Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

[TheGmGoken]

Wanking a character you like to extreme levels is generally what causes someone to be called a fanboy, though.

I've already explained the use of a character like Broly to showcase Vegetto's power in his first fight. Salagir used Broly as that character because he wasn't in the tournament yet, because he had the right mentality and behavior to serve as that character, because he had an idea on how to justify his power being on Vegetto's class and because he liked Broly. It wasn't just because he liked Broly. There was a need for a character to serve as a plot device to showcase Vegetto, and, because of the reasons I stated (not forgetting that Salagir likes Broly of course), Broly was chosen to be that character.

But didn't Salagir quote proved that this theory wasn't true. And it was because

"BROLY IS COOL! "

[rereboy]

Really? Giving Broly three specials (only two of which are out right now), having all of the other characters rant about how awesome and powerful he is, making him stronger than Vegetto, and admitting to doing this because "Broly is cool" doesn't make you a fanboy?

Strange, I thought that Vegetto defeated Broly. Must have been reading another fanmanga...

And I've already talked about the specials. Like all specials, they serve to stall for time. There's two of them because they are adapting Broly's two movies (lets forget about bio Broly ) into DBM and their idea of LSSJ. There's also two specials of Vegetto out right now and two of Bardock and probably more will come.

But didn't Salagir quote proved that this theory wasn't true. And it was because

"BROLY IS COOL! "

That's because he knows that its simply a fan theory, and that the creators of the Dragon Ball anime probably never had such a thing in mind when they created Broly. Nevertheless, its useful for his manga.

Would you prefer that he claimed that's how it really was? . Now THAT would be a fanboy.

[Saiga]

Furthermore, I don't see how this does Vegetto any good. It makes him look weak. He needs to bring out Super Saiyan 2 and Super Saiyan 3 in his first fight, against an opponent that's only ever fought opponents much weaker than Vegetto. Even with the justification, it does nothing to make Vegetto look good. Nothing about his performance actually makes him look stronger than what we've already seen in the manga, because Broli's special power up means he can't be compared to anyone, and so it becomes "Look, Vegetto's full power! How strong is it? Stronger than Broli! How strong is Broli? Not as strong as Vegetto's full power!"

In the end, Vegetto's power wasn't truly showcased, just his forms and his Final Dragon Flash technique. Broli is the worst character to try and use for that, because with Salagir's explanation his power could be anything, he can both beat anyone and be beaten by anyone depending on how much he has powered up. We're effectively told Vegetto's power, not shown.

I'm not even sure why we needed to see all of Vegetto's power there. Sure, he loses in the next round without a battle, but he's still in the plot. Unless he doesn't fight again, I think showing everything early on just means we don't have much more to expect from him to show.

And I think believing Broli really was that would be less fanboy than this. That's at least just partially ignorance. But knowing that Broli isn't that way, but choosing to interpret it that way "because he's cool" is super fanboyism.

[RandomGuy96]

Strange, I thought that Vegetto defeated Broly. Must have been reading another fanmanga...

He got beaten when Vegetto used the precious five seconds of SS3 (in those five seconds, and in those five seconds alone, he was stronger than Broly) and hit him with a big attack. Which didn't even damage him, just knocked him out of the ring, because Broly couldn't REALLY be beaten, because as a LSS he's literally invincible. Broly was smacking him around in the fight, even after Vegetto went SS2. Taking Broly from "weaker than Cell" to "stronger than fucking Super Vegetto x 2" is just ridiculous.

And the reason given? "Broly is cool".

And I've already talked about the specials. Like all specials, they serve to stall for time. There's two of them because they are adapting Broly's two movies (lets forget about bio Broly ) into DBM and their idea of LSSJ. There's also two specials of Vegetto out right now and two of Bardock and probably more will come.

And I don't like the specials for Vegetto and Bardock either.

[rereboy]

Furthermore, I don't see how this does Vegetto any good. It makes him look weak. He needs to bring out Super Saiyan 2 and Super Saiyan 3 in his first fight, against an opponent that's only ever fought opponents much weaker than Vegetto. Even with the justification, it does nothing to make Vegetto look good. Nothing about his performance actually makes him look stronger than what we've already seen in the manga, because Broli's special power up means he can't be compared to anyone, and so it becomes "Look, Vegetto's full power! How strong is it? Stronger than Broli! How strong is Broli? Not as strong as Vegetto's full power!"

In the end, Vegetto's power wasn't truly showcased, just his forms and his Final Dragon Flash technique. Broli is the worst character to try and use for that, because with Salagir's explanation his power could be anything, he can both beat anyone and be beaten by anyone depending on how much he has powered up. We're effectively told Vegetto's power, not shown.

I'm not even sure why we needed to see all of Vegetto's power there. Sure, he loses in the next round without a battle, but he's still in the plot. Unless he doesn't fight again, I think showing everything early on just means we don't have much more to expect from him to show.

And I think believing Broli really was that would be less fanboy than this. That's at least just partially ignorance. But knowing that Broli isn't that way, but choosing to interpret it that way "because he's cool" is super fanboyism.

That problem would exist whatever character was chosen. An original character? Same problem. A Buu? Only if it was someone like Zen Buu because the other Buus are much too weak and even then, it would suffer somewhat from that problem because we don't really know how Zen Buu compares to Gohan-Buu or anyone else, not to mention that it would be a complete waste to use Zen Buu for that and it would be awkward to have two different versions of Zen Buu, one stronger and one weaker. Who else? Janemba? He was easily killed by SSJ Gogeta, so same problem. Hirudegarn? Killed by SSJ3 Goku. And from there the candidates are even worse. So, the problem you mentioned can't really be fixed. The point of the fight was indeed to showcase Vegetto's other forms, his technique, and, with the characters statements, give a sense of how extraordinarily strong he is.

And we don't really need to see anything... The authors probably just felt that the story and the plot would be better if we saw Vegetto's true power this early, establishing him as a known powerhouse for all the other fighters in the tournament and also establishing, by comparison, how dangerous Zen Buu is, since he is pretty confident he could beat Vegetto at his best. And I tend to agree.

And I don't agree with you there about what a fanboy is. A fanboy is someone who likes something irrationally. That's the best definition for it. But Salagir has shown that he is completely rational about it, not even trying to argue that "this is the truthzz" or something like that, like fanboys do. He made a conscious choice to use Broly for that character, justifying why his power is like that, because he felt the need to have a character like that at that time in the story and because he likes the character of Broly. Don't really see how that makes him a fanboy instead of just someone who likes that particular character and used as the plot device he needed, taking care to justify why he's that strong when he shouldn't be.

[rereboy]

He got beaten when Vegetto used the precious five seconds of SS3 (in those five seconds, and in those five seconds alone, he was stronger than Broly) and hit him with a big attack. Which didn't even damage him, just knocked him out of the ring, because Broly couldn't REALLY be beaten, because as a LSS he's literally invincible. Broly was smacking him around in the fight, even after Vegetto went SS2. Taking Broly from "weaker than Cell" to "stronger than fucking Super Vegetto x 2" is just ridiculous.

And the reason given? "Broly is cool".

Yeah, if you are going to ignore my posts where I explain how DBM's LSSJ works and ignoring everything that its convenient for you to ignore, like ignoring the fact that Broly was rendered unconscious by Vegetto, even if he didn't drop out of LSSJ, there's no point in replying to you.

You just take note of what you want and don't even try to be fair about it. In this very post yet again you completely ignore that there's a justification within the story for Broly's power and just state what you took note of, Salagir saying that Broly is cool.

Another example of you taking note of just what is convenient to you, is the fact that you ignore that Vegetto was stronger than Broly more than once in their fight, but was surpassed momentarily by Broly's ability to continue to increase his power. You ignore that, and just state that Vegetto was only stronger than Broly when he went SSJ3.

And I don't like the specials for Vegetto and Bardock either.

How nice of you to ignore the point I was making when I mentioned them by saying that you don't like them.

[TheGmGoken]

It was to bring fans into story not FOR the story. If I'm a businessman I will try to do anything for populaity. Cheap or not. That's why he did it. Plus Broli is cool! That's a win win

[RandomGuy96]

I'm not "ignoring" anything. I'm just restating the reason Salagir himself gave for Broly being that strong: "Broly is cool". Unless you're saying that a justification exists in-universe, which it doesn't really. The reason given is literally just "LSS Broly is invincible and keeps getting stronger".

And what was your point? I thought it was "well you have no problem with these guys having specials, you just hate Broly". Is it "Salagir isn't a Broly fanboy because these characters also receive this number of specials"? If that's the case, then one, it's a combination of the specials, the shilling, the wank, and everything else that makes me hate DBM Broly, not just the specials, and two, I think that Salagir's too much of a fanboy towards more characters than just Broly. Vegetto getting too much focus has been a fairly common complaint since this comic started.

[Saiga]

An original character, or a previous character, wouldn't be a problem if their power level could be established in some way before that fight. With Broli's "constantly getting stronger" shtick, though, you can't do that. And it would have been way easier to use a Goku-Gohan potara or something anyway. Reasonably at a comparable level, and there are enough statements lying around for him to be interpreted as stronger or weaker than Vegetto so he can easily be believable at that level. And merely showing that the potara of Goku and Gohan signals that he's a pretty big deal himself.

I think willingly interpreting things a different way to make a cool character better than he actually is, is fanboyish. Being ignorant isn't necessarily so, for example someone might think that Super Saiyan Goku is stronger than Ultimate Gohan because they interpreted something wrong, without going into their feelings toward either character.

[rereboy]

I'm not "ignoring" anything. I'm just restating the reason Salagir himself gave for Broly being that strong: "Broly is cool". Unless you're saying that a justification exists in-universe, which it doesn't really. The reason given is literally just "LSS Broly is invincible and keeps getting stronger".

And what was your point? I thought it was "well you have no problem with these guys having specials, you just hate Broly". Is it "Salagir isn't a Broly fanboy because these characters also receive this number of specials"? If that's the case, then one, it's a combination of the specials, the shilling, the wank, and everything else that makes me hate DBM Broly, not just the specials, and two, I think that Salagir's too much of a fanboy towards more characters than just Broly. Vegetto getting too much focus has been a fairly common complaint since this comic started.

My point is the same as ever. Trying to make you see that you are exaggerating and trying to persuade you to be more fair in your statements. Many of the complains that you have, I also have. I just don't exaggerate them.

Oh, and before you say that you "don't exaggerate", in this very post you say that no real justification exists in the story for Broly's power and once again you state that LSSJ Broly is invincible, despite having been killed in every single universe except one and despite the fact that I've already explain that its not like that.

Instead, I don't ignore that a justification exists, and I can even see where they got it from. I wish that the justification was better because, even though its logical and based on official stuff, its not that great, and I've even imagined a much better way to explain it. In other words, pretty much the same complain as you.

[rereboy]

An original character, or a previous character, wouldn't be a problem if their power level could be established in some way before that fight. With Broli's "constantly getting stronger" shtick, though, you can't do that. And it would have been way easier to use a Goku-Gohan potara or something anyway. Reasonably at a comparable level, and there are enough statements lying around for him to be interpreted as stronger or weaker than Vegetto so he can easily be believable at that level. And merely showing that the potara of Goku and Gohan signals that he's a pretty big deal himself.

I think willingly interpreting things a different way to make a cool character better than he actually is, is fanboyish. Being ignorant isn't necessarily so, for example someone might think that Super Saiyan Goku is stronger than Ultimate Gohan because they interpreted something wrong, without going into their feelings toward either character.

A Goku-Gohan fusion wouldn't have the same behavior and mentality of a Broly-like character, which is important for how they structured the plot. A character like that instead of Broly would require a complete change of the plot and it would also be a shame to use such a character as a plot device to showcase Vegetto, specially since I'm not even sure which of the two should have greater relevance in the story. So that would be a complete other story.

As for another character with the same kind of mentality as Broly, the problem would be how to establish his power. I think that Broly's power was established well enough as a powerhouse by Vegetto's statements and the others of how strong he could be, and it was logical following the rule that he keeps getting stronger. I don't see how an original character power could have been better established than that, without a sort of fight before the fight with Vegetto, which is incompatible with a Broly-type personality and without making him interesting enough to be a shame to use him as a plot device.

As for the fanboy notion, I'm still not agreeing with you, sorry. That's not what a fanboy is, in my opinion. That's just liking a character and justifying his use in a fan manga within logical limits, interpreting a possible way for how his LSSJ works since that isn't really explained anywhere by the way (how it works, its differences from normal SSJs, etc). A fanboy is someone irrational, who won't listen to anyone or change his mind, no matter what anyone shows him or tells him. Is Salagir like that? Is he stating that Broly is like that and won't listen to anything else? No, he just likes him and that fan interpretation based on movie 8 allows him to use the character he likes for a plot device. That's it.

[TheGmGoken]

There is different definitions of fanboy you know :/

[rereboy]

There is different definitions of fanboy you know :/

And did I state that my own was the absolute truth? I think its very clear that I was saying what I consider a fanboy to be.

[TheGmGoken]

There is different definitions of fanboy you know :/

And did I state that my own was the absolute truth? I think its very clear that I was saying what I consider a fanboy to be.

That was applying to EVERYONE not just you.

[Saiga]

Wait, why is Broli's mentality even needed? That doesn't seem to have anything to do with the purpose that fight is meant to serve. Parts would be changed to accommodate the difference but it wouldn't be a huge change since Broli doesn't affect a whole lot.

[Pantalones]

While Salagir may be a Broly fanboy, he's clearly an even bigger fanboy of a certain other character.

That character, of course, being the freaking sun.

I mean seriously... the sun couldn't even manage to kill Cooler--some of his original biological body actually came back out of the sun intact enough for the Big Gete Star to revive him. And that was with the help of a Kamehameha pushing him into it.

But in DBM we get this... "the sun burns much more than our attacks." The same sun that couldn't even kill Cooler (in the same "pushed into it by a Kamehameha" way) is suddenly more of a threat than much-stronger-than-Cooler characters' attacks, so much so that it can instantly zap Broly out of Legendary Indestructible Nonsense Mode and kill him right away? Two words: Buuuuuullllll Shiiiiiit. (Or "GT Logic," I suppose, if you go by the whole mess with the "I'm as hot as the surface of the sun!" dragon thing somehow actually being a threat to not just Goku but SSj4 Goku... rather than being laughed at just like Pui Pui's "look at me I can handle 10x gravity, that's a lot ain't it!?" was years before.)

[Tzigi]

Being selective about your sources isn't that great. From all the citations I provided you with, you chose the oldest and shortest. What about:

If by fan you mean fanatic, then no. I'm a fan of Piccolo. This kind of fan, which is the same as fanboyish, is created by what we saw and found cool as kids. In my case, I didn't know much about DBZ, and I saw an episode with two green guys fighting each other. And green guy #1 begins to take the energy out of green guy #2 arm!! And the other asks him his story, but at the end he's so like "fooled you" and he gets a new arm!!! And he is stronger than green guy one and he is so cool! Piccolo fan.

If by fan you mean I like the character a lot, then yes I do. In DBZ, Broly is the only tank, he is the only berserk unstoppable machine. Except he is stopped all the time. That's a good character if well used. Too much of DBZ ennemies have high intelligence. Most of Buu's forms, Cell, Freeza, even a monster-henchman like Yakon talks and thinks! It's nice to have changes like kid Buu and dumb invincible Broly.

Don't you understand that the "Broly is cool" part was meant as "Broly is cool so he'll be a great character to have in the introduction to a fan-manga I'm writing" not as "Broly is cool so I'll fan-wank him throught the whole fan-manga, I'll show his son, his grand-son, he'll get 10 new transformations and turn out to be the real prince of all Saiyans"? For me the second part is what a fanboy would say. The first is what a reasonably calculating author would do. And, as many people here have pointed out, it has worked.

Mind you: it isn't the same Broly we see in the movies. Salagir is aware of it:

Spoiler:

Why is everyone afraid of Broly? As showed in the movies... this guy is less strong than a SSJ2! (...) But I decided to take the "Broly's power is constantly growing" option (which is certainly a fan invention) and make him stronger every minute, and thus, at Vegetto's level.

and he wanted to show a possible what-if concerning a warrior whose strenght never stops growing. Would it be better if he created one as an OC? I think not.

It's the same thing as with Bardock. In the DB special Bardock the father of Goku, Bardock can see the future. In DBM only u3!Bardock has this ability. In his comment on page 441 Salagir has explained his reasons for doing so:

Here we go to this scene when the future sight is given. I've radically changed it from the film, because, I thought it made no sense in the film.

Some random dude can give you the awesome power to read the future by touching you in the back? What the hell?
This is a HUGE power and shouldn't happen so easily! Why didn't the guys in this planet see the future, and fled, then??

Anyway. In DBM-canon, it's the power only one Kanassian guy has, one particular guy, who summons Baddack to him.

Also, did you see that in the movie, in fact, the visions of Baddack are absolutely of NO USE to him? No really, rewrite the film, without the vision. You see, no difference whatsoever ! Baddack is back to his planet because of Toma telling Freeza's plan. The visions have nothing to do with his decisions and actions.
So that's my point of view : in universe 18 (DBZ) : Baddack didn't have the visions and the film happened the same, minus the visions.
In universe 3, the only one with the visions, things will happen differently.

Do you the resemblance? In both cases we have a change of the original (I don't realy wan't to say canon because canon in DB is extremely fluid and while the Bardock TV special can fit in, the Broly movies can't) version for the sake of what Salagir perceives to be better story-telling. Consider the idea that the Broly who came back in the era of Buu (the return of Broly) had more or less the same powerlevel as the one in the first movie (near-death power-ups becoming insignificant after obtaining SSJ) - then the second movie should end with Gohan turning SSJ2 and one-hit-KO-ing Broly. Yet Salagir wanted to have more characters from different universes - and wanted most of them to be connected to DB. So he changed the stories of both Bardock and Broly - only slightly, just so that they would fit in what he imagined to be laws ruling the DB-verse.

It's still incorrect to say he's not invincible while in that form, as you did, because he can only be killed if he's knocked out of the form.

In DBM canon LSSJ dies because he's using the form.

Spoiler:

Broly's LSSJ lifespan is certainly of two week. Or a month ? The question is : how much time was used already ? Time in ice doesn't count of course. Anyway as we don't know his "LSSJ lifespan" nor the time he spend as LSSJ, we have no way to know when he'll die. But for sure, in less than a year
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With Broli's "constantly getting stronger" shtick, though, you can't do that.

Why? Salagir based the idea on one possible reading of a line in the movie: "My ki is rising... It's overflowing!".

I think willingly interpreting things a different way to make a cool character better than he actually is, is fanboyish.

I think that it can also be a good marketing technique. Isn't that what happened with Bardock getting SSJ in Episode of Bardock and with Future Trunks, Vegeta and Broly getting SSJ3 in Dragon Ball Heroes?

Giving Broly three specials (only two of which are out right now)

There will be much more chapters published about different universes. At the moment u3 has the most (4). So by your logic Salagir is fanboying first u3, then u20? Also DBM tries to explain all of the missing parts of the story:
- universes 1 and 10 have already been fully explained in chapter 25
- universe 2 is created as inherently unexplainable so it won't have any special chapters
- universe 3 has so far had 4 special chapters (20, 21, 29, 30) and for all we know has much more to explain -> more special chapters
- universe 4 has had no special chapters so far but needs more explanation -> more special chapters
- universe 5 quite definately needs at least some explanation -> possibly more special chapters
- universe 6 has already been explained in chapter 18
- universe 7 has already had a special chapter but will, in all probability, have more (even some test pages from an abandonned chapter leaked a long time ago - I can't find them for the moment but I have them saved somewhere) -> more special chapters
- universe 8 is ATM presented as two special chapters
- universe 9 is planned to have special chapters but doesn't have a cartoonist
- universe 11 has had no special chapters so far but needs more explanation -> more special chapters
- universe 12 has had 2 special chapters (10 and 32) and a huge fanfiction parts of which may get turned into another special chapter
- universe 13 has already had a special chapter but needs cartoonists for more chapters
- universe 14 is in more or less the same situation as 12 - a special chapter, two fanfictions (Twin Pain and One Way)
- universe 15 has also had one special chapter and, in my opinion, is quite unlikely to get another one but you never know...
- universe 16 has had two special chapters (14 and 34) and a fanfiction; the cartoonist of the second special chapter, Kira/Charlotte has stated that she's drawing another one -> more special chapters
- universe 17 has had a special chapter that pretty much explained everything so it isn't likely to get another
- universe 18 is different from the manga in that some special chapters (like both remakes of Broly movies) expand the story but in itself it won't get any special chapters
- universe 19 doesn't have any cartoonists
- universe 20 is planned to have one more special chapter by albertocubatas/puaj
So we will, in all probability, see special chapters about universes: 3, 4, 5, 7, 11, 16, 20 and possibly about universes 9, 13 and 19 (if Salagir manages to find cartoonists for them). Is really giving 3 chapters to Broly that much in that light?

having all of the other characters rant about how awesome and powerful he is

How about Gohan, Gast Carcolh, Arale, Xeniloum (though indirectly - but think about it: 100% of the cut went through the barrier - and yet when Broly attacked only 1% did) and, last but not least, Vegetto himself? Seems like Salagir is fanboying a whole roomful of characters.

making him stronger than Vegetto, and admitting to doing this because "Broly is cool" doesn't make you a fanboy?

Already covered those points while answering Saiga.

Unless you're saying that a justification exists in-universe, which it doesn't really. The reason given is literally just "LSS Broly is invincible and keeps getting stronger".

In DBM canon the in-universe justification isn't "LSS Broly is invincible and keeps getting stronger" it's "a LSS is invincible and keeps getting stronger". There were 3 previous LSSJs and all of them are at least mentioned in a fanfic (actually that's something I enjoy immensely about DBM - it's doing a great job at creating a whole coherent world with a story spanning millenia):
- An unnamed one who died almost immediately - 3000 years ago
- Brasca - 2000 years ago
- Romanseco - 1000 years ago
Each one of them can't be hurt in LSSJ, keeps getting stronger and dies from exhaustion (though after a progressively longer amount of time).

SO DBM doesn't have huge power levels.

And we go back to being selective about one's sources. I wrote "enormously huge (and yet unfounded) powerlevels" and you conveniently omitted the "unfounded" part. A problem with GT is for example how can Pan stand her ground against Luud who is explicitly said to be stronger then Buu. That doesn't get explained in any (good or bad way). DBM tries to explain all of its powerlevels. Do you see the difference?

While Salagir may be a Broly fanboy, he's clearly an even bigger fanboy of a certain other character.

That character, of course, being the freaking sun.

I mean seriously... the sun couldn't even manage to kill Cooler--some of his original biological body actually came back out of the sun intact enough for the Big Gete Star to revive him. And that was with the help of a Kamehameha pushing him into it.

But in DBM we get this... "the sun burns much more than our attacks." The same sun that couldn't even kill Cooler (in the same "pushed into it by a Kamehameha" way) is suddenly more of a threat than much-stronger-than-Cooler characters' attacks, so much so that it can instantly zap Broly out of Legendary Indestructible Nonsense Mode and kill him right away? Two words: Buuuuuullllll Shiiiiiit.

Want to know more about LSSJ and sun in DBM? Salagir has already provided all the info:

Spoiler:

> Ultimatewarrior : instead of sun?
The sun can't hurt broly. But it can serve him as a coffin as it's gravity is huge and Broly in LSSJ got a short lifetime.

> syrias : In LSSJ state, broly is completely immune to physical harm, be it energy or melee based. if the attack is strong enough, he can be flung around, crashing through things, but is not harmed by it. the only way to harm him is to first knock him out of the LSSJ state, down to SSJ or even base form.
Totally.
> syrias : 1. a physical shock from an attack that is so much stronger
I would say no to that. This means someone with stronger power can knock him out of LSSJ, then kill him.
That's too easy
I will go for "a psychological shock" and falling into the sun, that kind of shock.

> ONEG & EDUD : By INVULNERABLE i think you are only suggesting his skin becomes indestructible. So if I am right, I think a really hard punch to the face can disturb broly's brain enough to be knocked out. Am I right?
Nope, it's too easy. This goes for the whole body, and the Panzer Punch techniques won't work here

> Geno : Salagir said Broly died in the sun because of his life span, but I highly doubt he was relaxing on the sun, getting a tan and checking realestate until his life span ran out.

Well said I guess I'll have to give a clear position on this.
As I said before, getting into the sun is no picnic, even for SSJ3-like power levels...
We know a big blast can explode a planet but it's nothing. The sun can eat the Earth and leave nothing in a split of second. That's the sun for you. In fact, in a few billions years, it will.
Also, the gravity of the sun is 333 000 times the of the earth (sun+%2F+mass+of+the+earth" >I think... is this calculation good?), that's more than our usual 300G. And it's luminous. Like a big big amount of Tenshinan's Tayoken, and surely more thant a thousand of them.
Ergo : getting in the sun = omg. Things like Coola touching the sun then having enough cells to be found by a space robot is impossible, even for DBZ. But, well.
In our Legendary case, I've decided the following:
1) falling into a star is traumatic enough to un-LSSJ a Legendary Saiyajin.
2) no character in DBZ nor DBM can survive the sun, except for total invincibility.
Ergo, if Broly falls into the sun, he un-LSSJ, then dies burned in a few seconds.
3) Bonus rule: if Broly was to become strong enough (which shall happen if vegetto let him breath in LSSJ state too long), he could be so powerful that the sun wouldn't be so much traumatic. We would need bigger stars like Canis Majoris. If it keeps like this, would need a black hole...
But stellar objects may not be the only way to kill Broly.
In universe 20, Broly wasn't stronger than black holes, but he destroyed so much things that in the end, it was just a big mess, objets didn't revolve the usual way and collided, and chaos happened, and they made a rerun of Little House and the universe was destroyed !

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Well, that was a huge post.

[TheGmGoken]

I didn't omit shit. You posted contradictions and we ALREADY established that's it's a different Broly. Last time I check Db HEROES is a game not a manga that "follow Toriyama better than Gt". Even ZenBoo was worried. What type of shit. Dbm already have BP quick the opposite of unfounded. How about exaggeration. Ssj3 Goku needed to block Cold attack?

[Tzigi]

I didn't omit shit. (...) What type of shit.

Do you realy need all that profanity in your post? I find it offensive.

I didn't omit shit.

I have demonstrated that you did - I cited several different statements by Salagir and you chose to refer to only one of them. Doesn't that constitute an omission?

You posted contradictions

I have demonstrated that there weren't any contradiction. Saying that "Broly is cool" doesn't make one a fanboy. For more info see my previous post.

we ALREADY established that's it's a different Broly.

So what's the problem? A different Broly can have different powers (just like there are 3 different Vegetas from 3 different universes and nobody has any problems with the fact that they have different powerlevels). You just contradicted your own point.

Last time I check Db HEROES is a game not a manga that "follow Toriyama better than Gt".

So what? What's the problem in that Salagir has made a great marketing decision basing it upon the Rule of cool?
Also why are you so fixated on the "following the manga better then GT" issue?

Even ZenBoo was worried.

Once again [source] please. Only you can't post one since there's nothing like this in DBM. We see u4!Buu's thoughts 2 times (page 192 - he seems intrigued; page 218 - he's looking forward to the possibility of finishing the Broly-problem) during the Vegetto-Buu fight and he isn't worried at either part.

Dbm already have BP quick the opposite of unfounded.

What does it mean? I don't understand this sentence. BTW your posts would benefit from a better grammar and punctuation.

How about exaggeration. Ssj3 Goku needed to block Cold attack?

Salagir has explained it convincingly:

I agree that a lesser transformation would have been enough, but for such a quick action, it's more efficient to just use your maximum power. Goku didn't take the time to see what was the power level of the attack and transform in an adequate manner. He masters SSJ3 well and needs it for a second. There is no reason to try lower.

And rule of cool.

[TheGmGoken]

Do you realy need all that profanity in your post? I find it offensive.

How is it offensive? Because I swear? They have no feeling towards them. I LOVE TO SWEAR it's not like I go around just randomly saying "BITCH!" "DAMN LOOK AT THAT BIG ASS TREE". I just say them a lot of times.

I have demonstrated that you did - I cited several different statements by Salagir and you chose to refer to only one of them. Doesn't that constitute an omission?

I quoted the post. With the one with Unfounded BP. I didn't omit it. I was gathering examples where Salagir does something the opposite. But not the good opposite.

I have demonstrated that there weren't any contradiction. Saying that "Broly is cool" doesn't make one a fanboy. For more info see my previous post.

Using Broly to show off Vegetto and give Broly up to Vegetto's power to say "BROLY IS COOL!" is kinda showing bias towards a character. Besides Janemaba KINDA could have worked to be honest. Janemba gets his power from evil correct?

So what's the problem? A different Broly can have different powers (just like there are 3 different Vegetas from 3 different universes and nobody has any problems with the fact that they have different powerlevels). You just contradicted your own point.

No I didn't. No one has the issue of Vegeta having different battle powers because the 3 universes went through different shit. The U17 one we all know what he been through. Then we have Prince Vegeta who clearly had different experiences. Then Caveman Vegeta. Broly however got a CHEAP plot excuse. Despite him being different. Had the reason been better explained and handle then I would't have such an issue. My main issue(Unlike everyone else) is that it was poorly made. Him saying "BROLY IS COOL" is just a sub issue(As in my friend roleplay fanfics we did it too at times) and don't like your or Rereboy's reason. I honesty think he did so fans would be into the series. Which is smart. Y'all reason is so it benefit Vegetto. Which I highly disagree to be fair.

So what? What's the problem in that Salagir has made a great marketing decision basing it upon the Rule of cool?
Also why are you so fixated on the "following the manga better then GT" issue?

"Rule of cool". We can say the same thing about GT and any thing Toei has done. Pikkon beat Cell easily because they wanted a cool character. "RULE OF COOL!". GT was all about Goku cause everyone love Goku. "RULE OF COOL!". Not sure of Pan's fanbase in Japan but "RULE OF COOL". Why Goku wear the orange outfit instead of Blue(anime)-Green(Manga) outfit in BoG. Because it's iconic so it's cool. Why do I hate the saying "Following manga better than GT?". Cause it's bullshit. If you claim to follow manga better than GT then please don't put out bullshit that even GT haven't done. Or don't have bullshit plot moments either.

Once again [source] please. Only you can't post one since there's nothing like this in DBM. We see u4!Buu's thoughts 2 times (page 192 - he seems intrigued; page 218 - he's looking forward to the possibility of finishing the Broly-problem) during the Vegetto-Buu fight and he isn't worried at either part.

I posted the source already. I said ZEN BOO. There is only ONE Zen Boo.

Spoiler:

What does it mean? I don't understand this sentence. BTW your posts would benefit from a better grammar and punctuation.

English is my 3rd language. Actually starting to be my 4th. Can't be perfect. I try my hardest. You kinda did understand you sentence cause I told the meaning of it the very next word. "HOW ABOUT EXAGGERATION"

Salagir has explained it convincingly:

. We've seen in the series that they character don't use their full powers to block and protect everyone. Pretty sure in the series even the fastest attacks was blocked with a lower form. Not to mention Goku is a smart fighter and can easily sense Cold's power BEFORE the attack and GOku been in the attack before. So it's not hard to think GOku would just use SSj2 or SSj. I already explain the rule of Cool.