Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

[sintzu]

I doubt it, they aren't going to stop making multi billion yen earning movies just because of that.

Of course they're not going to stop for good but I can see them taking a little break out of respect to her and what she's done for the franchise.

I don't know about Toriyama though cause we don't know how close they are but hopefully he finishes this arc before any of the main cast pass away but knowing him this is probably going to be a long arc which is why I think they might put out 1 movie a year.

The Buu arc was the longest in the manga and that was when he wasn't having fun with the series while now he is so he probably has 10 or more stories in mind.

[Herms]

Alright, site updated with four, count 'em, four Bulma blog posts.

Going in reverse order, here's today's with Kazuya Takai:

Hey, Bulma here!
Just 26 days until the movie premieres!
Today we’ve got a comment from Kazuya Nakai, who voices one of the movie’s new characters, Tagoma!

I was really surprised when it was decided that I’d get a role in this new movie. Back during Jump Festa (December 20th, 2014) I still didn’t know anything about it, and when I was onstage I joked about how I’d like to play a new character…(laughs)

Originally I auditioned for a different role, but I was still satisfied to end up with Tagoma.

I’m in One Piece, and somehow it and Dragon Ball seem like they’re related in certain ways, and I feel an odd connection there myself.

There are bad guys who have something charming about them, so you don’t really hate them. But then there are bad guys who aren’t like that at all, ones you really hate. I think Freeza is one of those truly formidable enemies.

He may be strong, without any weak points, but more than that he’s scary. I feel like the really scary people are the ones who smile.

Despite being one of Freeza’s underlings, Tagoma really didn’t know just how strong Freeza truly was. So in a certain sense, I feel like he’s a stand-in for today’s kids who didn’t see the old TV series and so don’t know how powerful and scary Freeza is. I think we’ll all get to experience the terror of Freeza together.

Next, Bulma's totally shameless Jaco plug:

Hey, Bulma here!
Just 27 days to go until the premiere!

By the way, not to go totally off-topic or anything, but you guys all know I have an older sister, right?

What?! You’ve never heard of my sister Tights!??
Have you been living under a rock or something?!

Well, whatever.

Anyway, I have this sister, and way back when she happened to meet a weird alien! Thanks to her, I ended up meeting this alien too. “Jaco the galactic patrolman” was his name, and he called himself “super elite”. But somehow he didn’t really seem all that strong…

I wonder what corner of the universe he’s in these days, and what kind of hijinks he’s getting up to. Hopefully he’s not dead in a ditch somewhere!

But if ever the Earth is in danger, he’ll definitely come fight alongside Son-kun and the others, so everyone better give him your support.

Oh, if you want to know more about Jaco, you can read up on him here!

⇒ Jaco the Galactic Patrolman
http://www.s-manga.net/book/978-4-08-870892-8.html

Next, a look at the shenanigans over at Anime Japan 2015:

Hello, staff here.
Just 28 days left until the premiere!

Today at Anime Japan 2015, they held the “Tenkaichi Fan Meeting”!

1,000 fans came running to the assembly hall to cheer at the arrival of Masako Nozawa (Goku), Ryusei Nakao (Freeza), Ryo Horikawa (Vegeta), plus Masaharu Sato and Toshio Furukawa.

At the fan meeting, besides discussing highlights of the film and the script, lines from the film were performed for the first time outside the studio. Amidst all this, the Dachou Club acted as a pep squad for the film, and performed a “Kamehame-ya”! [Dachou (Ostrich) Club are a comedy trio; “ya” is one of their catchphrases]

The members of Dachou Club are all Dragon Ball fans, and they said they’re looking forward to seeing Goku power-up and fight in this new film. They performed a few jokes with Freeza, and the crowd went wild.

Finally they held a photo session with all the fans, and the fan meeting ended on a high note.

And last but not least, the wise words of Hikaru "Tenshinhan" Midorikawa:

Hey, Bulma here!
Just 29 days left until the movie premieres!
Today we’ve got a comment from the voice of Tenshinhan, Hikaru Midorikawa!

It’s been quite a while since the last one was on the air, so I thought “wow, they’re doing another movie!” The people who watched it back in the day are happy, but I’m sure there’ll also be people seeing Dragon Ball for the first time, so it’ll be interesting to see what kind of reaction this gets.

Since Akira Toriyama-sensei wrote the script this time around, I’m happy that my character got more to do than last time.

Obviously there’s no way for all the characters to get major roles in the fights, but I get the feeling people who like the old-school characters will enjoy this.

It’s the first story in a long time where I’ve gotten to fire the Kikoho; I think that Toriyama-sensei’s script has more charm because it includes lots of moments like that.

What’s more, I’ve got a different colored costume this time, so it was exciting to get something that wasn’t just the same as usual.

It reminds me of how exciting it was way back in the day when the Saiyans became Super Saiyans; things constantly changing is one of the things that makes Dragon Ball feel like Dragon Ball, so I hope people watch out for that.

Goku, Vegeta, and the rest of the gang are manga/anime characters, but even us voice artists have a profession that in a strange way seems to be confined to 2D; since we’re evolving too, I want to see Dragon Ball evolve as a whole.

As long as everyone cheers us on, we’ll do our best to keep climbing higher and higher, so please keep on supporting us.

[Bullza]

He may be friends with her but he probably wouldn't wanna give up on several big paychecks over it. It'd be a huge mistake to stop making them just for that especially when Goku could be replaced with a more fitting voice to boot.

I could see them taking a break if something were to happen to Toriyama sure but Nozawa? Nah.

But Nozawa is the most fitting voice for Goku in fact the only voice for Goku.

Toriyama is set for life.. I really doubt he is getting all that much for these latest movies in regards with how much he already makes yearly from the franchise... Remember after GT ended we didn't get anything until "YO Son Goku and his friends return" what... 11 years after?

It's only the only voice for Goku because it's the only one he's had in Japan. They could certainly find someone better than the prepubescent/granny sounding Goku they've got now.

I'd imagine that Toriyama's money has probably decreased over the past decade or so being as he doesn't really do that much these days so its probably a good payday for him every couple years.

[ZazamPow]

Here's a rule to live by; no matter HOW good someone is in a role, there is ALWAYS going to be someone out there who can do it better. ALWAYS. An actor can do the most magnificent job the world has ever seen, and yet there's still likely someone out there who could have been better. No disrespect to Nozawa, she is the quintessential Goku, and that's coming from a dub guy, but recasting her shouldn't be impossible. It's not like Goku is a very complex character to portray.

I can see them taking their time with the next movie if Nozawa passes, but it likely wouldn't be the end of the series.

Now let's just pray that Nozawa doesn't pass and my theory never gets tested

[JamesOwnz]

He may be friends with her but he probably wouldn't wanna give up on several big paychecks over it. It'd be a huge mistake to stop making them just for that especially when Goku could be replaced with a more fitting voice to boot.

I could see them taking a break if something were to happen to Toriyama sure but Nozawa? Nah.

But Nozawa is the most fitting voice for Goku in fact the only voice for Goku.

Toriyama is set for life.. I really doubt he is getting all that much for these latest movies in regards with how much he already makes yearly from the franchise... Remember after GT ended we didn't get anything until "YO Son Goku and his friends return" what... 11 years after?

It's only the only voice for Goku because it's the only one he's had in Japan. They could certainly find someone better than the prepubescent/granny sounding Goku they've got now.

I'd imagine that Toriyama's money has probably decreased over the past decade or so being as he doesn't really do that much these days so its probably a good payday for him every couple years.

Can't really see his money decreasing.. he gets big royalty cheques every year if he were really hurt up for money he'd just continue the manga again.

There will be a big break when shes passes.

[ZazamPow]

Toriyama likely isn't low on money at all, but the guy isn't a billionaire. Who would say no to more money?

[sintzu]

the people who say Vegeta shouldn't be the hero for once, listen

There's nothing anyone can say that'll change their minds.

So he wants Vegeta to get the new form and beat Freeza ? The way he says it sounds more like a hint to it happening.

[Low Tone G]

What's your opinion of Toriyama's recent comment as it was easy to made up this story with Freeza, does that mean that he is lazy to come up with something new and refeshing?

[dbzfan7]

What's your opinion of Toriyama's recent comment as it was easy to made up this story with Freeza, does that mean that he is lazy to come up with something new and refeshing?

Nah I don't think so. Just that it's a character he's more familiar with, so it's easier to write around him. I do think it's kinda lazy to just reuse the character in Dragon Ball media for the 6th time, but I doubt that's what he's trying to say.

[sintzu]

What's your opinion of Toriyama's recent comment as it was easy to made up this story with Freeza, does that mean that he is lazy to come up with something new and refeshing?

It means that he wants to give closure to characters he didn't in the manga.

When he re-read the manga he probably noticed that Freeza was the only main villain who didn't die in an epic death battle and Vegeta was the only main character to not take down a main villain so he decided to give both what they deserved before moving onto new things like the 12 universes.

[Vaughngief]

Toriyama likely isn't low on money at all, but the guy isn't a billionaire. Who would say no to more money?

No one, but I don't think Toriyama would have done all he has in recent years if he didn't think it was good enough to be shown. From reading Jaco and watching Battle of Gods I can tell he's having fun with his work again.

[bubibartra]

Unlikely. He's just not one of the very evil ones. If we took that wish at face value, that would mean any person who's wicked or something like a robber or burglar would remain dead. Literally if you had any sort of wicked thought, you wouldn't be brought back. Hence the wish was for "Only the very evil ones". Vegeta just isn't a very evil person anymore. Even after sacrificing himself he still went to hell and for good reason. Vegeta has no care for the earthlings in general. He isn't someone who'd bat an eye if a city were wiped out. He hasn't done anything bad, but he doesn't look to do good either. Dude is still going to hell just like before.

I think the wish and Goku's words made it pretty clear that Toriyama was saying Vegeta wouldn't be doomed to hell. I mean you can analyze things and break it down to theorize something different but... I doubt that's what Toriyama had in mind.

That's what makes Vegeta special. Even if he does good, he knows his end will not be a pleasant one. Vegeta I doubt would even apologize for when he attacked earth and killed everyone. If Tenshinhan or Yamcha asked for an apology, Vegeta wouldn't give them one. Vegeta at no point is trying to actively be a better person, just to live in peace. He isn't thinking about protecting people from bad guys, or the lives of humans. He only thinks about his own life, and his own goals. I'd be surprised if Vegeta was the one to suggest taking a conflict away from humans. He would if it's his son or wife, but for anyone else he's not going to care. He won't go out of his way to kill someone, and might avoid killing humans by accident, but he wouldn't feel bad about that.

confuses the concept of heaven of dragon ball with the Christian heaven,

in dragon ball is considered the actions, emma's opinion, God´s general opinions and the future of world of deaths and alive, and the live and death as warrior

Emma gives a body to vegeta for help save the universe, Vegeta risks his existence and fulfills its mission, if then continues to save the universe/earth no one expects vegeta go begging apologizes and praying

actions, reliability and review of Gods/Emma is what decides the fate after the death, no concept of atonement.

Toriyama and the japaneses are shinto, dragon ball have shinto and buddhist conceptions: Kamis, hell/yomi + reencarnation for bad boys, NO body for the common good people (kami status), especial destination for warriors... the warrior are privilegiated. Not good people are privilegiated, good warriors are privilegiated.

Vegeta is a warrior and the warriors are judge for his actions as warriors and for his honorability not for traditional christian concepctions

[dbzfan7]

confuses the concept sheaven of dragon ball with the Christian heaven,

in dragon ball is considered the actions, emma's opinion, God´s general opinions and the future of world od deaths and alive

Emma gives a body to vegeta for help save the universe, Vegeta risks his existence and fulfills its mission, if then continues to save the universe/earth no one expects vegeta go begging apologizes and praying

actions, reliability and review of Gods/Emma is what decides the fate after the death, no concept of atonement.

Toriyama and the japaneses are shinto, dragon ball have shinto and budist conceptions: Kamis, hell/yomi + reencarnation for bad boys, NO body for the common good people (kami status), especial destination for warriors, ...

Vegeta is a warrior and the warriors are judge for his actions as warriors

Care for a little grammar rework their pal?

Anyways the point is he doesn't give a crap about saving people. He just so happens to do that while fighting strong guys. Doesn't mean he's intends to be some saviour. Even when he revives he at first refuses to fuse with Goku. Later on he crushes his potara earring even though at the moment there's no guarantee he and Goku could win without it. All this cause of his pride. Then he and Goku refuse the potara again in a battle that nearly cost the fate of the universe. So yeah if he was thinking of common good he'd have never done these things. Vegeta's not a totally evil person, but he's not exactly someone I'd label as good either. He's the neutral anti hero.

[bubibartra]

confuses the concept sheaven of dragon ball with the Christian heaven,

in dragon ball is considered the actions, emma's opinion, God´s general opinions and the future of world od deaths and alive

Emma gives a body to vegeta for help save the universe, Vegeta risks his existence and fulfills its mission, if then continues to save the universe/earth no one expects vegeta go begging apologizes and praying

actions, reliability and review of Gods/Emma is what decides the fate after the death, no concept of atonement.

Toriyama and the japaneses are shinto, dragon ball have shinto and budist conceptions: Kamis, hell/yomi + reencarnation for bad boys, NO body for the common good people (kami status), especial destination for warriors, ...

Vegeta is a warrior and the warriors are judge for his actions as warriors

Care for a little grammar rework their pal?

Anyways the point is he doesn't give a crap about saving people. He just so happens to do that while fighting strong guys. Doesn't mean he's intends to be some saviour. Even when he revives he at first refuses to fuse with Goku. Later on he crushes his potara earring even though at the moment there's no guarantee he and Goku could win without it. All this cause of his pride. Then he and Goku refuse the potara again in a battle that nearly cost the fate of the universe. So yeah if he was thinking of common good he'd have never done these things. Vegeta's not a totally evil person, but he's not exactly someone I'd label as good either. He's the neutral anti hero.

I don´tt say that Vegeta is traditionally good guy. He´s not,

only that the traditional concept of who goes to heaven or hell in Japanese culture is different. Actions and honorability in on the top not repentance and ask forgiveness.

The Gods also have plenty to say, not system so rigid in terms of being a traditional good person.

[dbzfan7]

confuses the concept sheaven of dragon ball with the Christian heaven,

in dragon ball is considered the actions, emma's opinion, God´s general opinions and the future of world od deaths and alive

Emma gives a body to vegeta for help save the universe, Vegeta risks his existence and fulfills its mission, if then continues to save the universe/earth no one expects vegeta go begging apologizes and praying

actions, reliability and review of Gods/Emma is what decides the fate after the death, no concept of atonement.

Toriyama and the japaneses are shinto, dragon ball have shinto and budist conceptions: Kamis, hell/yomi + reencarnation for bad boys, NO body for the common good people (kami status), especial destination for warriors, ...

Vegeta is a warrior and the warriors are judge for his actions as warriors

Care for a little grammar rework their pal?

Anyways the point is he doesn't give a crap about saving people. He just so happens to do that while fighting strong guys. Doesn't mean he's intends to be some saviour. Even when he revives he at first refuses to fuse with Goku. Later on he crushes his potara earring even though at the moment there's no guarantee he and Goku could win without it. All this cause of his pride. Then he and Goku refuse the potara again in a battle that nearly cost the fate of the universe. So yeah if he was thinking of common good he'd have never done these things. Vegeta's not a totally evil person, but he's not exactly someone I'd label as good either. He's the neutral anti hero.

I don´tt say that Vegeta is traditionally good guy. He´s not,

only that the traditional concept of who goes to heaven or hell in Japanese culture is different. Actions and honorability in on the top not repentance and ask forgiveness.

The goods also have plenty to say, not system so rigid in terms of being a traditional good person.

It's pretty simple. Vegeta was going to save the universe technically by committing suicide, and that still wasn't enough to keep him out of hell. That was an interesting plot point as well as showing how brave Vegeta is. He'd stare hell in the face and lose his identity to save his own family. He was wished back on a wish that stated to not bring back the "Very evil ones." If people honestly take that wish to mean to only bring back good people, then small time criminals who haven't done anything that horrible would remain dead. Our heroes would doom anyone who isn't a model citizen to a permanent death.

I can totally see Vegeta going to heaven as Bardock himself was re-written into a nicer chap. He originally didn't give two shits about Goku, then in minus he seemed to care a lot more. Saiyans are beginning to become a not so evil race after all.

[bubibartra]

It's pretty simple. Vegeta was going to save the universe technically by committing suicide, and that still wasn't enough to keep him out of hell. That was an interesting plot point as well as showing how brave Vegeta is. He'd stare hell in the face and lose his identity to save his own family. He was wished back on a wish that stated to not bring back the "Very evil ones." If people honestly take that wish to mean to only bring back good people, then small time criminals who haven't done anything that horrible would remain dead. Our heroes would doom anyone who isn't a model citizen to a permanent death.

I can totally see Vegeta going to heaven as Bardock himself was re-written into a nicer chap. He originally didn't give two shits about Goku, then in minus he seemed to care a lot more. Saiyans are beginning to become a not so evil race after all.

just before commite suicide Vegeta had killed a lot of people

then insufficient but it´s not a final decision or irrevocable judgment that can´t change with future actions,

if we add everything that happened after the balance of actions changes

[dbzfan7]

It's pretty simple. Vegeta was going to save the universe technically by committing suicide, and that still wasn't enough to keep him out of hell. That was an interesting plot point as well as showing how brave Vegeta is. He'd stare hell in the face and lose his identity to save his own family. He was wished back on a wish that stated to not bring back the "Very evil ones." If people honestly take that wish to mean to only bring back good people, then small time criminals who haven't done anything that horrible would remain dead. Our heroes would doom anyone who isn't a model citizen to a permanent death.

I can totally see Vegeta going to heaven as Bardock himself was re-written into a nicer chap. He originally didn't give two shits about Goku, then in minus he seemed to care a lot more. Saiyans are beginning to become a not so evil race after all.

just before commite suicide Vegeta had killed a lot of people

then insufficient then but it´s not a final decision or irrevocable judgament that can´t change with future actions,

if we add everything that happened after the balance of actions changes

Please read and edit your posts, I can barely comprehend them. Rule 2 of Kanzenshuu is proper grammar.

From what I can make out, I'll say this. Vegeta may have killed people before his suicide, but he'd be saving a universe's amount of people in the process of his last resort. Basically his suicide would have saved a countless multitude of the people he killed. You could multiply the small amount of people he killed by several trillions, and not count how many people Vegeta's suicide could have logically saved. However that fact doesn't matter anyways as it doesn't fix his past deeds. Neither does any of his newer actions IMO. Hence when I say even if he's saving more people, that shouldn't just forgive his past actions. He has yet to properly atone for those.

[Low Tone G]

What's your opinion of Toriyama's recent comment as it was easy to made up this story with Freeza, does that mean that he is lazy to come up with something new and refeshing?

Nah I don't think so. Just that it's a character he's more familiar with, so it's easier to write around him. I do think it's kinda lazy to just reuse the character in Dragon Ball media for the 6th time, but I doubt that's what he's trying to say.

Of course that he did't shame himself to admit it, but it's kinda obvious that he didn't bother to invent a new character(s).

[dbzfan7]

What's your opinion of Toriyama's recent comment as it was easy to made up this story with Freeza, does that mean that he is lazy to come up with something new and refeshing?

Nah I don't think so. Just that it's a character he's more familiar with, so it's easier to write around him. I do think it's kinda lazy to just reuse the character in Dragon Ball media for the 6th time, but I doubt that's what he's trying to say.

Of course that he did't shame himself to admit it, but it's kinda obvious that he didn't bother to invent a new character(s).

Makes me wonder if he had an idea for the 12 universes, if this movie will mention that, or if that was just a factoid that will never be explored.

[CM101Play]

What's your opinion of Toriyama's recent comment as it was easy to made up this story with Freeza, does that mean that he is lazy to come up with something new and refeshing?

Nah I don't think so. Just that it's a character he's more familiar with, so it's easier to write around him. I do think it's kinda lazy to just reuse the character in Dragon Ball media for the 6th time, but I doubt that's what he's trying to say.

Of course that he did't shame himself to admit it, but it's kinda obvious that he didn't bother to invent a new character(s).

That isn't really fair. You act like he sat down and said "I could write something new, or I could write Frieza...hmmm, I'm too lazy to write something new."

I hate how the term lazy gets thrown around. It isn't lazy to bring back an old character. AT got the inspiration for another movie via the song about Frieza, right? It isn't like he chose not to do something new because he didn't feel like doing the work.