Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

[dbzfan7]

Who would have thought that the exclusion of two characters from a DBZ movie would create such a stir.

If green eyes Sonic and Gohan's hair could spark controversy, so can this .

I can't help but feel there's something wrong with that translation. I just cannot believe they didn't even bother telling Goten and Trunks to stay back. Of course they must be able to sense that energy. Again, why I don't like making assumptions based off the manga. It's excluding a lot of details.

Which is why I hope they are given the task of protecting their families off screen. That way they are actually being said to do something, and we get more screen time for Roshi and the others to finally shine again.

[MrKaytos]

By the way, in Dragon Ball Dream Facebook we have created this graphic regarding Canon and Fukkatsu no F. What do you think? We have added question marks to the facts that may not be considered Canon. Thanks to @Eduhern for designing this graphic.

[Lord Beerus]

By the way, in Dragon Ball Dream Facebook we have created this graphic regarding Canon and Fukkatsu no F. What do you think? We have added question marks to the facts that may not be considered Canon. Thanks to @Eduhern for designing this graphic.

That's actually really cool.

But this ain't really the right thread for this.

[Dyno]

If the Vegeta was blown up in Age 739, as many here say... Then Bardock actually went to Age -261.

But I like the timeline, it should be in the next official guide the same as represented here.

[snaku]

... People are asking *whose* poop Whis stepped in. Non-ironically.

That alone should illustrate the dangers of wanting an explanation for every single thing. What have we become?

I'm normally good at disregarding public consensus and simply talking about the news as we get it. But so loud and ceaseless is the outcry against this movie that I just can't talk about anything else. Complaints are fine, but this is just... I dunno what this is. The other Dragon Ball movies should thank their lucky stars that they didn't come out during the internet generation. They'd have been torn to pieces.

The more I think about it, I'm fine with Goten and Trunks being told to stay home. ChiChi allowing Gohan to fight the Artificial Humans was a one-time thing. It'd be weird for these characters to be saying "Okay, whose battle power is currently at its highest?" No, they're not thinking about that. The adults are going to go investigate and the kids are going to be told to stay home. It makes perfect sense.

What happens after that (and whether or not the kids decide to stay put) is still uncertain.

Seriously, this fan base is the reason why midichlorians are a thing.

I'm glad Gotenks and Buu won't be involved in this story. They're ridiculous, and mostly useless, comic relief gag remnants of a time when Toriyama didn't give a crap about the story he was telling. They have no place in this story thematically or logically.

[TheGmGoken]

If Vegeta woke up from sensing Freeza. I'm sure the kids would wake up for sense Freeza new power.

They don't know who Freeza is really. Vegeta knows Freeza and his ki very well, enough that it could startle him.

Here's the thing I said new power. A gigantic ki should wake them unless Freeza has god ki.

Can't they sense Freeza's army approaching? I'm sure two extra hands can't help. Also what's the purpose of Pilfar Gang being in the movie? Comic Relief correct? For all we know their personality could be same but different. And your opinion that it's"old" act . The duo is fucking awesome. And yes they was introduced in the final arc. So what? Beerus and Whis wasn't even in an arc and Beerus grew stale after 25 minutes. What's the purpose of Rosin again? You said nostalgia? Every DB character is nostalgic these days. Goten and Trunks in your opinion shouldn't be in the movie...because....? You don't like them or..what! Sounds like you just say toss them aside and pretend they're not there when they actually are. Sorta like that episode of Sponge Bob when everyone ignored the Sponge.

Even if they do sense the army, I don't think they believe it's that big of a deal. Remember, one of the big sticking points in this thread has been about how those numbers shouldn't matter considering the huge power gap, but something happens that ends up with the heroes overwhelmed. I think a big problem for the gang is that they completely underestimate Freeza's new strength, as well as the strength of this army.

As far as Beerus and Whis growing stale... eh, popular opinion swings opposite on that one, but I won't argue that point personally. If you didn't like those characters, that's fine. Personally, I love them both, and am happy to see them return. Goten and Trunks are cute, but I personally just don't see them adding much to the movie. Also not sure exactly why you even bring up the Pilaf gang, as they're apparently barely in the movie past that small scene where they begrudgingly aiding in Freeza's revival.

Roshi is unbelievably nostalgic. We haven't seen buff Roshi in action since early Dragonball. This is kind of awesome, I think.

Lastly, I never said they shouldn't be in the movie. I just don't particularly see why they need to be.

Going to reply in reverse order. I don't see why Ten and Roshi are needed in the movie. But they are. No one said they are needed. But for me it's a MAJOR lost. You lose many potential cool moments without them. You could have done so much with them. So muuch. More so than Ten and Roshi Imo. We saw buff Roshi in Path to Power and Broly movie. Unless you mean in the actual series. Then fair ball game.

I bring up Pilfar gang because Goten and Trunks could protect them. As another story plot. But it's a shame that the gang might get more screen time than Gotenks. I dont like Beerus. Whis is cool Lol. I just think Beerus was something we already seen. Goten and Trunks brings lots to the table easily. As said earlier you can do so much.

- Gags with Gotenks
- New Design
- Interaction with Freeza
- Interaction with Pilfar
- Interaction with Girls
- Learning to grow up
- Learning to always be ready

And so much more! It's quite sad that these two might be missing. Just sad honestly. The half ass excuse the manga gave us made it even worst.Trust and believe had Goten and Trunks was in the movie FULL time not cameos... it would have been an awesome showing from the duo. Truly the most underrated characters ever.

... People are asking *whose* poop Whis stepped in. Non-ironically.

That alone should illustrate the dangers of wanting an explanation for every single thing. What have we become?

It was a joke. I couldn't care less. I just poking fun at the idea of Beerus being the one taking a shit and leaving it.

They have no place in this story thematically or logically.

Care to explain?

[SSJGFrieza]

... People are asking *whose* poop Whis stepped in. Non-ironically.

That alone should illustrate the dangers of wanting an explanation for every single thing. What have we become?

I'm normally good at disregarding public consensus and simply talking about the news as we get it. But so loud and ceaseless is the outcry against this movie that I just can't talk about anything else. Complaints are fine, but this is just... I dunno what this is. The other Dragon Ball movies should thank their lucky stars that they didn't come out during the internet generation. They'd have been torn to pieces.

The more I think about it, I'm fine with Goten and Trunks being told to stay home. ChiChi allowing Gohan to fight the Artificial Humans was a one-time thing. It'd be weird for these characters to be saying "Okay, whose battle power is currently at its highest?" No, they're not thinking about that. The adults are going to go investigate and the kids are going to be told to stay home. It makes perfect sense.

What happens after that (and whether or not the kids decide to stay put) is still uncertain.

Seriously, this fan base is the reason why midichlorians are a thing.

I'm glad Gotenks and Buu won't be involved in this story. They're ridiculous, and mostly useless, comic relief gag remnants of a time when Toriyama didn't give a crap about the story he was telling. They have no place in this story thematically or logically.

You must be a Z fan who thinks DB should dark and edgy all the time.

And that timeline is crap, that abomination known as Episode of Bardock never happened.

[Herms]

If the Vegeta was blown up in Age 739, as many here say... Then Bardock actually went to Age -261.

The idea is that if Bardock was the Super Saiyan prior to Goku, then Episode of Bardock should take place 1,000 years before Goku becomes a Super Saiyan on Namek in Age 762. So 762-1,000=-268...in other words, 268 years before the start of DB's Age calendar ("Before Age", you could say). The year Planet Vegeta was destroyed shouldn't be a factor.

(This probably is off-topic, but I can never resist rambling on about time lines).

[Dbzk1999]

Quick Question:
So from the way whis describes it, can Beerus casually destroy suns?

[Suupaa Gohan 2]

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[Dyno]

The idea is that if Bardock was the Super Saiyan prior to Goku, then Episode of Bardock should take place 1,000 years before Goku becomes a Super Saiyan on Namek in Age 762. So 762-1,000=-268...in other words, 268 years before the start of DB's Age calendar ("Before Age", you could say). The year Planet Vegeta was destroyed shouldn't be a factor.

(This probably is off-topic, but I can never resist rambling on about time lines).

I don't think it should be exactly one thousand years before the newest one, unless it was mentioned and I didn't know. "Around 1,000" is acceptable, I think.

Yeah, I can never resist when the subject is timelines. We share this.

[Big Momma]

^Please don't start this "Sun-busting" nonsense. He's the God of Destruction. It should go with out saying that he is able to destroy a lot of things.

If you're talking about the "final" blow, that was Goku. After Gotenks got cocky and was nearly caught off guard by a blast, which he deflected and almost blew the gang up.

They spend a lot of their time trying to look cool and come up with attack names. Even unfused they didn't really take Piccolo's training seriously the entire time.

No...I'm talking about Gotenks punching the guy to the water. And that scene was gag(throwing the attack to the gang).

Yeah, and then he got right back out. And the entire scene with him shooting the blast and it being deflected to nearly hit the gang isn't the gag. The gag is the part at the end when Gotenks laughs it off. After that Goku and Vegeta (specifically Goku) stepped in and finished the fight.

Let's see over confidence? You mean like Vegeta, Ten, Yamcha, and Gohan have shown. Gotenks fucked up. So did their the people I mentioned. What's the difference. Why are they given a pass? They took Piccolo training seriously after Chi Chi died.

I definitely don't see what you're saying with Ten, Yamcha, or even Gohan being overconfident as they are at this point. I'm not saying that I think Goten and Trunks shouldn't have been included. I'm saying it makes sense to me why Bulma had them stay back for the reasons I mentioned. Vegeta, Ten, Yamcha, and Gohan are adults. They make their own decisions (Accept for Yamcha, apparently...which I am curious about how Ten was able to tell him what to do... )

[Lord Beerus]

Quick Question:
So from the way whis describes it, can Beerus casually destroy suns?

Pretty much. I mean Beerus was touted as a Galaxy-buster in BOG, so Sun-busting really isn't out of his league anyway.

[TheGmGoken]

You can debate sun busting in this In universe version of the topic! http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtop ... =8&t=29453

. Shameful plug I know.

^Please don't start this "Sun-busting" nonsense. He's the God of Destruction. It should go with out saying that he is probably able to destroy a lot of things.

If you're talking about the "final" blow, that was Goku. After Gotenks got cocky and was nearly caught off guard by a blast, which he deflected and almost blew the gang up.

They spend a lot of their time trying to look cool and come up with attack names. Even unfused they didn't really take Piccolo's training seriously the entire time.

No...I'm talking about Gotenks punching the guy to the water. And that scene was gag(throwing the attack to the gang).

Yeah, and then he got right back out. And the entire scene with him shooting the blast and it being deflected to nearly hit the gang isn't the gag. The gag is the part at the end when Gotenks laughs it off. After that Goku and Vegeta (specifically Goku) stepped in and finished the fight.

Let's see over confidence? You mean like Vegeta, Ten, Yamcha, and Gohan have shown. Gotenks fucked up. So did their the people I mentioned. What's the difference. Why are they given a pass? They took Piccolo training seriously after Chi Chi died.

I definitely don't see what you're saying with Ten, Yamcha, or even Gohan being overconfident as they are at this point. I'm not saying that I think Goten and Trunks shouldn't have been included. I'm saying it makes sense to me why Bulma had them stay back for the reasons I mentioned. Vegeta, Ten, Yamcha, and Gohan are adults. They make their own decisions (Accept for Yamcha, apparently...which I am curious about how Ten was able to tell him what to do... )

So he failed because he was winning? I'm lost here. How was he reckless? He was caught off guard by a monster he just beat the shit outta. Could happened to anyone. Bulma is not going to allow her powerful son to fight? When did she become Chi Chi?

[Herms]

I don't think it should be exactly one thousand years before the newest one, unless it was mentioned and I didn't know. "Around 1,000" is acceptable, I think.

Yeah, Daizenshuu 7's timeline lists a Super Saiyan appearing in "around 268 Before Common Era", which presumably is where the Dragon Ball Dream people got their date for Episode of Bardock from. It's obviously based on Vegeta's statement that a Super Saiyan appears once in a thousand years, but there's no reason to think it's quite so exact that it comes down to exactly 1,000 years. Anyway, the updated timeline in Chouzenshuu 4 keeps this entry for -268 exactly the same as before, with no mention of Bardock. But then its description of the destruction of Planet Vegeta mentions Bardock being sent to the past, so...draw your own conclusions, I guess.

[The Monkey King]

I'm beginning to think that the rabid defenders of this film are almost as annoying than those who rabidly bash it.
They ignore in universe facts and shit all over characters just so they can say the film looks good.
Even now multiple members are shitting all over Goten and Trunks over actions they did 5 years ago when they were little kids. It doesn't make sense.
All of this crap about 1000 mooks who Piccolo chould be able to vaporise with a casual ki blast is dragging the whole film down a bit for me.
Fortunately the parts with Goku and Vegeta training of Beerus' temple and the fight against Freeza are shaping up to be awesome.

[Big Momma]

So he failed because he was winning? I'm lost here. How was he reckless? He was caught off guard by a monster he just beat the shit outta. Could happened to anyone. Bulma is not going to allow her powerful son to fight? When did she become Chi Chi?

He didn't "finish" the fight. He was winning, but he was still goofing around. He stopped to brag, like he does often, and the villain took that moment to strike. He was caught off guard, which caused him to hastily deflect it towards the crowd.

How are you even arguing that Gotenks isn't cocky, overconfident, and/or reckless? That's part of his whole shtick and why a lot of people (including me) like him. And that's where most of his humor comes from.

And again, Bulma didn't keep them back because they're weak. I've said that before (a couple times, I think). Them being strong/weak isn't the issue she has. It's that they take things too far. (according to the leaks.)

They ignore in universe facts and shit all over characters just so they can say the film looks good.
Even now multiple members are shitting all over Goten and Trunks over actions they did 5 years ago when they were little kids. It doesn't make sense.

We ignore in-universe facts by bringing up things they did in-universe? And I'm referencing things they did a mere 3 years before FnF. Heck, Gotenks was even that way in BoG (Which is why I liked his parts and thought it was funny).

[KaiserNeko]

I'm beginning to think that the rabid defenders of this film are more annoying than those who bash it.
They ignore in universe facts and shit all over characters just so they can say the film looks good.
Even now multiple members are shitting all over Goten and Trunks over actions they did 5 years ago when they were little kids. It doesn't make sense.
All of this crap about 1000 mooks who Piccolo chould be able to vaporise with a casual ki blast is dragging the whole film down a bit for me.
Fortunately the parts with Goku and Vegeta training of Beerus' temple and the fight against Freeza are shaping up to be awesome.

I'm... sorry, I'm just not a huge Goten or Trunks fan. I never thought they were particularly engaging or entertaining, although Gotenks did have some fun bits. I'm giving my honest opinion here, from my perspective, on how I feel about those characters. Opinions I've seen regularly shared by friends and other fans, so I know I'm not necessarily alone there. Not that I think it's a good enough reason to exclude them from the movie, just... eh, it's my opinion that they're not all that fascinating, that's all.

Trust me, I wouldn't be trying to defend this film if people weren't trying so feverishly to drag it down with half-baked ideas of what's going to happen in the movie. 1000 mooks who Piccolo could be able to vaporize with a casual ki blast? How do you know they're not modified and made stronger? You haven't seen the film, there's no explanation for why the heroes struggle here. Nobody has a reason to be upset until the film is presented in full. Otherwise, it's just bitching and moaning for the sake of it, because apparently people want something to complain about.

I'm serious. We have no idea how any of this plays out. Not a clue. The manga doesn't help, because we know it's unreliable for full context. You can say you don't like the design of Golden Freeza, you can show concern over certain plot points, but until the movie is out? Nobody knows whether or not the concepts that have presented will work and/or make sense.

[Ajay]

I'm beginning to think that the rabid defenders of this film are almost as annoying than those who rabidly bash it.
They ignore in universe facts and shit all over characters just so they can say the film looks good.

Eh, I don't think that's what's happening, at all. Those who are 'defending' it are merely waiting until they see the film before damning it. How on earth can anyone be upset by something with no context? We're going by a heavily condensed manga that's being used to promote the final product. You can't judge the film based on that. It's a bit like watching three trailers for the upcoming Avengers movie and calling it trash.

There are people upset over Freeza's training, and yet we don't know any of the details behind that. Some say that it's impossible because of their own fan-logic about power levels and training, while others say it is possible due to narrative and character-based fan-logic. It's a glass half-full, half-empty kinda thing. But again, we don't know until we see it.

I may well walk out of the film as angry and frustrated as I was by Dragon Ball Minus. There's plenty of stuff I've seen about this film that has concerned me, but I'm only going to remain cautiously optimistic since I'm such a fan of the series - something I thought we all were.

I guess I'm just baffled that fans are so quick to damn something they're supposedly fans of. Surely they want to go in with a positive mindset on the off chance it's actually okay? Maybe they'll hate it when they see it, and that'll be absolutely fine by me. But maybe they'll marvel at the wonderful animation, the score, the great performances, and walk away going 'you know what? that might not have the most solid of writing, but it was a damn enjoyable flick'.

Who knows? Either way, it's just upsetting to see such malice towards the creator of the series with such unfounded reasoning.

I've been rewatching the Freeza arc, and I'm reminded of just how good a villain he is. I mean, look at this screenshot, how can anyone be upset that he's back and stronger than ever:

Spoiler:

[ZazamPow]

Fuck Goten and Trunks. Tien is the shit.