The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[voltlunok]

I don't think he would effortlessly stomp the Titans. I think he would have some struggle against Starfire and Raven. Mostly cause Starfire is rather DBZ in her own way and well Raven...Well it depends which Raven, if it's White cloaked Raven after the Trigon event then yeah Raven would destroy Goku with ease. Regular Raven? That's a closer fight.

Goku's too strong, too powerful, too durable and too fast for them.

What are the titan's going to do against a guy who's mach 20+ (with arguably lightning fast reflexes), has enough fire power to obliderate the moon and can shrug off attacks powerful enough to level an entire country while battle damaged.

I'll say you're right about White Raven though, regular Raven would still get destroyed with ease. But Starfire could perhaps put up some kind of a fight but Goku would still win soundly.

Alright, Starfire alone could challenge Goku maybe not beat but challenge, She is like a light version of Supergirl, they repeatedly showed and emphasize that Starfire has super strength, this coupled with how fast she can fly, She can comfortably challenge Goku. Keep in mind I'm going only off the show, if I threw the comics in then I'd say Goku doesn't stand a chance. The boys don't stand a chance, don't get me wrong I love all the titans but those 3 are kinda useless here.

Now let's move onto the other half of my statement, Raven. The strongest of the group, so let's see what were TV Raven's powers again...

Spoiler:

Psionic abilities
Empathy
Advanced telekinesis
Telepathy
Thought projection
Spiritual powers
Astral projection
Mediumship
Soul-sealing
Magic powers
Spell-casting
Incredible knowledge of mystical artifacts, charms and spellbooks
Dark magic
Light magic
Telekinetic spells
Pseudo-Intangibility
Elemental magic spells
Necromancy
Postcognition
Freezing time (Birthmark)

Ooooooh right! All of that! I don't think Goku insta kills someone who can freeze time. Or seal his soul away, Or straight up mind control him, Or just telekineticly take controller of his body and play the cruelest game of 'stop hitting yourself' ever. Raven is bonkers powerful, not many really know this but she is the most powerful member of the Teen Titans, After the Trigon event? She got even stronger! Goku would never be able to touch Raven, let alone beat her.

EDIT: Changed some stuff up and added quote, made it sound less angry and fanboyish. My bad.

[Lord Beerus]

Spiderman(Earth 616. Mainstream Comic book Spiderman) vs Dragonball part 1. Where do he stops?

Superior Spiderman DB gaulet. Where do he stops?

Teen Titans(TV show) vs 23rd Budokai Goku

- Spiderman hits a brick wall at the King Piccolo
- Superior Spiderman hit a brick wall at the 22nd Budokai Tenkaichi Tien
- Goku stomps all of the Teen Titans but hits a brick wall with Raven. Her magic can be quite OP at times.

SSJ Kid Goku (King Piccolo fight) vs Goku (Saiyan arc)

- Saiyan arc Goku stomps

[The Monkey King]

Alright, Starfire alone could challenge Goku, She is like a light version of Supergirl, they repeatedly showed and emphasize that Starfire has super strength, this coupled with how fast she can fly, She can comfortably challenge Goku. Keep in mind I'm going only off the show, if I threw the comics in then I'd say Goku doesn't stand a chance. The boys don't stand a chance, don't get me wrong I love all the titans but those 3 are kinda useless here.

She simply can't hurt him though. According to the Daizenshuu Papaya Island rivals a small continent in size and Goku tanked a blast that destroyed it point blank while already injured.
And Goku's Super KHH is powerful enough to 'shatter the moon' and a full power 23rd BT Piccolo managed to take it with only a few scratches. Even though she can fly so can Piccolo and he still layed the smackdown on him.
Goku does to her what he did to Piccolo and she dies.

Now let's move onto the other half of my statement, Raven. The strongest of the group, so let's see what were TV Raven's powers again...

Spoiler:

Psionic abilities
Empathy
Advanced telekinesis
Telepathy
Thought projection
Spiritual powers
Astral projection
Mediumship
Soul-sealing
Magic powers
Spell-casting
Incredible knowledge of mystical artifacts, charms and spellbooks
Dark magic
Light magic
Telekinetic spells
Pseudo-Intangibility
Elemental magic spells
Necromancy
Postcognition
Freezing time (Birthmark)

Ooooooh right! All of that! I don't think Goku insta kills someone who can freeze time. Or seal his soul away, Or straight up mind control him, Or just telekineticly take controller of his body and play the cruelest game of 'stop hitting yourself' ever. Raven is bonkers powerful, not many really know this but she is the most powerful member of the Teen Titans, After the Trigon event? She got even stronger! Goku would never be able to touch Raven, let alone beat her.

EDIT: Changed some stuff up and added quote, made it sound less angry and fanboyish. My bad.

What use is that when Goku punches her head off before she can say 'Azarath'? The speed and strength gulf between them is massive. Raven never even displayed sonic speeds yet 23rd BT Goku would run circles around guys like Tao who's mach 15. Raven literally doesn't see him coming. She's still nowhere near as powerful as her white form, who I admit would stomp Goku.

[voltlunok]

Alright, Starfire alone could challenge Goku, She is like a light version of Supergirl, they repeatedly showed and emphasize that Starfire has super strength, this coupled with how fast she can fly, She can comfortably challenge Goku. Keep in mind I'm going only off the show, if I threw the comics in then I'd say Goku doesn't stand a chance. The boys don't stand a chance, don't get me wrong I love all the titans but those 3 are kinda useless here.

She simply can't hurt him though. According to the Daizenshuu Papaya Island rivals a small continent in size and Goku tanked a blast that destroyed it point blank while already injured.
And Goku's Super KHH is powerful enough to 'shatter the moon' and a full power 23rd BT Piccolo managed to take it with only a few scratches. Even though she can fly so can Piccolo and he still layed the smackdown on him.
Goku does to her what he did to Piccolo and she dies.

Now let's move onto the other half of my statement, Raven. The strongest of the group, so let's see what were TV Raven's powers again...

Spoiler:

Psionic abilities
Empathy
Advanced telekinesis
Telepathy
Thought projection
Spiritual powers
Astral projection
Mediumship
Soul-sealing
Magic powers
Spell-casting
Incredible knowledge of mystical artifacts, charms and spellbooks
Dark magic
Light magic
Telekinetic spells
Pseudo-Intangibility
Elemental magic spells
Necromancy
Postcognition
Freezing time (Birthmark)

Ooooooh right! All of that! I don't think Goku insta kills someone who can freeze time. Or seal his soul away, Or straight up mind control him, Or just telekineticly take controller of his body and play the cruelest game of 'stop hitting yourself' ever. Raven is bonkers powerful, not many really know this but she is the most powerful member of the Teen Titans, After the Trigon event? She got even stronger! Goku would never be able to touch Raven, let alone beat her.

EDIT: Changed some stuff up and added quote, made it sound less angry and fanboyish. My bad.

What use is that when Goku punches her head off before she can say 'Azarath'? The speed and strength gulf between them is massive. Raven never even displayed sonic speeds yet 23rd BT Goku would run circles around guys like Tao who's mach 15. Raven literally doesn't see him coming. She's still nowhere near as powerful as her white form, who I admit would stomp Goku.

Ok, point 1, she doesn't need to say the words everytime she does anything. She has displayed that she can use her magic without them, she even stated this in the episode her and Starfire switch bodies. The incantation is just to help her focus for much lager spells.

Point 2, note one of Raven's powers please, Pseudo-Intangibility. This ties into the whole 'Goku can't touch her' thing. She can make herself almost ghost like for brief moments.

Point 3, Yes I know they say they're running around at mach speeds and all but they aren't...they really aren't. Cause if they were then everytime they start moving there would be a sonic boom, Mach 1...MACH 1 is breaking the sound barrier. To put this into a tighter frame, the fastest Jet from OG Macross could only go Mach 8, That scene in Gundam Wing Endless Waltz where Deathscythe runs the length of a city in almost in instant? He is going Mach 1. Goku is not going Mach 20, that would tear his limbs from G force alone. The dialogue is just fluff to make it sound cool.

Point 4, That speed means nothing when Raven is out of reach, which she regularly puts herself at. She is incredibly smart and puts herself at safe distances.

Point 5, You seem very adamant to set Goku up here as an unstoppable killing god who can't be beat when he is nothing like that, not only that you don't really give any counter argument other then 'he is mach X' or 'well cause of this'. I gave a full list of Raven's powers and a quarter of them alone lock Goku out from winning. So yeah, I'm done here. Have a nice day.

[In Brightest Day]

- Spiderman hits a brick wall at the King Piccolo

He hits that wall long before Piccolo. Peter would have no way of dealing with the level of speed showcased at the 21st Budokai.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Yakon vs. base Kid Gohan

[The Monkey King]

Ok, point 1, she doesn't need to say the words everytime she does anything. She has displayed that she can use her magic without them, she even stated this in the episode her and Starfire switch bodies. The incantation is just to help her focus for much lager spells.

She'll be needing those larger spells if she wants to stand any kind of chance against Goku.

Point 2, note one of Raven's powers please, Pseudo-Intangibility. This ties into the whole 'Goku can't touch her' thing. She can make herself almost ghost like for brief moments.

Goku simply kills her before or after she does so.
Also all of these abilities never helped her against all the street level enemies who gave her a hard time, who Goku would kill in an instant.

Point 3, Yes I know they say they're running around at mach speeds and all but they aren't...they really aren't. Cause if they were then everytime they start moving there would be a sonic boom, Mach 1...MACH 1 is breaking the sound barrier. To put this into a tighter frame, the fastest Jet from OG Macross could only go Mach 8, That scene in Gundam Wing Endless Waltz where Deathscythe runs the length of a city in almost in instant? He is going Mach 1. Goku is not going Mach 20, that would tear his limbs from G force alone. The dialogue is just fluff to make it sound cool.

Toriyama clearly portrayed his characters as hypersonic with stated times and distances.

Spoiler:

Context: before Tao Pai Pai takes off for the Karin Holy Land
Tao Pai Pai: 'It's 2,300 kilometers northeast, huh?...Well then, I'll be back in about 30 minutes.'
Note: So in other words, Tao Pai Pai says he can throw a pillar 2,300 kilometers, jump on it and ride it all the way there, beat Goku, then come all the way back in about 30 minutes.

Tao said he'd be there and back in 30 minutes.

At the maximum this means one 2300km trip would take him 15 minutes.

Which means Tao threw the pillar at a speed of 9200km an hour = 5717miles an hour = mach 7.5

Since Tao threw the pillar then casually jumped to catch up with it this makes Tao mach 15+

Spoiler:

He's simply too lazy to draw the sonic booms. Or are you really going to tell me that Gotenks who made several laps around the Earth in minutes if not seconds isn't even mach 1 because there were no sonic booms?
DB characters have been dodging machine gun fire since part 1.
Also DB (obviously) doesn't follow science 100%. This is the same series with 'infinite energy generators'

Point 4, That speed means nothing when Raven is out of reach, which she regularly puts herself at. She is incredibly smart and puts herself at safe distances.

Goku closes the gap before she can react and punches her, which ends the fight.

Point 5, You seem very adamant to set Goku up here as an unstoppable killing god who can't be beat when he is nothing like that, not only that you don't really give any counter argument other then 'he is mach X' or 'well cause of this'. I gave a full list of Raven's powers and a quarter of them alone lock Goku out from winning. So yeah, I'm done here. Have a nice day.

Lol what? I clearly admitted that White Raven would stomp Goku.
Anyway concession accepted Goku still stomps casually.

[In Brightest Day]

Android arc Son Gohan vs. Base Son Goten (pre-ROSAT).

Yakon vs. base Kid Gohan

From the Android arc or the Cell Games? If it's the former, he gets stomped. Cell Games Gohan puts up a decent fight but still loses.

[Hellspawn28]

I don't see Spider-Man beating Tao since Tao is strong enough to throw a stone pillar across the Planet. Tao in 616 Marvel would be stronger then characters like Captain America, Spider-Man, Wolverine and Venom but lose to stronger characters like Iron Man and Namor in my opinion.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Android arc Son Gohan vs. Base Son Goten (pre-ROSAT).

Goten tries to lose and still wins. The gap is too massive.

[DBZAOTA482]

Android arc Son Gohan vs. Base Son Goten (pre-ROSAT).

Goten wins with slight effort.

[Kaboom]

Chi Chi (23rd Tenkaichi Budokai) vs. Mr. Satan (In his prime)
SSJ Goku (End of Broly movie #1) vs Perfect Cell (Full-power)
SSJ2 Gohan (Cell saga) vs SSJ2 Vegeta (Buu saga, but not Majin)
Master Roshi (23rd Tenkaichi Budokai) vs Cyborg Tao (23rd Tenkaichi Budokai)
Janemba (baby form) vs Hirudegarn
Super 13 vs Android 17 and Android 18

— Chi-Chi has to try really, really hard to NOT kill Mr. Satan when she KO's him by poking him on the forehead with one finger.
— You mean when he had the power gathered up and finally actually dealt semi-fatal damage to Broli? Well since I consider said Broli and full power Cell to be series-to-movie equivalents in power, Goku is stronger than Cell too. But unlike Broli, Cell can regenerate. So I don't know if Goku can finish Cell off in the short time he can hold onto the power. I'm'a call this one a 50/50 just because of that.
— Gohan has a bit of a power advantage, but Vegeta's a bit more skilled and tough. I'm going to say Gohan wins like 3/5 times.
— Roshi didn't participate in the 23rd tournament, but by the 22nd he was already outclassed by Goku and Tenshinhan. I'm thinking Tao's probably too much for him now too.
— Putting aside their unpredictable crazy moves and judging by strength alone... Fatty Janemba can't beat either form of Hirudegarn. But once he transforms, he cleans house.
— Officially 16 is labeled the strongest of the Androids, which presumably would make him stronger than Super 13 as well. I'm thinking the power difference between either of them and the twins isn't so big that 17 and 18 couldn't at least have a shot at taking down Super 13 by working together. I'll say Super 13 wins 2/3 times.

Pan (End of Z) vs. base Vegeta (Buu arc - pre-Majin)

Since Vegeta doesn't want to upset the much stronger-than-him Gohan, much less Bulma or Chi-Chi or Pan, he's very, very careful about KO'ing Pan with a single gentle blow.

Kid Vegeta vs Post-King Kai Goku (No kaioken)

Similar in power, I think, but I'm betting the adult Goku with 20 years of experience under his belt will have an edge over Vegeta as a 5-year-old li'l kid.

Dabura vs Bojack
Freeza 100% vs Cooler Fifth Form
Android 16 vs Super Android 13

— It's a close fight, until Bojack bulks up. Then it becomes a one-sided slaughter.
— Super Coola has an edge in power, skill, and stamina. He wins pretty easily.
— See my previous response about Android power comparisons above. 16 takes this one.

Every character in DB history is lowered to the same level. Who, based on skills, abilities, ect., would win?

Goku. :trollface.meme.jpg:

Spiderman(Earth 616. Mainstream Comic book Spiderman) vs Dragonball part 1. Where do he stops?
Superior Spiderman DB gaulet. Where do he stops?
Teen Titans(TV show) vs 23rd Budokai Goku

— Peter makes it farther than you'd expect, I think. Even if he's outclassed in raw strength, he's a resourceful genius, and his spider-sense will let him avoid fatal blows. He's not going to beat anyone who can blow up cities, though.
— Not really any different from Peter. In fact, Otto's cockiness might even cause him to lose earlier.
— I guess Goku might have some trouble with Raven because of magic, but otherwise he demolishes them pretty easily.

SSJ Kid Goku (King Piccolo fight) vs Goku (Saiyan arc)

Let's see... Goku's PL of 260 against Piccolo, made 50 times stronger through Super Saiyan comes out to 13,000. So Goku's pretty soundly beating his 8,000 Saiyan arc self (assuming there's no Kaio-Ken).

Yakon vs. base Kid Gohan

He's a little outclassed in power, and unlike Goku, he's probably not quite clever enough to make up for it.

Android arc Son Gohan vs. Base Son Goten (pre-ROSAT).

Goten's gotta have a power in the tens of millions at least, and Android-arc Gohan... does not. Even despite a big gap in skill, Gohan's got no way to win this one.

[dbzfan7]

Android arc Son Gohan vs. Base Son Goten (pre-ROSAT).

Goten wins easily.

[Bullza]

Spiderman(Earth 616. Mainstream Comic book Spiderman) vs Dragonball part 1. Where do he stops?

He could possibly beat Tao but that'd be as high as he goes.

His intelligence would allow him to beat characters far stronger than him as he does all the time.

[Dyno]

Optimus Prime (G1 continuity) vs Piccolo Daimaoh.

[In Brightest Day]

- Avo and Kado vs. 1st form Freeza and Vegeta (vs. 1st form Freeza).
- Kibitoshin vs. South Supreme Kai.
- Monster Zarbon vs. Krillin and Son Gohan (vs. Ginyu-Goku).

Strongest character Tapion could beat?

[SSJ God Gogeta]

Optimus Prime (G1 continuity) vs Piccolo Daimaoh.

Prime

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

- Avo and Kado vs. 1st form Freeza and Vegeta (vs. 1st form Freeza).
- Kibitoshin vs. South Supreme Kai.
- Monster Zarbon vs. Krillin and Son Gohan (vs. Ginyu-Goku).

Strongest character Tapion could beat?

- I'm not sure. I think it makes more sense for them to be in the 100% Freeza range than 1st form Freeza range, I mean, they didn't die in a single hit from Goten and Trunks... I'll come back to it.

- Kibitoshin.

- base Vegeta (post-1st day RoSaT)

[Diotor]

Spiderman(Earth 616. Mainstream Comic book Spiderman) vs Dragonball part 1. Where do he stops?

He could possibly beat Tao but that'd be as high as he goes.

His intelligence would allow him to beat characters far stronger than him as he does all the time.

I don't think he'd get anywhere near Tao. Tao is stronger, faster and more skilled than him. Spiderman would probably struggle to beat Mechanical Man #8.

[Dyno]

Megatron (Live-action continuity) vs Vegeta (Saiyan saga)