The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

What makes you think SSjin Goten is that strong? I'd put SSjin Goten and Trunks around Imperfect Cell at best.

Spoiler:

You realize it's just sparing right?

What's your point?

[Chou_Gohan]

What's your point?

That Gohan is holding back... that much is obvious..

[DBZAOTA482]

What's your point?

That Gohan is holding back... that much is obvious..

But he's sweating like a pig and is clenching his teeth.... no way he's holding back.

[Chou_Gohan]

What's your point?

That Gohan is holding back... that much is obvious..

But he's sweating like a pig and is clenching his teeth.... no way he's holding back.

Cell did the same vs. Goku

[Doctor.]

THIS is holding back, not that.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

What's your point?

That Gohan is holding back... that much is obvious..

The same can be said for Goten.

But he's sweating like a pig and is clenching his teeth.... no way he's holding back.

Cell did the same vs. Goku

Not a very good point since it's well established Cell is holding back his full power in that scenario based on his later power up, yet there's no indication Gohan's not at full power.

[Chou_Gohan]

The same can be said for Goten.

Not a very good point since it's well established Cell is holding back his full power in that scenario based on his later power up, yet there's no indication Gohan's not at full power.

Lol seriously?? Goten is Gohan's little brother... he doesn't want to one shot the poor little guy. Obviously Gohan is stronger. besides Goten even said he couldn't land a hit on Gohan, which just proves he was going all out and Gohan is a lot stronger

And there's no indication Gohan is at full power either

THIS is holding back, not that.

But Cell was holding back against Goku and sweating. Gohan's obviously suppressing here to get a good sparring match instead of effortlessly doding all of Goten's hits. In the picture you posted, Gohan was holding back just to train Trunks not himself.

[Doctor.]

You can't claim someone is suppressing their power if there's no clear indication of it. When they are, it's always stated. Gohan even says Goten might become stronger than him if he keeps slacking off and Daizenshuu says both are around the same level.

[Chou_Gohan]

You can't claim someone is suppressing their power if there's no clear indication of it. When they are, it's always stated.

It's logical

You think Gohan's gonna go all out on his 7 year old brother? Not likely. And besides, Goten couldn't even land a hit on him

[Chou_Gohan]

Gohan even says Goten might become stronger than him if he keeps slacking off and Daizenshuu says both are around the same level.

Gohan surpassed Goku in the ROSAT too and he was a lot weaker than Goku before the training. The Daizenshuu is talking about potential most likely.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Lol seriously?? Goten is Gohan's little brother... he doesn't want to one shot the poor little guy.

Lol seriously?? Goten is Gohan's little brother... he doesn't want to embarrass Gohan by one shotting the poor guy.

besides Goten even said he couldn't land a hit on Gohan, which just proves he was going all out and Gohan is a lot stronger

And here you cite a direct statement, while ignoring coexisting feats where Gohan has difficulty blocking said hits and is forced into the air to avoid one.

And there's no indication Gohan is at full power either

There's no reason to assume Gohan isn't at full power. Unless specifically stated, the burden of proof rests on you.

In the picture you posted, Gohan was holding back just to train Trunks not himself.

And Gohan in the picture I posted was training for himself. The Tenkaichi training was initially only for Gohan, so to suppress down to Imperfect Cell level would only be slowing him down.

It's logical

You think Gohan's gonna go all out on his 7 year old brother? Not likely.

Your whole argument is relying on the assumption Gohan would not be using full power while Goten would be, since the latter is a little kid.

But despite his age, Gohan was already the strongest fighter in the previous arc, and Goku being much younger than Roshi at the 21st Tenkaichi doesn't mean the latter was holding back a ton while barely winning and the former was going all out.

Age isn't relevant to power.

Gohan surpassed Goku in the ROSAT too and he was a lot weaker than Goku before the training.

Not comparable considering Goku's intent was to make Gohan stronger than him and he focused on that, meanwhile Gohan's worry comes from finding out that Goten play fights with Trunks.

The Daizenshuu is talking about potential most likely.

By virtue of being Goku's son, Goten posses battle power not the least bit inferior to even Gohan. On top of being able to unleash a startling amount of power in even his normal state, he can easily transform into a Super Saiyan. Furthermore, he merges with Trunks through a technique known as Fusion.

http://web.archive.org/web/201111031656 ... ow_up#link

[Dyno]

Majin Janemba vs Super Buu with Son Gohan absorbed.

(If you choose Super Buu to win, then Baby appears and possesses him: Majin Baby Janemba vs Super Buu with Son Gohan absorbed).

[DBZAOTA482]

Majin Janemba vs Super Buu with Son Gohan absorbed.

(If you choose Super Buu to win, then Baby appears and possesses him: Majin Baby Janemba vs Super Buu with Son Gohan absorbed).

Super Boo stomps then drops.

[Angelus]

Who's the most powerful person Saiyan Saga Yajirobe + Roshi potara fusion can beat? XD

[Chou_Gohan]

Some GT Match-ups

1. GT Pan vs. 100% Frieza
2. GT SSjin 4 Goku vs. SSjin Vegito (Buu saga)
3. GT SSjin Trunks vs. Perfect Cell
4. GT SSjin Vegeta vs. Kid Boo
5. GT SSjin 2 Gohan vs. Chou Gohan

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

1. GT Pan vs. 100% Freeza

Pan in the last saga is stronger than Super Vegetto, so she breathes on Freeza, killing him. Heck, even End of Z Pan would mutilate Freeza.

2. GT SSjin 4 Goku vs. SSjin Vegito (Buu saga)

SS3 Vegetto vs. SS4 Goku would've been a better match. In the later arcs, Goku could even beat Vegetto without using SS4.

3. GT SSjin Trunks vs. Perfect Cell

Trunks wins even in base.

4. GT SSjin Vegeta vs. Kid Boo

Vegeta wins even in base.

5. GT SSjin 2 Gohan vs. Chou Gohan

GT Gohan wins even in base.

[Hugo Boss]

Even pre-RoSaT Goten one-shots with the tiniest bit of effort.

What makes you think SSjin Goten is that strong? I'd put SSjin Goten and Trunks around Imperfect Cell at best.

I think SS Goten being Freeza's or Cell Jr.'s level both work just fine. Sparring with Gohan is not a direct indication in itself, since Goten would most likely try his hardest while Gohan would treat this like a sport, not to mention Gohan has been slacking off. Power inflation is really versatile.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

The only reason one would have to think Gohan would hold back while Goten would go all out is because the latter is a little kid, but that's not supported.

Dragon Ball's never followed the train of though that young = weak. It's always been the opposite.

[Hugo Boss]

I believe there is more than one reason, not that other people should think like me. Though, I didn't mean that reason specifically. Gohan realized Goten had power to compete with him, but is not like Gohan would fight Goten like he fought Cell. To add to the point that Gohan was rusty, subconsciously it's possible that Gohan doesn't put much of his power into mind. He always had trouble with it.

[dbzfan7]

I believe there is more than one reason, not that other people should think like me. Though, I didn't mean that reason specifically. Gohan realized Goten had power to compete with him, but is not like Gohan would fight Goten like he fought Cell. To add to the point that Gohan was rusty, subconsciously it's possible that Gohan doesn't put much of his power into mind. He always had trouble with it.

Not that disagree with Goten being not that far off from Goten, but I never saw Gohan actively try to punch Goten. He simply seemed to be on the defensive, and even then he struggled. He'd probably struggle less if he fought more offensively.