"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[ekrolo2]

Christ, this arc really is a rancid piece of shit no matter which version of it you partake in.

The anime tries to be cool and it fucking fails at anything resembling logic. The manga version tries to make sense of everything but it's so forgettable and unremarkable on every level I can barely remember it.

[Kanassa]

I have no problem with the upbeat ending in the manga. The manga doesn't try to make you give a damn about the future timeline, so why should it act like the future timeline getting erase is a somber and dark moment?

[The gr]

Christ, this arc really is a rancid piece of shit no matter which version of it you partake in.

The anime tries to be cool and it fucking fails at anything resembling logic. The manga version tries to make sense of everything but it's so forgettable and unremarkable on every level I can barely remember it.

sorry but the manga stop being logical since they trow ssg Vegeta or mastered ssb in the mix

[Doctor.]

I have no problem with the upbeat ending in the manga. The manga doesn't try to make you give a damn about the future timeline, so why should it act like the future timeline getting erase is a somber and dark moment?

Because... it is? Twelve universes are getting erased, the soul of future Bulma and future Gohan are getting erased, characters we're actually supposed to like.

[ekrolo2]

Christ, this arc really is a rancid piece of shit no matter which version of it you partake in.

The anime tries to be cool and it fucking fails at anything resembling logic. The manga version tries to make sense of everything but it's so forgettable and unremarkable on every level I can barely remember it.

sorry but the manga stop being logical since they trow ssg Vegeta or mastered ssb in the mix

Which is still considerably more logical then the anime where NOTHING makes sense. That thing is literally the epitome of "rule of cool".

[TheMikado]

Christ, this arc really is a rancid piece of shit no matter which version of it you partake in.

The anime tries to be cool and it fucking fails at anything resembling logic. The manga version tries to make sense of everything but it's so forgettable and unremarkable on every level I can barely remember it.

sorry but the manga stop being logical since they trow ssg Vegeta or mastered ssb in the mix

Which is still considerably more logical then the anime where NOTHING makes sense. That thing is literally the epitome of "rule of cool".

Exactly at least we FINALLY got confirmation that SAG precedes SSB rather than STILL to this F'in day trying to figure out what SSB is and let's not even start on trying to figure out what SSR is. At least in the manga we know it's the equivalent of SSB and not SSJ. The anime couldn't even bother explaining the lore it created and presented to us.

[The gr]

Which is still considerably more logical then the anime where NOTHING makes sense. That thing is literally the epitome of "rule of cool".

I still find mssb ridiculous

Well they were a couple of things in the Anime that made sense, like um, that one scene were oh wait that didn't made sense or that moment where, wait,holy cow nothing in this arc make sense

[Doctor.]

Which is still considerably more logical then the anime where NOTHING makes sense. That thing is literally the epitome of "rule of cool".

Well they were a couple of things in the Anime that made sense, like um, that one scene were oh wait that didn't made sense,holy cow nothing in this arc made sense,I still think Mssb is ridiculous

Even if the manga actually provides an explanation, I still think universal Zamasu makes more sense than the Zamasu clones. They're still both stupid, but the fault is on Toriyama.

[ekrolo2]

Which is still considerably more logical then the anime where NOTHING makes sense. That thing is literally the epitome of "rule of cool".

Well they were a couple of things in the Anime that made sense, like um, that one scene were oh wait that didn't made sense,holy cow nothing in this arc made sense,I still think Mssb is ridiculous

Mastered SSB only annoys me because they never ever talk about ki leaking ever in the manga AND the fact Toyotaro is probably gonna do the concept better then the anime where "Aura's are shit guys!" and then they keep effing using them!

That's like if in the Android arc they talk about Grade 3 being shit because of speed and energy but have Future Trunks rofl stomp max power Cell with it.

Which is still considerably more logical then the anime where NOTHING makes sense. That thing is literally the epitome of "rule of cool".

Well they were a couple of things in the Anime that made sense, like um, that one scene were oh wait that didn't made sense,holy cow nothing in this arc made sense,I still think Mssb is ridiculous

Even if the manga actually provides an explanation, I still think universal Zamasu makes more sense than the Zamasu clones. They're still both stupid, but the fault is on Toriyama.

I can't make sense of universal Zamasu. If he was just a malevolent ghost or something I could buy it but him becoming some elemental force of nature is killing my brain cells just thinking about it.

[The gr]

Which is still considerably more logical then the anime where NOTHING makes sense. That thing is literally the epitome of "rule of cool".

Well they were a couple of things in the Anime that made sense, like um, that one scene were oh wait that didn't made sense,holy cow nothing in this arc made sense,I still think Mssb is ridiculous

Even if the manga actually provides an explanation, I still think universal Zamasu makes more sense than the Zamasu clones. They're still both stupid, but the fault is on Toriyama.

Ugh mz clones is also stupid,I think this is Tori New way of writing coolness over logic

[Noah]

The anime tries to be cool and it fucking fails at anything resembling logic. The manga version tries to make sense of everything but it's so forgettable and unremarkable on every level I can barely remember it.

If we put those two in a blender, would come out something good of the mix?

[ekrolo2]

The anime tries to be cool and it fucking fails at anything resembling logic. The manga version tries to make sense of everything but it's so forgettable and unremarkable on every level I can barely remember it.

If we put those two in a blender, would come out something good of the mix?

Actually yeah, on principle the anime is good at wanting to make Trunks an active participant but it's execution has a contempt for logic I've not seen before. The manga trying to make its stuff work to the best of its ability being combined with this principle would probably yield, at least, a decent end result.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

Which is still considerably more logical then the anime where NOTHING makes sense. That thing is literally the epitome of "rule of cool".

Well they were a couple of things in the Anime that made sense, like um, that one scene were oh wait that didn't made sense,holy cow nothing in this arc made sense,I still think Mssb is ridiculous

Even if the manga actually provides an explanation, I still think universal Zamasu makes more sense than the Zamasu clones. They're still both stupid, but the fault is on Toriyama.

Out of curiosity, what's wrong with the clones? I mean, aside from feeling like we've been there and done that, it makes sense to me that if Zamasu was cut or blown apart beyond any hope of rejoining, the immortal pieces would regenerate independently. The only question is "Why didn't the same thing happen back when Vegetto cut his hands off?" There are plenty of things that aren't clear, but I see no problems with the clones. Likewise with cloud Zamasu, it makes sense that without a body for his soul to bind to, his soul could expand infinitely.

Edit: It just struck me that you might be referring to the point last chapter where the two Merged Zamasu's came about even after the Potara magic wore off. If that's what you're talking about, I agree that the whole thing is basically bullshit. "Merging on a cellular level cuz they're the same person" is incredibly weak given that they've deviated from one another quite a bit, physically if nothing else. That whole thing would've worked better if Toyotaro had exempted Zamasu from the time limit like the anime. Though I get what he was going for, it really hurt the progression towards the climax.

[Doctor.]

Out of curiosity, what's wrong with the clones?

Zamasu had already defused. How does one consciousness become a million consciousnesses? Moreover, why are they in the Merged Zamasu form when Black and Zamasu were already separate?

I feel like the world "asspull" just replaces any kind of constructive criticism one can make, but I do feel like it applies here. It reminds me of that whole ordeal with Cell blowing himself up and a) surviving the attack, b) returning in his Perfect form, c) having a power-up from near-death that conveniently puts him at Gohan's level even though those power-ups have been obsolete since the start of the arc, d) learning Instant Transmission. Too much shit thrown at us in a small timeframe.

[quote="Jinzoningen" MULE"]it makes sense to me that if Zamasu was cut or blown apart beyond any hope of rejoining, the immortal pieces would regenerate independently.[/quote]

But that's not what happened. That happened when Vegeta used his Gamma Burst attack, creating, at best, a dozen Zamasu clones, but in this chapter we see a million Zamasus. Goku and Vegeta were straight out of energy, they couldn't have done that kind of damage off-screen to create so many Zamasus.

Also, even Majin Boo's pieces never regenerated independently in the manga if I remember correctly, that was an anime-only thing.

[TobyS]

So the "unseen timeline" has been retconned out, as we can tell from the number of time rings in the box in this chapter.

It's weird though because I thought it "had" to exist logically....

(also whipped this up https://app.box.com/s/yw4zx20jk54ffbpo2j08jpv2d35993g1)

[Jinzoningen MULE]

Out of curiosity, what's wrong with the clones?

Zamasu had already defused. How does one consciousness become a million consciousnesses? Moreover, why are they in the Merged Zamasu form when Black and Zamasu were already separate?

[quote="Jinzoningen" MULE"]it makes sense to me that if Zamasu was cut or blown apart beyond any hope of rejoining, the immortal pieces would regenerate independently.

But that's not what happened. That happened when Vegeta used his Gamma Burst attack, creating, at best, a dozen Zamasu clones, but in this chapter we see a million Zamasus. Goku and Vegeta were straight out of energy, they couldn't have done that kind of damage off-screen to create so many Zamasus.[/quote]
I had forgotten about that, and responded to it in my edit, but basically, I agree that, while it did give a fairly coherent explanation upon re-reading, it was still basically utter nonsense with no precedent.

Also, even Majin Boo's pieces never regenerated independently in the manga if I remember correctly, that was an anime-only thing.

Even so, it's plausible as a method by which a single, immortal being could reproduce. Zamasu isn't Boo, after all, it's fair to assume that his power wouldn't work in the same way.

[HeroR]

I have no problem with the upbeat ending in the manga. The manga doesn't try to make you give a damn about the future timeline, so why should it act like the future timeline getting erase is a somber and dark moment?

Cold, but I agree. The manga made me not give a shit about anyone so no point pretending that anyone else does.

[Freeza9000]

I have no problem with the upbeat ending in the manga. The manga doesn't try to make you give a damn about the future timeline, so why should it act like the future timeline getting erase is a somber and dark moment?

Cold, but I agree. The manga made me not give a shit about anyone so no point pretending that anyone else does.

At least the anime version of this arc focused on other background characters like the Resistance and Maki/Haru (with how they interact with Trunks and Mai), y' know background characters that you usually don't give a shit about but this arc did as they carried emotional weight to the story. The anime actually succeeded in making me care for these characters. The manga though, everyone on the Earth except Trunks/Mai are already killed by Black and they weren't even in the manga. There's none of that emotional investment.

[dbzfan7]

I have no problem with the upbeat ending in the manga. The manga doesn't try to make you give a damn about the future timeline, so why should it act like the future timeline getting erase is a somber and dark moment?

Cold, but I agree. The manga made me not give a shit about anyone so no point pretending that anyone else does.

At least the anime version of this arc focused on other background characters like the Resistance and Maki/Haru (with how they interact with Trunks and Mai), y' know background characters that you usually don't give a shit about but this arc did as they carried emotional weight to the story. The anime actually succeeded in making me care for these characters. The manga though, everyone on the Earth except Trunks/Mai are already killed by Black and they weren't even in the manga. There's none of that emotional investment.

To be fair, I doubt most people even remember who those two kids are. They're just sorta...there for a bit. Even less likely they'd remember their names. I sure didn't. I just barely remember them as...those kids I didn't care about seeing.

[Freeza9000]

Cold, but I agree. The manga made me not give a shit about anyone so no point pretending that anyone else does.

At least the anime version of this arc focused on other background characters like the Resistance and Maki/Haru (with how they interact with Trunks and Mai), y' know background characters that you usually don't give a shit about but this arc did as they carried emotional weight to the story. The anime actually succeeded in making me care for these characters. The manga though, everyone on the Earth except Trunks/Mai are already killed by Black and they weren't even in the manga. There's none of that emotional investment.

To be fair, I doubt most people even remember who those two kids are. They're just sorta...there for a bit. Even less likely they'd remember their names. I sure didn't. I just barely remember them as...those kids I didn't care about seeing.

What made me actually care for those kids was how they interact with our main characters especially Trunks and Mai and how they (not just the kids, but the survivors as well) devoted they are to Trunks/Mai's cause to save their world. It was a genuinely touching moment when Haru/Maki came to Mai's comfort whenever she felt stressed implying that Mai and the Resistance saved those orphans even looking up to Trunks/Mai as their older sisters/brothers. They may be random civilians, I'd say they received pretty good character development.