Dragon Ball Z Being Re-edited and Re-dubbed for HDTV

Zenkai Power · Post by **Zenkai Power** » Sat Apr 18, 2009 11:25 pm

B wrote:"It's not right" and "it just should't happen" isn't an argument at all. =/

Yeah it is. Censoring it when it was fine before is ridiculous. DB Kai is fast becoming like the freaking english dub was just in HD and in Japanese. It's very ......... ironic isn't it.

Post by **Herms** » Sat Apr 18, 2009 11:26 pm

Metalwario64 wrote:However, in general, I do stand by my argument that it is stupid for Toei to be doing something as boneheaded as Saban did back in the day, as there is really no excuse for this, unless Japan has become soft over the years.

It does seem that Japan has stricter standards on what can be broadcast these days. Lots of things in One Piece are toned down for the anime .

Onikage725 wrote:Raditz reading two numbers as 1 and thus showing the fallibility of scouter tech)?

What part was that?

DaemonCorps · Post by **DaemonCorps** » Sat Apr 18, 2009 11:30 pm

Herms wrote:
Onikage725 wrote:Raditz reading two numbers as 1 and thus showing the fallibility of scouter tech)?
What part was that?

When Goku and Piccolo are about to reach Raditz at the crash site. (Yay, I knew something Herms didn't!)

B · Post by B » Sat Apr 18, 2009 11:31 pm

Zenkai Power wrote:
B wrote:"It's not right" and "it just should't happen" isn't an argument at all. =/
Yeah it is. Censoring it when it was fine before is ridiculous. DB Kai is fast becoming like the freaking english dub was just in HD and in Japanese. It's very ......... ironic isn't it.

Let me see if I can make sense of this. Removal of blood has made this less of an enjoyable experience for you. Why?

Post by **Herms** » Sat Apr 18, 2009 11:32 pm

DaemonCorps wrote:When Goku and Piccolo are about to reach Raditz at the crash site.

How does Raditz read two numbers as one though?

B · Post by B » Sat Apr 18, 2009 11:35 pm

I think it's when Raditz reads a huge power level coming his way, and it turns out to be Goku and Piccolo.

KaiserNeko · Post by **KaiserNeko** » Sat Apr 18, 2009 11:36 pm

B wrote:
Zenkai Power wrote:
B wrote:"It's not right" and "it just should't happen" isn't an argument at all. =/
Yeah it is. Censoring it when it was fine before is ridiculous. DB Kai is fast becoming like the freaking english dub was just in HD and in Japanese. It's very ......... ironic isn't it.
Let me see if I can make sense of this. Removal of blood has made this less of an enjoyable experience for you. Why?

Can it POSSIBLY BE that we found the original's violence to be... -gasp-... entertaining? That maybe the violence actually added to the impact of the scene?

Visuals add to every scene. The blood, the gore, the sheer violence of the scene added to the impact of it for a lot of people. It was shocking and vivid for me. Furthermore, it's censoring the original material and I am -entirely- anti-censorship.

Budokai23 · Post by **Budokai23** » Sat Apr 18, 2009 11:37 pm

I really don't get what people are complaining about. It's not like the original DBZ has gone anywhere so just watch that. DBK is just an OPTION here people. While I do wish that they left the blood, I'm not going to completely bitch about it.

B · Post by B » Sat Apr 18, 2009 11:45 pm

KaiserNeko wrote:
B wrote:
Zenkai Power wrote: Yeah it is. Censoring it when it was fine before is ridiculous. DB Kai is fast becoming like the freaking english dub was just in HD and in Japanese. It's very ......... ironic isn't it.
Let me see if I can make sense of this. Removal of blood has made this less of an enjoyable experience for you. Why?
Can it POSSIBLY BE that we found the original's violence to be... -gasp-... entertaining? That maybe the violence actually added to the impact of the scene?

Visuals add to every scene. The blood, the gore, the sheer violence of the scene added to the impact of it for a lot of people. It was shocking and vivid for me. Furthermore, it's censoring the original material and I am -entirely- anti-censorship.

While that is understandable, I don't get what's wrong HERE, in THIS particular scene. I don't feel the blood adds that much at all. I'm sure there are other scenes where the complete omission of blood will look strange, but HERE, right now, I don't see it.

And I can't really respond to these anti-censorship things. I'm an objective person; I try to figure out the situation and every possible outcome or effect before I make a decision or form an opinion-- I'm not anti-anything. I disapprove of various things that are a part of a larger sect, but I just can't bring myself to say "this is wrong, no matter what" to anything.

kei17 · Post by **kei17** » Sat Apr 18, 2009 11:50 pm

Hujio wrote:
kei17 wrote:The things annoyed me most were the voice of Nappa and a slowed down battle scene.
Look carefully at the scene Piccolo and Goku make a first strike on Raditz.
It's obviously half-speeded for the sake of fucking Pokemon-something.
Really? I'll have to re-look at that. If it was slowed down, I didn't even notice.

I made a comparison. *updated*

SHINOBI-03 · Post by **SHINOBI-03** » Sat Apr 18, 2009 11:50 pm

That's............ Ok, who is the American who took over TOEI?!

I wonder If they'll recieve flaming letters all this week...!!

A bruse?! Sure they wanted no blood, but wouldn't be better to draw it like a hole?!
TOEI: "This is a Kids show, and kids should not watch blood and gore. You want those violent stuff? go watch Elfen Lied or somthing for Adults and leave Dragon Ball for the children!!"

How is Piccolo? Purple blood like we've seen in the first episode?

EDIT: 300!!

bkev · Post by **bkev** » Sat Apr 18, 2009 11:55 pm

The worst part is that this hole they put it seems to only be a blurred-out version of his chest or something. They didn't even TRY. >_>. But they're MOTHERFUCKING TOEI, AND THEIR EGOS CONQUER ALL. FUCK Y'ALL WE CAN GET AWAY WITH ANYTHING!

Sorry, got a little carried away there... but my point stands. We know they animate stuff that's much more violent than this watered-down crap.

Also, this new Vegeta seems - least to me - to stand out a lot. Like it's just copy-pasted over the original image (which it probably is).

DaemonCorps · Post by **DaemonCorps** » Sat Apr 18, 2009 11:57 pm

SHINOBI-03 wrote:How is Piccolo? Purple blood like we've seen in the first episode?

Yep, blood's still corrected to purple. Though I can't help but think of Kai as something of a hackjob now what with stuff like correcting Vegeta's colors but keeping Nappa's.

Post by **Herms** » Sun Apr 19, 2009 12:03 am

What was wrong with Nappa's armor?

Taku128 · Post by **Taku128** » Sun Apr 19, 2009 12:12 am

I don't mind the missing blood as much as I mind the giant bruises in place of holes. I could probably come up with several reasons why blood wouldn't be there. The bruises are just dumb though. Is Goku Wolverine or something?

Herms wrote:What was wrong with Nappa's armor?

It's brown and black instead of yellow and blue. It's pretty close to his actual colors later on, and a hell of a lot closer then Vegeta's original orange and green colored armor was to his later colors. I don't really mind personally.

bkev · Post by **bkev** » Sun Apr 19, 2009 12:13 am

Taku128 wrote:I don't mind the missing blood as much as I mind the giant bruises in place of holes. I could probably come up with several reasons why blood wouldn't be there. The bruises are just dumb though. Is Goku Wolverine or something?

Oh, no... don't tell me... DBKAI HAS GT SYNDROME!!!

DaemonCorps · Post by **DaemonCorps** » Sun Apr 19, 2009 12:15 am

Herms wrote:What was wrong with Nappa's armor?

Outside of those earlier scenes, Nappa's armor is a dark blue and yellow theme instead of a black black and brown theme. The black/brown theme kinda suits him, though, so I never really notice it.

TriforceCaptre · Post by **TriforceCaptre** » Sun Apr 19, 2009 12:23 am

I'm okay with the gushing blood being taken out since the scene isn't that gory in the manga.
However, that purple splotch on Goku's chest just looks terrible. They show the beam penetrating him from the side so to cut to him laying there without a hole in his chest is just a poor move on their part. They should have just taken out the blood and left the black area on Goku's chest. At least then it would still look like he's been peirced.

Jurik · Post by **Jurik** » Sun Apr 19, 2009 12:36 am

To me the problem isn't the blood

but , there's a reason to remove the holes in their chests...?

Chuquita · Post by **Chuquita** » Sun Apr 19, 2009 1:41 am

Wait, so...they fixed Vegeta's color scheme, but...they went and CENSORED the blood/gore?!

This is very weird. o_O

I haven't seen the episode itself yet, but....well I guess I'll come back after I have seen it so I can give a proper comment.