The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Lord Beerus]

Mr. Satan vs Colonel Silver

Silver dominates Mr Satan.

[fadeddreams5]

Makes me wonder how in Kami's name Mr. Satan became a world champion...

[Lord Beerus]

Makes me wonder how in Kami's name Mr. Satan became a world champion...

Most of the people that took part in the World Martial Arts Tournament when Mr Satan was competing were just scrubs.

[DBZAOTA482]

Makes me wonder how in Kami's name Mr. Satan became a world champion...

Simple.

The Tenkaichi Budokai he won was shown to be more of a commercialized event so the level of competition was clearly much lower than the ones Goku and co. participated in (the Announcer even confirms this) meaning no legit strong fighters attended but only fairly normal human fighters.

Mr. Satan vs Colonel Silver

Silver dominates Mr Satan. He wouldn't even need to use his psychic powers.

Silver doesn't have psychic powers.

[Lord Beerus]

Mr. Satan vs Colonel Silver

Silver dominates Mr Satan. He wouldn't even need to use his psychic powers.

Silver doesn't have psychic powers.

Aaaand I just realised I got Silver confused with Blue. There are too many damn RR Army characters that I often get a few of them muddled up.

[Kakarotto92]

Simple.

The Tenkaichi Budokai he won was shown to be more of a commercialized event so the level of competition was clearly much lower than the ones Goku and co. participated in (the Announcer even confirms this) meaning no legit strong fighters attended but only fairly normal human fighters.

Don't recall ever hearing/reading about that. I always thought Mr. Satan was at least as strong as fighters like Nam and Giran, and while both of them did end up losing against Goku, the matches were actually fairly balanced. And let's not forget Goku beat them after training with Roshi, so while I concede that Pilaf arc Goku could beat Satan, I doubt it would be a walk in the park for him.

- Mystic Gohan one shot Kid Boo. Mystic Gohan>Super Boo>Kid Boo. Fact.

I'm aware of that, my doubt is if Buu can actually be killed without having to resort to a Genki Dama (which is a technique Gohan never learned).

[Doctor.]

I'm aware of that, my doubt is if Buu can actually be killed without having to resort to a Genki Dama (which is a technique Gohan never learned).

Why wouldn't a big and concentrated Kamehameha be able to do the trick? I'm pretty sure Gohan had to be thinking something similar when he was fighting Super Boo.

[DBZAOTA482]

Don't recall ever hearing/reading about that. I always thought Mr. Satan was at least as strong as fighters like Nam and Giran, and while both of them did end up losing against Goku, the matches were actually fairly balanced. And let's not forget Goku beat them after training with Roshi, so while I concede that Pilaf arc Goku could beat Satan, I doubt it would be a walk in the park for him.

Chapter: 431 (DBZ 237), P6.6
Announcer: “Frankly, the Tenkaichi Budoukai which you guys didn’t attend was really boring. It was at such a low level…” Note: most of the finalists in the 25th TB (besides Goku and co., plus Kaioshin and Kibito) were also finalists at the 24th.

There's also the fact that the preliminary rounds were determined by a punching machine instead of the participants fighting their way through them, there's a junior division, and it's apparently publicized unlike previous ones.

Not to mention Mr. Satan whole gimmick (and charm) is that he's a normal human. He's probably the most "human" character, in terms of both strength and likely personality.

[AvatarReiko]

MSSJ Gohan(Buu Saga) vs MSSJ Goku(Cell Games)

[Lord Beerus]

MSSJ Gohan(Buu Saga) vs MSSJ Goku(Cell Games)

I would personally give this to Goku. Gohan regressed so much in strength during by the time the Majin Boo arc began, that as a SSJ2 he was nowhere near as powerful as he was when he defeated Cell as a SSJ2 during the Cell arc. As just a regular SSJ, as strong as he was in the Majin Boo arc, Cell would stomp him into the dirt. Then you throw in the fact that Goku is a fighting genius, and MSSJ Gohan (Majin Boo arc) doesn't really stand a chance against MSSJ Goku (Cell Games).

Goku stomps Gohan.

[fadeddreams5]

MSSJ Gohan(Buu Saga) vs MSSJ Goku(Cell Games)

Pretty even fight. Even after 7 years of no training, Gohan can still go SSJ2, so that leads me to believe he's at least as strong as he was when he came out of the RoSAT. However, he's also very rusty when it comes to hand-to-hand combat, which Goku excels at. I don't think Gohan's slightly larger power would be enough to beat Goku's fighting genius, especially with his instant transmission in the mix.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

MSSJ Gohan(Buu Saga) vs MSSJ Goku(Cell Games)

Good fight. Gohan had a huge lead on Goku during the Cell Games, so even losing power wouldn't even the playing field for certain. In my mind, Gohan has a noticeable power advantage (something like Kaio-ken x2 Goku vs. Vegeta), but is rusty, so Goku's skills could perhaps make up for that. Goku wins imo.

[singsing]

MSSJ Gohan(Buu Saga) vs MSSJ Goku(Cell Games)

If you take the guidebook entry that states Gohan lost zero power and just got rusty and no more rage boosts, he still stomps Goku.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Base Goten vs. Pan (Both Super #17 arc)

[DBZAOTA482]

Base Goten vs. Pan (Both Super #17 arc)

They start to fight then a villain comes and kicks both their asses.

[dbzfan7]

Base Goten vs. Pan (Both Super #17 arc)

They start to fight then a villain comes and kicks both their asses.

Or they both simply lose cause they're not Goku.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

How original. Haven't seen that 1000 times before.

[DBZAOTA482]

Just keeping it real.

[Lord Beerus]

Base Goten vs. Pan (Both Super #17 arc)

I'd give this to Pan. She has more hax accomplishments under her belt than Goten does. But that really does make me wonder why she didn't goes to take on Super #17.

[Kakarotto92]

I'm aware of that, my doubt is if Buu can actually be killed without having to resort to a Genki Dama (which is a technique Gohan never learned).

Why wouldn't a big and concentrated Kamehameha be able to do the trick? I'm pretty sure Gohan had to be thinking something similar when he was fighting Super Boo.

SSJ3 Gotenks somewhat did that, yet Buu managed to regenerate from molecules around him. Unlike Cell, destroying every single cell of his body isn't enough, Buu can regenerate from nothing, he's literally immortal. I think Goku only managed to destroy Buu thanks to the positive life energy from the Genki Dama which countered and neutralized Kid Buu's pure raw evil energy.

Chapter: 431 (DBZ 237), P6.6
Announcer: “Frankly, the Tenkaichi Budoukai which you guys didn’t attend was really boring. It was at such a low level…” Note: most of the finalists in the 25th TB (besides Goku and co., plus Kaioshin and Kibito) were also finalists at the 24th.

Well, considering that the last tournament Goku and Piccolo attended resulted in the entire stadium getting destroyed, of course whatever came after that felt underwhelming in comparison, that's pretty much what the Announcer means.

There's also the fact that the preliminary rounds were determined by a punching machine instead of the participants fighting their way through them, there's a junior division, and it's apparently publicized unlike previous ones.

I don't see how that proves that "the level of competition was clearly much lower than the ones Goku and co. participated in meaning no legit strong fighters attended but only fairly normal human fighters."

Not to mention Mr. Satan whole gimmick (and charm) is that he's a normal human. He's probably the most "human" character, in terms of both strength and likely personality.

Agreed. Mr. Satan is much stronger than we give him credit for though, Toriyama himself admitted that he's extremely strong for normal human standards.