, especially it's ending. Nothing besides for episode 5 should have made him feel that way. If this was during ROF it would have made more sense

The Resurrection "F" is arguably the worse of the two, but both of the retellings are honestly pretty terrible for a variety of reasons. Some episodes have terrible animation, off model drawings, bad storyboards, still images in situations that desperately need motion, etc. It's rare for the episodes to hit all the checkboxes, but most of them are hitting at least one.

Idiot here (me). Do you mean that the staff helped Toriyama think of the Goku Black arc, or that the staff at Toei had to think of a way to not have him leave?

Assuming the information is accurate, the implication is that the people at Toei provided him with some sort of general idea/concept for the arc. Maybe they suggested an evil Goku story? Maybe it was bringing Future Trunks back? Both, perhaps? We have no idea what their specific involvement is/was on the matter.

But isn't that more opinion base. From what I have observed, most like the Battle of Gods retelling, animation issues and pacing aside. And it still wouldn't explain why Toriyama would be ready to walk in a middle of a retelling when the studio didn't even get to the new stuff he wrote. Plus, we can only guess what Toriyama was complaining about regardless.

Also, why would Toei suggesting a story arc keep Toriyama from leaving instead of improving the flaws in Super?

Have you considered the Champa's Tournament arc's draft was already finished? It doesn't seem too odd for them to secure a story after the Resurrection F arc. Even assuming Toriyama was ready to leave sooner than later, that doesn't stop projects from continuing the same way they have to rush to an ending after poor ratings.

[buutenks]

In ep 53 we see the kaioshin temple gate is pink. I wonder if that is a hint that Goku Black will get a pink ssj form? ^^

And ye it looks cool.

[HeroR]

Have you considered the Champa's Tournament arc's draft was already finished? It doesn't seem too odd for them to secure a story after the Resurrection F arc. Even assuming Toriyama was ready to leave sooner than later, that doesn't stop projects from continuing the same way they have to rush to an ending after poor ratings.

But the Champa Saga ended on a promise of an even bigger tournament, so it makes even less sense for Toriyama to leave. Unless you think Toriyama already wrote the next tournament and put the Future Trunks stuff in-between later, which isn't how Toriyama normally writes.

[Nejishiki]

That would fall under the criteria of the staff continuing on as needed. It's not exactly foreign for Toriyama to end his stories with an open ending. Obviously we won't truly know how most of the production proceeded, but I'm merely arguing that some of these ideas aren't as impossible as they may seem, considering similar examples of this.

[Shin]

I find it weird seeing people complain about pink hair and how it clashes with black, but they never seemed to have a problem or even praise Super Saiyan 4 Goku's design. Pink is a very good complementary color to black and fits Black's design (compliments the red band around his waist). The image we got was pretty low quality so it's early to pass judgement. Let's neither hate nor praise it yet, until we see more of it.

SS4 is red, not Pink. Or at least portrayed to be red in most other media.

The base color is pink. View here: http://www.color-hex.com/color/ff558a

[SpiritBombTriumphant]

Have you considered the Champa's Tournament arc's draft was already finished? It doesn't seem too odd for them to secure a story after the Resurrection F arc. Even assuming Toriyama was ready to leave sooner than later, that doesn't stop projects from continuing the same way they have to rush to an ending after poor ratings.

But the Champa Saga ended on a promise of an even bigger tournament, so it makes even less sense for Toriyama to leave. Unless you think Toriyama already wrote the next tournament and put the Future Trunks stuff in-between later, which isn't how Toriyama normally writes.

It was said that he started drafting the FT arc for Super last August. He could've wanted to leave before or during that time period. I honestly think that Toei would've simply made up their own crap and made a modern GT. But they wouldn't have just dropped it there. Too much potential.

[Mazingerdestro]

Why people get crazy about ssj pink when ssj4 had the same colors all over his body?
Ssj4 wasn't looking bad

[dbgtFO]

Why people get crazy about ssj pink when ssj4 had the same colors all over his body?
Ssj4 wasn't looking bad

Goku's colour as a SS4 is not the same as this SS Pink bullcrap.
And yeah that's my opinion, bullcrap. I dread to see how they are going to colour it for the anime.
Still something like Gilthunder's hair colour in Nanatsu no Taizai is acceptable, if it has to be fucking pink, yuck(*spits and slams door and starts crying myself too sleep*)
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[Lord Beerus]

[spoiler]Looks like the new form for Goku Black could be called Super Saiyan Rose. This is just getting better and better.[/spoiler]

[HeroR]

Have you considered the Champa's Tournament arc's draft was already finished? It doesn't seem too odd for them to secure a story after the Resurrection F arc. Even assuming Toriyama was ready to leave sooner than later, that doesn't stop projects from continuing the same way they have to rush to an ending after poor ratings.

But the Champa Saga ended on a promise of an even bigger tournament, so it makes even less sense for Toriyama to leave. Unless you think Toriyama already wrote the next tournament and put the Future Trunks stuff in-between later, which isn't how Toriyama normally writes.

It was said that he started drafting the FT arc for Super last August. He could've wanted to leave before or during that time period. I honestly think that Toei would've simply made up their own crap and made a modern GT. But they wouldn't have just dropped it there. Too much potential.

So he ends the Champa Saga on the promise of something more and then leaves? Even if we assumed that Toei was going to there own stuff, why why would Toriyama end a story with a promise of a bigger arc? Also, the vast appeal of Super is that it has Toriyama's involvement, just like they didn't announce any movies without his input now.

[Anime Kitten]

Hey, @Lord Beerus, you might wanna update the opening post with "Super Saiyan Rose" instead of "Pink". If that IS the name.

[Chiki]

Hey, @Lord Beerus, you might wanna update the opening post with "Super Saiyan Rose" instead of "Pink". If that IS the name.

Isn't it Super Saiyan Princess?

[Anime Kitten]

Isn't it Super Saiyan Princess?

Not if those leaked episode titles are true.

[Lord Beerus]

Hey, @Lord Beerus, you might wanna update the opening post with "Super Saiyan Rose" instead of "Pink". If that IS the name.

When we get official confirmation from the main site, I'll change the name my OP. But the name is so awesome, I'm just gonna run with it for now.

[Zillamon51]

I don't think Black should have transformations. I liked how he was strong enough to battle on par with SS Goku, and I think that should continue. It just makes a better visual, standard black-haired Goku, powering up with his dark aura, against the real Goku with his more colorful clothes and various transformations.

Have to see 'Rose' in action to see if it looks cool, or too girly. Think they'll change his name to go with it? "The Battle for the Future Begins! Goku vs. Rose!"

[SonsOfUlron21]

I don't think Black should have transformations. I liked how he was strong enough to battle on par with SS Goku, and I think that should continue. It just makes a better visual, standard black-haired Goku, powering up with his dark aura, against the real Goku with his more colorful clothes and various transformations.

Have to see 'Rose' in action to see if it looks cool, or too girly. Think they'll change his name to go with it? "The Battle for the Future Begins! Goku vs. Rose!"

Maybe they want to show the audience that Black is actually getting stronger by giving him a transformation.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

If Super Saiyan Rose turns out to be a form beyond Super Saiyan Blue, and Goku (the real one, not Black) manages to achieve it, we know that we'll see Vegeta admitting again that Goku is #1 and that Vegeta will never be able to surpass him, so he'll never go past Blue.

[Lord Beerus]

Yep. It's officially Super Saiyan Rose.