The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Lord Beerus]

pre-RoSaT Goten vs. Cell Games Vegeta

Vegeta stomps Goten

[DBZAOTA482]

100,000,000,000,000,000 Freezas vs. Beerus and Whis

[Lord Beerus]

100,000,000,000,000,000 Freezas vs. Beerus and Whis

Either Beerus or Whis sneeze in the direction of the 100,000,000,000,000,000 Freezas and they all turn into dust.

[dbzfan7]

100,000,000,000,000,000 Freezas vs. Beerus and Whis

Freeza's win cause apparently big numbers means a win, even if Freeza can't logically hurt them (Pretty sure you mean Pre-F Freeza)

[Dayspring]

I suppose it's technically not a multiplier, but the official canon is that it increases his power and all abilities to 1,000%. Basic math tells us that's the same as a x10 multiplier, though.

There appear to be two contradicting official sources pertaining to his speed. One says his top speed is 761mph (which is exactly Mach 1) while the other says his max speed is Mach 2. However, the one that says Mach 2 also says his top speed as Super Sonic is equal to the speed of light and maintains the 1,000% claim. 1,000% of Mach 2 is Mach 20, though, not the speed of light (over Mach 880,991). Because of this, and given his name both in and out of Super form, I believe his top speed is Mach 1 (which is the threshold of sonic speed) and his Super Sonic top speed is Mach 10 (which is supersonic speed by virtue of being faster than Mach 1).

Thanks to dbzfan7 for the reminder that Kintoun maxes out at Mach 1.5, though. It makes this discussion more interesting since I don't see else anything Sonic does to suggest he's stronger than someone who completed Kamesennin's training.
EDIT: Piccolo keeping up with Kintoun to the fight against Raditz would suggest that Sonic has a BP of 207-ish at most (2/3 of Piccolo's 322).

Only source for 1000x whatever was in the Super Sonic vs Hyper Knuckles Comic. Nowhere else is anything like that said. He's always called faster than sound while some of his friends (or at least used to before Sega stuck their dicks into them) capped around mach 1. I'd like to see your sources for those mach 2 and light speed claim. I've never heard of them and other forums of fans never brought those up. Smash 4 with Super Sonic's trophy said he's near light speed, which funny enough proves a Death Battle quote right for once.

Sonic I think you're selling a little short. He battles huge foes and damages them. I can't see Goku or Krillin beating Perfect Chaos after Kame Senin training. Since Goku was swifter than lightning after his training with Mr. Popo, that's where I draw the line for base Sonic. Super Sonic is planetary for sure since he's powered by emeralds that gave a super weapon the ability to destroy planets and pierce stars (didn't say destroy). So I think he'd cap around First Form Freeza who I think could do just that.

I remember Super Sonic tank Eggman's Egg Machine beam which can blow up the Moon in Sonic 2. I think Super Sonic could make it up to the Saiyan saga since he should beat anyone before DBZ. Archie Super Sonic would solo all of Dragon Ball in one blow. Archie Sonic is more broken then Pre-Crisis Superman.

Not sure what he can do now a days since the reboot though. Last thing I remember outside the comic special everyone likes to mention (Which I hear is taken out of context), was team with Super Mega Man, and be unable to defeat Perfect Chaos without Knuckles electrocuting him.

Thanks for the clarifications, dbzfan7 and Dayspring.

Still not interested in Sonic The Hedgehog.

Stay far away. It's a pile of shit now run by incompetent imbeciles. If anyone though Goku was pushing aside his cast, they've yet to see Sonic nuke his own cast.

Trying to track down the source of the 1,000% claim. Now I can only find those Death Battle vids.

Found this interesting video, though. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ze_uxxFJTvE

[SSJ God Gogeta]

pre-RoSaT Goten vs. Cell Games Vegeta

Vegeta

100,000,000,000,000,000 Freezas vs. Beerus and Whis

The 100,000,000,000,000,000 prodigies got this.

[Angelus]

pre-RoSaT Goten vs. Cell Games Vegeta

Of course Vegeta. Trunks is more powerful than Goten by a little bit. Vegeta is more powerful than Trunks.

100,000,000,000,000,000 Freezas vs. Beerus and Whis

Beerus and Whis could just shoot ki blasts all over the place and all these Freezas die.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Why does CG Vegeta have to be more powerful than Kid Trunks?

[Angelus]

Because the gains during the Cell Games and the Buu Saga was minimal, in similar forms. Even SSJ2 Majin Vegeta was said to be similar in power to SSJ2 Cell Games Gohan.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

I don't get what you're saying?

I'm asking what's contradicting Kid Trunks (Buu arc) > Vegeta (Cell Games)

[Angelus]

I'm saying that the gains between the Cell Games and the Buu Arc are minimal if in the same forms.

Gohan was said to be much weaker in the Buu Saga than his Cell Games self. Dabura was a Perfect Cell tier enemy that Gohan didn't dispatch quickly, yet Vegeta claims that he could do it faster. This same Gohan was sparring with Goten evenly, though that's just sparring-level. Goten, who is sparring with "weaker than Cell Games self" Gohan is said to be weaker than Trunks. Trunks is only ahead of a Goten, who is weaker than "weaker than Cell Games self" Gohan. Cell Games Vegeta would be superior to Trunks.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Yeah, but Buu saga Gohan was still around CG Goku's level at least, and Goten is pretty much on par with Gohan, which would put Goten around CG Goku, and CG Goku completely blows CG Trunks and Vegeta out of the water.

Goku (Buu) >= Kid Gohan (CG) > Vegeta (pre-Majin) >> Teen Gohan (Buu) >~ Kid Trunks >= Goten =< CG Goku >>> CG Vegeta >= CG Trunks

[Angelus]

If you think Goten is on par with Gohan, then Goten could kill Dabura then (no spitting)? Goten is still significantly lower than Gohan. Gohan even said that he better start training before the kids could surpass him. It means that the kids are still below Gohan, who is already weaker than his Cell Games self.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Nah, I think Dabra is slightly stronger than Gohan, and Gohan is slightly stronger than Goten, which would make a noticeable gap between Goten and Dabra, and Goten's inexperience wouldn't help.

Post-RoSaT Goten would win, in my opinion.

And how is Goten significantly below Gohan?

[fadeddreams5]

100,000,000,000,000,000 Freezas vs. Beerus and Whis

By the time Beerus and Whis beat the first 10,000, the rest will have done enough jumping jacks and push-ups to close the power gap and beat both.

[Angelus]

Well you did say Pre-ROSAT.

Because that's what "weaker than his Cell Games self" Gohan said... that he better start training more rigorously otherwise "these kids" would surpass him. The way I understand that.. the kids would have to significantly gain more power in order to surpass this Gohan.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

If he's worried about being surpassed because of them play fighting, they would mean they're close to him in power, not far from him.

[Angelus]

How close do you have the gap in power between Goten and pre-25th WMAT Gohan then? As close as the gap between 17 and 18 or something?

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Goten at maybe like 85%-90% of Gohan. I wouldn't put the gap bigger than 1.2x based on their sparring sessions.

[Angelus]

But that is what I would consider a significant gap. 15% isn't a big gap for you? XD