"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

Discussion specifically regarding the "Dragon Ball Super" TV series premiering July 2015 in Japan, including individual threads for each episode.
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Re: Official Announcement Thread & Discussion

Post by TekTheNinja » Fri Jun 03, 2016 12:19 am

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LightBing wrote:So much pessimism... It's a bit disheartening and makes me wonder what some people get off this show, if they don't even sit back and wonder what might be with an open mind. There's a difference between suspicious and stereotyping.
Hey if this arc is truly good then you'll have praise me the shit out of it right now I'm going with the mindset that this arc is gonna be shit /decent at best until super show s otherwise.
Same here man. I don't want to go in expecting something good like with the last arcs because I only got more disappointed when they sucked.
Piccolo dying wasn't even dark in the slightest and didn't even mean absolute shit heck I forgot he even died gohan torture lacked blood to make it feel like a dark moment don't give two shit about tagoma considering super wasted him like trash.
Funny. I practically responded the same way. :lol:

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Re: Official Announcement Thread & Discussion

Post by Saikyo no Senshi » Fri Jun 03, 2016 12:26 am

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alakazam^ wrote:Why should Toriyama do something with it?
Because it would be interesting and actually develop Goku a bit. Why else?
Gokuu doesn't need development he is perfectly fine. Gokuu is a perfect example of "something should never change".

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Re: Official Announcement Thread & Discussion

Post by alakazam^ » Fri Jun 03, 2016 12:34 am

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alakazam^ wrote:Why should Toriyama do something with it?
Because it would be interesting and actually develop Goku a bit. Why else?
a successful movie like Fukkatsu no F
Just because something is successful doesn't mean it's good.
Goku's personality has been pointed out in the manga several times and, if it didn't go beyond it, it's because it doesn't need to.
Implying Toriyama is ALWAYS right?
an issue only you have
This is simply not true.
The way he wrote made it seem he wants Goku to be punished because of his personality and all his points boiled down to that, even relating F being "a piece of crap" with them not addresing that "issue". If that was his intention then it wasn't out of interest to develop Goku or make stuff "interesting", it wasn't a serious argument at all.

No, it means it is successful. But how would you classify a movie that got leaked early and still made lots of money for everybody involved? Bad? I don't think so. Opinions are fine but these are the facts so blanket statements like that don't really hold any water.

Yes. As the creator, Toriyama is always right. He's the one calling all the shots so whatever he says, goes. Arguing otherwise is, frankly, a waste of time because, at the end of the day, whatever he puts out is the final product and, whether people liked it or not, they still have to deal with it being a thing. If whatever Toriyama creates makes people drop the series that's his problem, we don't get to tell him what to do. If he didn't feel the need to address Goku's actions (even though he already did several times) then it's because that's not something that needs addressing.
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Re: Official Announcement Thread & Discussion

Post by TekTheNinja » Fri Jun 03, 2016 12:42 am

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TekTheNinja wrote:
alakazam^ wrote:Why should Toriyama do something with it?
Because it would be interesting and actually develop Goku a bit. Why else?
Gokuu doesn't need development he is perfectly fine. Gokuu is a perfect example of "something should never change".

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No. Just no. Characters, like real people, all should develop. If they refuse to try and improve themselves they just look like asshats. And that's what recent Goku is. An asshat.
Yes. As the creator, Toriyama is always right. He's the one calling all the shots so whatever he says, goes. Arguing otherwise is, frankly, a waste of time because, at the end of the day, whatever he puts out is the final product and, whether people liked it or not, they still have to deal with it being a thing. If whatever Toriyama creates makes people drop the series that's his problem, we don't get to tell him what to do. If he didn't feel the need to address Goku's actions (even though he already did several times) then it's because that's not something that needs addressing.
You misunderstand. Obviously he gets to MAKE the decisions, but just because he's the creator doesn't mean they're GOOD decisions. What you're saying is like saying:

"Well, if George Lucas thinks changing his movies to add in crappy cgi and shit is good idea, then it must be a good idea. The creator is always right."

NO! The creator is NOT always right. Creators aren't some godly beings who always do what's best for their stories. They often drop the ball and make mistakes, or completely miss out on great opportunities.

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Re: Official Announcement Thread & Discussion

Post by Xeztin » Fri Jun 03, 2016 12:59 am

I thought everyone would snarl at the thought of an evil Goku being official, since most said it was a poor fan idea or has been overdone to death. It seem's there are no boundaries or "corny" idea's with our Toriyama. :D

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Re: Official Announcement Thread & Discussion

Post by pacz360 » Fri Jun 03, 2016 1:04 am

Xeztin wrote:I thought everyone would snarl at the thought of an evil Goku being official, since most said it was a poor fan idea or has been overdone to death. It seem's there are no boundaries or "corny" idea's with our Toriyama. :D
Most people are just waiting on how this plays out now before further judgement

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Re: Official Announcement Thread & Discussion

Post by Kagari » Fri Jun 03, 2016 1:05 am

pacz360 wrote:
Xeztin wrote:I thought everyone would snarl at the thought of an evil Goku being official, since most said it was a poor fan idea or has been overdone to death. It seem's there are no boundaries or "corny" idea's with our Toriyama. :D
Most people are just waiting on how this plays out now before further judgement
Pretty much. We don't know anything about him yet.

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Re: Official Announcement Thread & Discussion

Post by Xeztin » Fri Jun 03, 2016 1:16 am

Kagari wrote:
pacz360 wrote:
Xeztin wrote:I thought everyone would snarl at the thought of an evil Goku being official, since most said it was a poor fan idea or has been overdone to death. It seem's there are no boundaries or "corny" idea's with our Toriyama. :D
Most people are just waiting on how this plays out now before further judgement
Pretty much. We don't know anything about him yet.
I'm hoping this future deal is a rewrite of GT, I really want to see a redesign, renamed or whatever SSJ4 vs SSJB.

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Re: Official Announcement Thread & Discussion

Post by Araki » Fri Jun 03, 2016 1:20 am

TekTheNinja wrote:Which even the characters are barely phased by, so why should we care as an audience?
I could say the exact same thing for the moment "where we found out Goku stomped his grandfather to death" that some people are trying to make sound hilariously more dark and dramatic than it actually was, here. It was just a couple lines and there was no attempt of making too much out of it. A passerby would think we see Goku stomping his grandfather screaming in despair while blood splatters all over, then the cast goes through a breakdown.

In fact even when Goku learns about it many years later, it's quickly shoved aside and results in...nothing. This just shows how biased people can be.
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Re: Official Announcement Thread & Discussion

Post by alakazam^ » Fri Jun 03, 2016 1:23 am

TekTheNinja wrote:You misunderstand. Obviously he gets to MAKE the decisions, but just because he's the creator doesn't mean they're GOOD decisions. What you're saying is like saying:

"Well, if George Lucas thinks changing his movies to add in crappy cgi and shit is good idea, then it must be a good idea. The creator is always right."

NO! The creator is NOT always right. Creators aren't some godly beings who always do what's best for their stories. They often drop the ball and make mistakes, or completely miss out on great opportunities.
I did say that if the fans don't like his work and drop the series, that's his problem. What he gives us is the best he could do in that moment of time and it won't please everyone anyway. In that regard, he makes the decisions he feels are right and that's what ultimately counts because, whatever it is, it will exist and people will have to deal what what is and not what it could have been. Who's to say what's best for a story? Isn't that when the author is pleased with the outcome?

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Re: Official Announcement Thread & Discussion

Post by dbzfan7 » Fri Jun 03, 2016 1:24 am

Araki wrote:
TekTheNinja wrote:Which even the characters are barely phased by, so why should we care as an audience?
I could say the exact same thing for the moment "where we found out Goku stomped his grandfather to death" that some people are trying to make sound hilariously more dark and dramatic than it actually was, here. It was just a couple lines and there was no attempt of making too much out of it.

In fact even when Goku learns about it many years later, it's quickly shoved aside. This just shows how biased people can be.
Well no it's hard to give a crap about that because we don't know what Gohan was like til later. So someone we didn't know and had no attachment to died.
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Re: Official Announcement Thread & Discussion

Post by Araki » Fri Jun 03, 2016 1:26 am

dbzfan7 wrote:Well no it's hard to give a crap about that because we don't know what Gohan was like til later. So someone we didn't know and had no attachment to died.
Well, yeah, i'm just saying it's very hard to call that a "dark and dramatic moment" when it wasn't like that at all, and that was not Toriyama's intent at the moment anyway.

If that's the standard for "dark", then Super got plenty of dark moments. Hell, even Beerus exploding planets and killing civilizations at the beginning is worse.
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Re: Official Announcement Thread & Discussion

Post by dbzfan7 » Fri Jun 03, 2016 1:29 am

Araki wrote:
dbzfan7 wrote:Well no it's hard to give a crap about that because we don't know what Gohan was like til later. So someone we didn't know and had no attachment to died.
Well, yeah, i'm just saying it's very hard to call that a "dark and dramatic moment" when it wasn't like that at all, and that was not Toriyama's intent at the moment anyway.
Well it is a dark moment. It just has no weight to it because we didn't get to know Gohan at all. It's dark in context, but not so much in execution. Like how Beerus killing half a planet was dark in context, but hilarious in execution instead of feeling grim.
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Re: Official Announcement Thread & Discussion

Post by Chuquita » Fri Jun 03, 2016 1:35 am

News article about the arc: http://m.mantan-web.jp/article/20160603 ... 0000c.html

It's beyond my translation skill level, so I'm gonna wait and hope someone will translate it.
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Post by Kagari » Fri Jun 03, 2016 1:39 am

Chuquita wrote:News article about the arc: http://m.mantan-web.jp/article/20160603 ... 0000c.html

It's beyond my translation skill level, so I'm gonna wait and hope someone will translate it.
It talks about the new main visual of the Future Trunks arc. The new chapter that takes place following the tournament with Universe 6 features Trunks from the future. In the visual you can see Trunks, who is all beat up along with a person who looks similar to Goku and Mai from the Pilaf gang.

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Re: Official Announcement Thread & Discussion

Post by Chuquita » Fri Jun 03, 2016 1:49 am

Kagari wrote:
Chuquita wrote:News article about the arc: http://m.mantan-web.jp/article/20160603 ... 0000c.html

It's beyond my translation skill level, so I'm gonna wait and hope someone will translate it.
It talks about the new main visual of the Future Trunks arc. The new chapter that takes place following the tournament with Universe 6 features Trunks from the future. In the visual you can see Trunks, who is all beat up along with a person who looks similar to Goku and Mai from the Pilaf gang.
The sentences I'm most curious about are:
未来のブルマは、過去世界の悟空やベジータの力を借りようと決意するが、半年かけてタイムマシンの片道分の燃料を集めた時、ブルマとトランクスの前に、強敵・ブラックが立ちはだかる。
And:
悟空やベジータも大苦戦が強いられる絶体絶命の連続の中で、未来から来たトランクスとまさか(?)の大活躍をするマイにも、ぜひともご期待ください!!」と話している。
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Post by Kagari » Fri Jun 03, 2016 2:05 am

Ah sorry I only noticed the first part. Hold on.

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Post by Chuquita » Fri Jun 03, 2016 2:10 am

Kagari wrote:Ah sorry I only noticed the first part. Hold on.
Thank you!!

*Holds on in anticipation.*
I saw "Future Bulma" along with Gokû and Vegeta and something about the time machine's fuel.
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Re: Official Announcement Thread & Discussion

Post by HECTOR4 » Fri Jun 03, 2016 2:12 am

Can someone translate this, please? This contains comments from the producer of Fuji TV Makoto Nozaki:

http://natalie.mu/comic/news/189529

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Re: Official Announcement Thread & Discussion

Post by ArchedThunder » Fri Jun 03, 2016 2:17 am

HECTOR4 wrote:Can someone translate this, please? This contains comments from the producer of Fuji TV Makoto Nozaki:

http://natalie.mu/comic/news/189529
From what I can gather from Google translate going back in time might be Bulma's idea but then that sentence ends with a "but...", as if something happens.
It also mentions that the atmosphere is different from Super up to this point and it will be on a cosmic scale across time and space.

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