Discussion, generally of an in-universe nature, regarding any aspect of the franchise (including movies, spin-offs, etc.) such as: techniques, character relationships, internal back-history, its universe, and more.
Vegeta without armor (Post-Recoome senzu zenkai) VS SSJ Bardock (Episode of Bardock) with Future Trunk's sword
Super Perfect Cell VS Manga SSJ Pre-Teen Future Trunks (the version sparring with Base Gohan) & Manga Base Future Gohan (when he had two arms) Fusion Dance
Android 14 VS SSJ Future Gohan (when he had two arms)
Lord Slug VS Base Future Trunks (first appearance in the main timeline)
Movie 10 SSJ Broly VS GT Shadow Dragons Saga SSJ Trunks with sword
Pre-ROSAT 25th WMAT bloodlusted SSJ Goten and Trunks VS Dabura (no spitting)
Android 17 VS Yakon
Great Ape Tullece (post-2nd Fruit) VS Kibito (no tail cutting/grabbing)
Salza VS Pui Pui
Post-ROSAT Base Gotenks VS Kibito Kai (no magic materialization/paralysis)
Trunks loses cuz he's a wimp.... and not Goku.
Yakon can't steal energy from Lapis so Lapis stomps.
Kibito
Salza makes Pui Pui into cooked duck.
Gotenks
fadeddreams5 wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
jjgp1112 wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am
I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.
I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.
Angelus wrote:Piccolo gets stopped at 3. He's not that powerful compared to the Saiyans and he would have lost a lot of power fighting 1 and 2.
This. :P
fadeddreams5 wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
jjgp1112 wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am
I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.
I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.
fadeddreams5 wrote:SSJ Gotenks (Post-ROSAT) vs. SSJ3 Goku (Kid Buu saga)
SSJ Gotenks dominates SSJ3 Goku
Angelus wrote:Movie 10 SSJ Broly VS GT Shadow Dragons Saga SSJ Trunks with sword
Pre-ROSAT 25th WMAT bloodlusted SSJ Goten and Trunks VS Dabura (no spitting)
Android 17 VS Yakon
Great Ape Tullece (post-2nd Fruit) VS Kibito (no tail cutting/grabbing)
Salza VS Pui Pui
Post-ROSAT Base Gotenks VS Kibito Kai (no magic materialization/paralysis)
- Broly takes this
- Dabura stomps both Goten and Trunks
- #17 on shots Yakon
- Kibito wreck Turles
- Salza tears Pui Pui a new one
SSJ2FutureGohan wrote:End of Z Piccolo runs a gauntlet!
1. 50% MSSJ Goku (Cell Games)
2. SSJ Grade 3 Trunks (1st day RoSaT) (speed is a non factor)
3. SSJ pre-Majin Vegeta
4. MSSJ Kid Gohan (Cell Games)
5. SSJ2 Teen Gohan (Buu arc)
6. SSJ2 Majin Vegeta
7. Good Buu
8. EoZ Pan
9. Pure Evil Buu
10. SSJ2 post-Zeta sword Gohan
Piccolo hit a brick wall at SSJ pre-Majin Vegeta. He never reach SSJ2 level tier power by EOZ.
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
fadeddreams5 wrote:SSJ Gotenks (Post-ROSAT) vs. SSJ3 Goku (Kid Buu saga)
Gotenks power downs to base and one-shots.
Nope. If Gotenks powers down to his base form, SSJ3 Goku one shots.
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
SSJ2FutureGohan wrote:Base Gotenks (post) > SSJ Gotenks (pre) >= SSJ3 Goku > Base Gotenks pre
No, it's more: SSJ Gotenks (Pre ROSAT) > SSJ3 Goku > Base Gotenks (Post ROSAT) > Base Gotenks (Pre ROSAT)
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
Lord Beerus wrote:No, it's more: SSJ Gotenks (Pre ROSAT) > SSJ3 Goku > Base Gotenks (Post ROSAT) > Base Gotenks (Pre ROSAT)
SSJ Gotenks (pre-RoSaT) Chapter: 487 (DBZ 293), P13.5 Context: as Piccolo plans on having Goten and Trunks train in the Room of Spirit and Time Piccolo: “Can’t you tell…?! As they are now, even if they perform Fusion they can’t win, no doubt about it…! Tell them that if they don’t want to die while they’re still just little brats, then they should train as much as they can…!”
Base Gotenks (post-RoSaT) Chapter: 489 (DBZ 295), P3.5 Context: Trunks doesn’t like the idea of fighting Boo as a Super Saiyan 3 from the start Trunks: “I think…that we’ve already progressed so much that even in a regular state Fusion, we’ll be about equal with Majin Boo...”
Chapter: 489 (DBZ 295), P11.5 Context: seeing Gotenks after he’d trained in the Room of Spirit and Time Piccolo: “He-he really is different…! He really has greatly powered up…! Th-this just might…!”
SSJ2FutureGohan wrote:Chapter: 489 (DBZ 295), P11.5 Context: seeing Gotenks after he’d trained in the Room of Spirit and Time Piccolo: “He-he really is different…! He really has greatly powered up…! Th-this just might…!”[/color]
When someone tells you, "Don't present your opinion as fact," what they're actually saying is, "Don't present your opinion with any conviction. Because I don't like your opinion, and I want to be able to dismiss it as easily as possible." Don't fall for it.
How the Black Arc Should End (by Lightbing!):
Spoiler:
Absolute Zamasu(my name for their fusion) wins. He fulfils his utopia and dwells in his loneliness(x amount of time for this to happen). He starts to doubt of his achievements, Goku's body influences him to seek out challenges but there's nothing. Perfection becomes a curse. Absolute Zamasu starts to dread his existence and presents himself to the Omni-King, detailing on his actions.
Using his powers the Omni-King restores everything to the moment before Goku and Vegeta perish, humanity's last barrier. Zamasu concedes. He ask for forgiveness(mainly to Goku, Gowasu and Trunks) and understands that his justice isn't justice at all. He asks for judgement and the Omni-King delivers.
Trunks is forced never to travel in time ever again, all the time-machines are destroyed.
