Favorite English voice for Kid Goku?

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Re: Favorite English voice for Kid Goku?

Post by gohann » Mon Mar 23, 2015 1:16 pm

Singh is King wrote: Two performances would suggest the contrary and are still horrid to this day in the English Dub of Kai (despite most being quite good): Sean Schemmel's King Kai and Chris Sabat's Recoome. Experience doesn't necessarily guarantee a performance will be better, though often it is a good indicator that the actor is well trained and professional, therefore suitable for the work.
They're both good actors, but those two in particular are horrid, even more so than ever. Listen to Xenoverse Recoome. UGH!

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Re: Favorite English voice for Kid Goku?

Post by Dbzfan94 » Mon Mar 23, 2015 1:24 pm

Nadolny hands down for me. She is Kid Goku / Kid Gohan in my eyes

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Re: Favorite English voice for Kid Goku?

Post by ABED » Mon Mar 23, 2015 3:37 pm

Colleen Clinkenbeard's Kid Gohan sounds too much like her Luffy as a kid to me- while she's my favorite Kid Gohan, she definitely isn't the best dub Kid Goku: it's not very distinctive, to begin with, but she sounds like she has a sore throat at times as well. Now don't get me wrong, I actually love most of Colleen's Clinkenbeard's work, but this wasn't one of her better roles.
Why is this a disqualifying factor? The fact that you say it sounds like she has a sore throat makes me think you've never heard it. Sore throat causes voices to be scratchy and affect energy in the voice, neither of present with Clinkenbeard.
Two performances would suggest the contrary and are still horrid to this day in the English Dub of Kai (despite most being quite good): Sean Schemmel's King Kai and Chris Sabat's Recoome. Experience doesn't necessarily guarantee a performance will be better, though often it is a good indicator that the actor is well trained and professional, therefore suitable for the work.
Schemmel's King Kai has improved a little, especially since the beginning.
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Re: Favorite English voice for Kid Goku?

Post by gohann » Mon Mar 23, 2015 3:40 pm

ABED wrote: Schemmel's King Kai has improved a little, especially since the beginning.
How exactly? From what I heard, King Kai is more screechy, scratchy, and ear-grating than ever before. He can't emote properly, he just puts on an over-the-top goofy voice.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1A49UUIEKE

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Re: Favorite English voice for Kid Goku?

Post by ABED » Mon Mar 23, 2015 3:42 pm

gohann wrote:
ABED wrote: Schemmel's King Kai has improved a little, especially since the beginning.
How exactly? From what I heard, King Kai is more screechy, scratchy, and ear-grating than ever before.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1A49UUIEKE
Did you ever hear his first performances as Kaio? The voice has always been an issue, but it was even worse back then. At least now it sounds like he's leaning into it instead of being unsure of a silly sounding voice.
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Re: Favorite English voice for Kid Goku?

Post by gohann » Mon Mar 23, 2015 3:45 pm

I have heard his initial King Kai voice. It still sucked, it was too garbly and mumbled back then, but nowhere near the unbearable levels he's reached in Kai.

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Re: Favorite English voice for Kid Goku?

Post by ABED » Mon Mar 23, 2015 3:49 pm

gohann wrote:I have heard his initial King Kai voice. It still sucked, it was too garbly and mumbled back then, but nowhere near the unbearable levels he's reached in Kai.
I disagree, it was worse then. It was the same voice but with far less experience and ability. It's not great now, but at least now Sean can express different emotions better in the silly voice.
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Re: Favorite English voice for Kid Goku?

Post by Singh is King » Mon Mar 23, 2015 4:02 pm

gohann wrote:
Singh is King wrote: Two performances would suggest the contrary and are still horrid to this day in the English Dub of Kai (despite most being quite good): Sean Schemmel's King Kai and Chris Sabat's Recoome. Experience doesn't necessarily guarantee a performance will be better, though often it is a good indicator that the actor is well trained and professional, therefore suitable for the work.
They're both good actors, but those two in particular are horrid, even more so than ever. Listen to Xenoverse Recoome. UGH!
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Re: Favorite English voice for Kid Goku?

Post by Singh is King » Mon Mar 23, 2015 4:05 pm

ABED wrote:
Colleen Clinkenbeard's Kid Gohan sounds too much like her Luffy as a kid to me- while she's my favorite Kid Gohan, she definitely isn't the best dub Kid Goku: it's not very distinctive, to begin with, but she sounds like she has a sore throat at times as well. Now don't get me wrong, I actually love most of Colleen's Clinkenbeard's work, but this wasn't one of her better roles.
Why is this a disqualifying factor? The fact that you say it sounds like she has a sore throat makes me think you've never heard it. Sore throat causes voices to be scratchy and affect energy in the voice, neither of present with Clinkenbeard.
Two performances would suggest the contrary and are still horrid to this day in the English Dub of Kai (despite most being quite good): Sean Schemmel's King Kai and Chris Sabat's Recoome. Experience doesn't necessarily guarantee a performance will be better, though often it is a good indicator that the actor is well trained and professional, therefore suitable for the work.
Schemmel's King Kai has improved a little, especially since the beginning.
It's a disqualifying factor because it sounds rougher and more forced than Nadolny's Kid Goku or Saffron's Kid Goku to me: the fact that you assume I didn't watch the 2010 Redub of the Curse of the Blood Rubies before commenting makes me feel offended, but to each their own- you like it, more power to you, but I didn't like it as much as Nadolny, and some posters here share the same opinion apparently.

I'd also have to agree with Gohann and AttitudeFan that Sean's King Kai is much more obnoxious now in Kai than it was in Z: in Z, he sounded garbled to a degree, but later in Cell and Buu FUNi Z his voice got clearer and more wise sounding. Unfortunately, in remastered, it got worse and completely garbled, and in Kai, it's at its worst yet: I can't even stand listening to him talk sometimes with how grating it sounds.

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Re: Favorite English voice for Kid Goku?

Post by gohann » Mon Mar 23, 2015 4:16 pm

Singh is King wrote: It's a disqualifying factor because it sounds rougher and more forced than Nadolny's Kid Goku or Saffron's Kid Goku to me: the fact that you assume I didn't watch the 2010 Redub of the Curse of the Blood Rubies before commenting makes me feel offended, but to each their own- you like it, more power to you, but I didn't like it as much as Nadolny, and some posters here share the same opinion apparently.
No English dub Goku has ever measured up to Stephanie Nadolny, but Colleen Clinkenbeard doesn't even come close. As you said, it's too forced. This entire scene in particular is just awful: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izhxWJNzaow

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Re: Favorite English voice for Kid Goku?

Post by Singh is King » Mon Mar 23, 2015 4:21 pm

gohann wrote:
Singh is King wrote: It's a disqualifying factor because it sounds rougher and more forced than Nadolny's Kid Goku or Saffron's Kid Goku to me: the fact that you assume I didn't watch the 2010 Redub of the Curse of the Blood Rubies before commenting makes me feel offended, but to each their own- you like it, more power to you, but I didn't like it as much as Nadolny, and some posters here share the same opinion apparently.
No English dub Goku has ever measured up to Stephanie Nadolny, but Colleen Clinkenbeard doesn't even come close. As you said, it's too forced. This entire scene in particular is just awful: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izhxWJNzaow
That almost sounded like FUNimation grown up Luffy yelling at the start...yeah, I'm in agreement with you yet again on the performance.

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Re: Favorite English voice for Kid Goku?

Post by gohann » Mon Mar 23, 2015 4:23 pm

Singh is King wrote:
gohann wrote:
Singh is King wrote: It's a disqualifying factor because it sounds rougher and more forced than Nadolny's Kid Goku or Saffron's Kid Goku to me: the fact that you assume I didn't watch the 2010 Redub of the Curse of the Blood Rubies before commenting makes me feel offended, but to each their own- you like it, more power to you, but I didn't like it as much as Nadolny, and some posters here share the same opinion apparently.
No English dub Goku has ever measured up to Stephanie Nadolny, but Colleen Clinkenbeard doesn't even come close. As you said, it's too forced. This entire scene in particular is just awful: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izhxWJNzaow
That almost sounded like FUNimation grown up Luffy yelling at the start...yeah, I'm in agreement with you yet again on the performance.
Not to mention the first half sounds more like a temper tantrum than any sort of battle cry.
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Re: Favorite English voice for Kid Goku?

Post by KaiserNeko » Mon Mar 23, 2015 4:34 pm

I love Colleen Clinkebeard. She's unbelievably talented, she has some of the best range at Funimation, and she's given fantastic performance after fantastic performance.

... not a huge fan of her Gohan or Goku. I absolutely prefer her over Nadolny, for Gohan, but I actually am at odds with her as Goku. I honestly don't believe Nadolny is a decent actress, but her Goku had a quality about it that worked rather often. Colleen's actually just comes off as too generic for me.

I much prefer her as 18 over Meredeth McCoy, considering Meredeth's stilted delivery and overly masculine tone just didn't match up to Colleen's much more believable acting and strong, feminine charm.

As for the best English Goku? I'd love to hear more of Barbara Goodson or Brianne Siddall, as heard here:
http://www.behindthevoiceactors.com/voi ... /Kid-Goku/
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Post by Lord Beerus » Mon Mar 23, 2015 5:15 pm

Saffron Henderson is my favorite Kid Goku, bar none. Colleen's Kid Goku still has room for improvement but it's a step in the right direction and I thought that the overly raspy souding nature of Stephanie Nadolny's Kid Goku was grating at times.

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Post by voltlunok » Mon Mar 23, 2015 7:55 pm

Throw my hat in with Nadolny!
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Re: Favorite English voice for Kid Goku?

Post by ABED » Mon Mar 23, 2015 8:30 pm

I didn't say all of Z, I said the beginning. In the very beginning, Sean's Kaio sounded so god awful.
Not to mention the first half sounds more like a temper tantrum than any sort of battle cry.
Yeah, let's judge an entire performance on a battle cry, which you are overstating how bad it is by the way.

Forced? You use that word, I do not think it means what you think it means. Few actors sound as forced as Nadolny. There's nothing remotely natural about her performance. Show me where she sounds like a normal person. I can't fathom why so many don't agree that Nadolny's inflections aren't natural.

Regarding the disqualifying factor comment, I meant why does her sounding like Luffy matter?
I can't even stand listening to him talk sometimes with how grating it sounds.
Exactly like how I feel when I hear Nadolny. Clinkenbeard did one movie and she's the type of actress that gets better. Nadolny had over 100 episodes and she was terrible in all of them.
Saffron Henderson is my favorite Kid Goku, bar none. Colleen's Kid Goku still has room for improvement but it's a step in the right direction and I thought that the overly raspy souding nature of Stephanie Nadolny's Kid Goku was grating at times.
My thoughts exactly.
I much prefer her as 18 over Meredeth McCoy, considering Meredeth's stilted delivery and overly masculine tone just didn't match up to Colleen's much more believable acting and strong, feminine charm.
Deep, sure, but not masculine.
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Re: Favorite English voice for Kid Goku?

Post by Kakacarrottop » Mon Mar 23, 2015 8:37 pm

Henderson, Nadolny and the Blue Water actress are all good, although for some reason i couldn't stand Nadolny as GT kid Goku. The worst would be Peter Kelamis (voiced Kid Goku in a Westwood dub flashback), even the VA they got for the Big Green dub wasn't as bad as he was.
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Re: Favorite English voice for Kid Goku?

Post by Singh is King » Mon Mar 23, 2015 8:45 pm

ABED wrote:.Exactly like how I feel when I hear Nadolny. Clinkenbeard did one movie and she's the type of actress that gets better. Nadolny had over 100 episodes and she was terrible in all of them.
I thought she was fantastic in all of them, especially against King Piccolo, but to each their own.

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Re: Favorite English voice for Kid Goku?

Post by gohann » Mon Mar 23, 2015 8:57 pm

ABED wrote: Yeah, let's judge an entire performance on a battle cry, which you are overstating how bad it is by the way.
I've seen the entire movie, there are just little to no clips on Youtube for some reason, and I don't think I can post the full movie, either.
Forced? You use that word, I do not think it means what you think it means. Few actors sound as forced as Nadolny. There's nothing remotely natural about her performance. Show me where she sounds like a normal person. I can't fathom why so many don't agree that Nadolny's inflections aren't natural.
A better word might be "overacted".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJMEmEuEKW0 She shows anger, determination, pain, surprise, confusion, innocence, and more.
You have yet to point to a scene where Colleen Clinkenbeard shows any talent as Kid Goku.

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Re: Favorite English voice for Kid Goku?

Post by ABED » Mon Mar 23, 2015 9:06 pm

No, in that scene Nadolny TRIES to show anger, innocence, confusion, etc. but can't because she's not that talented. I'll grant you that the clip was one of the more subdued performances, but she still can't act her way out of a wet paper bag.

You never asked me for a scene that specifically showed how good Clinkenbeard is. Even in the clip someone provided, she was fine. I don't see the issue.
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