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Chuquita wrote:I bet we'll make it to 1000 by the end of the Monday, EST. :3
The BOG thread exploded 20 or 30 pages on pre-screening day (if I remember correctly).
I hope the forum doesn't crash when Julian starts answering questions
They've actually done a really good job with the forums this time around. When BOG was on the way, big news would almost-always crash the forums for a little while, but I can't think of it happening even once since F was announced. Unless traffic gets extremely heavy, we should still be able to access it.
I'm interested to know if Goku will use his God form in the movie too but I'm much more interested in the possibility of Vegeta using it.
I wouldn't be surprised at this point if it wasn't in the movie but I'd be a little disappointed if neither of them used it, especially Vegeta as that'd be new.
I'd also like to know if there's any mention of the other universes which id hope would tie into the cliffhanger if there was one.
Bullza wrote:I'm interested to know if Goku will use his God form in the movie too but I'm much more interested in the possibility of Vegeta using it.
I wouldn't be surprised at this point if it wasn't in the movie but I'd be a little disappointed if neither of them used it, especially Vegeta as that'd be new.
I'd also like to know if there's any mention of the other universes which id hope would tie into the cliffhanger if there was one.
I want to see Vegeta get/use ssjg too. >u< I'd considered lumping it in with my first question and saying "Do Gokû and/or Vegeta use ssjg mode?" but I wasn't sure if that would count as two questions. ^^;
I will be so disappointed if it doesn't show up at all. T_T I mean, I can still draw ssjg Gokû if I want, but that's not the same as getting new plot/animation from Toriyama with either or both Gokû and Vegeta using ssjg.
Those other universes as part of a cliffhanger would be amazing! X3 A cliffhanger ending would be an even bigger shock than Gokû losing to Beerus was in BOG.
In this new movie as far as Freeza’s concerned, you could say he “loses the battle, but wins the war”.
Foreshadowing. I'm loving how this Toriyama is planning things ahead.
I think earth blowing up in the last trailer is what he means which might be the after credits scene.
This comment shows that Toriyama is in for the long run and I can't wait to see what he's got planned.
I won't be surprised if Beerus destroys earth instead of Freeza. or him defeating Freeza instead of Bejita and Goku Looks like a save action, but why that evil smirk on his face?
Beerus is probably blasting away some of Freeza's army. While doing so, he turned around and made a witty remark towards whoever was standing near him (Whis, probably).
Rocketman(In response to a post about Pandora's Box) wrote:
I sat here for ten damn minutes wondering what the hell God of War had to do with any of this.
Insertclevername wrote:I plan to lose my virginity to Dragon Box 2.
TheDevilsCorpse wrote:Probably depends on how the details spread this time. If Julian comes back and spills a lot of the goods right away, it'll likely explode. But if we're just working off poorly translated things from various other Japanese sites while he relaxes and writes up a summary or whatever, it may be a bit slower until he drops his post.
Not that I have any right to tell him what to do, but I think the best way to go about it would probably be to bang out a quick one or two paragraph summary of the movie, focusing just on a quick overview of the plot from start to finish and all the biggest spoilers, then save the gangbusters super-long, super-detailed summary that delves into what kind of shoes each character wears and whatnot for later. That way there would be a good source to confirm or deny any wild rumors right off the bat, which should take the immediate pressure off so that anything more comprehensive can be written more leisurely (and therefore more comprehensively).
SSJGFrieza wrote:Is this "Saiyan beyond God" a thing in the movie or just Heroes?
It's apparently a thing in Heroes, and it may tie in to the new movie, but we don't know yet.
I have no idea what to expect from it. You'd think that being it was a newly introduced form it would surely be in this movie and Vegeta becoming one this time around would be good from a marketing angle.
It was sorta shown in the second chapter so its not like they're ignoring it and if Frieza beats up base Goku then you'd think that either him or Vegeta would then come out with the form so they could win in the end but there's been no mention of it at all, no worthwhile hints or anything.
I think a cliffhanger ending could have a lot of potential with this one. Maybe Frieza will beat Goku and Vegeta but then once Beerus and Whis show up he has no choice but to accept banishement over death so he's sent into another universe.
Goku and Vegeta heal up and decide to have a rematch with him and follow him through to the other universe all hyped up but once they get there they find Frieza lying there beaten to death by someone even stronger than Frieza, but who.....oooooh....credits.
Super Saiyan Goku: "IT'S OVERRR, FREE-*gets punched in the face*
Freeza: Actually I did some crunches during the week waiting for Ginyu to get here. *rips Goku in half* oh ho ho
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Bravo, brilliant writing, 10/10, anyone who disagrees needs to shut up.
So, Freeza loses the battle, but wins the war? That probably means Freeza's going to survive and come back again. Just when I thought this movie couldn't be any more of a crappy caricature of the worst parts of Dragon Ball fan fiction, it finds a way. Truly, Toriyama is a miracle worker, as are his talented companions at Toei, for whatever role they played in this.
So, does anyone else want to speculate on what Nakao meant by Freeza being "handicapped" by his "complex towards his father"? Yet managed to "compensate" for that "handicap"? I have no idea where that came from.
The Monkey King wrote:
RandomGuy96 wrote:
dbgtFO wrote:
Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
Super Saiyan Goku: "IT'S OVERRR, FREE-*gets punched in the face*
Freeza: Actually I did some crunches during the week waiting for Ginyu to get here. *rips Goku in half* oh ho ho
~~~~~~~~~~~
Damn that's a pretty anti-climatic battle now . You should write one for every villain now.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
Spoiler:
Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
SSJGFrieza wrote:What complex towards King Cold? Unless Cold really was stronger and humored Freeza by letting him call himself the strongest in the universe.
Maybe Freeza's past will be explored a bit in this movie.
I dunno, ask Freeza's voice actor. No, Cold definitely wasn't humoring Freeza. He let Freeza order him around, did nothing while Freeza boasted to be the strongest, and declared that Trunks must be the strongest in the universe if he can defeat Freeza. Unless he was just lying about all of that for no raisin, and still keeping up the joke even after Freeza died, which wouldn't surprise me at this point given what else is in the movie.
The Monkey King wrote:
RandomGuy96 wrote:
dbgtFO wrote:
Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
Sleep-addled thought-time; that Bulma blog entry from the other day about JOYSOUND with Vegeta holding the mic; what does everyone think that image originally goes to? Was it drawn just for this entry? Was only the mic drawn for the entry and Vegeta originally came from another art piece? We gonna get Bingo 2? Some character songs maybe?
Post-credits scene confirmed as Vegeta practicing bingo songs alone in the dark when Bulma walks in on him.
Kamiccolo9 wrote:I swear, the Gohan fanboys won't be happy unless he just bends over and farts all of Freeza's men into the sun.
fadeddreams5 wrote:
Honestly, this would only make me slightly satisfied. To make me happy, he'd also have to grab Freeza by the tail, drag him to the nearest toilet, and give him swirlies until he submits and calls him "daddy."
The comment about Freeza "winning the war" and there being a post credits scene gets me really excited! Glad they are thinking ahead. It's gonna be super hard to not spoil myself before summer.
RandomGuy96 wrote:So, Freeza loses the battle, but wins the war? That probably means Freeza's going to survive and come back again. Just when I thought this movie couldn't be any more of a crappy caricature of the worst parts of Dragon Ball fan fiction, it finds a way. Truly, Toriyama is a miracle worker, as are his talented companions at Toei, for whatever role they played in this.
So, does anyone else want to speculate on what Nakao meant by Freeza being "handicapped" by his "complex towards his father"? Yet managed to "compensate" for that "handicap"? I have no idea where that came from.
Good to know Freeza will not die yet.
By complex, probably Nakao meant Freeza was raised by his father to think he was born as the strongest and that there should be none around stronger than him, besides Boo and Beerus, of course. Then, he managed to compensate for that handicap with strict training instead of rechallenge Goku unprepared like he did in the Future Trunks' debut.
SSJGFrieza wrote:What complex towards King Cold? Unless Cold really was stronger and humored Freeza by letting him call himself the strongest in the universe.
Maybe Freeza's past will be explored a bit in this movie.
I dunno, ask Freeza's voice actor. No, Cold definitely wasn't humoring Freeza. He let Freeza order him around, did nothing while Freeza boasted to be the strongest, and declared that Trunks must be the strongest in the universe if he can defeat Freeza. Unless he was just lying about all of that for no raisin, and still keeping up the joke even after Freeza died, which wouldn't surprise me at this point given what else is in the movie.
This actually has the potential to give King Cold some more depth as a character. I doubt they would take it in this direction, but think about this; what if King Cold actually WAS stronger than Freeza. He's the father, older and more mature, so it would make sense. He could have just humored Freeza and allowed him to pretend to be the strongest in the universe while he himself kept a low profile, Freeza's "complex" could be extreme frustration and insecurities over knowing that his father was superior to him in every way. Continuing to play up the act after Trunks killed Freeza can be explained as Cold not wanting to give himself away, which would give him the advantage. Overall this would portray Cold as a surprisingly calculating tactician, and his relationship with Freeza can be taken in multiple directions. Either Cold just used Freeza as the face of the organization while he himself ran things from the shadows and reaped all the benefits, or they can go in another direction and have Cold actually care about Freeza as his son, and he was mature enough to try and satiate his son's pride by letting him run the business and pretend to be the strongest in the universe while he was retired.
Kamiccolo9 wrote:I swear, the Gohan fanboys won't be happy unless he just bends over and farts all of Freeza's men into the sun.
fadeddreams5 wrote:
Honestly, this would only make me slightly satisfied. To make me happy, he'd also have to grab Freeza by the tail, drag him to the nearest toilet, and give him swirlies until he submits and calls him "daddy."
Super Saiyan Goku: "IT'S OVERRR, FREE-*gets punched in the face*
Freeza: Actually I did some crunches during the week waiting for Ginyu to get here. *rips Goku in half* oh ho ho
~~~~~~~~~~~
Bravo, brilliant writing, 10/10, anyone who disagrees needs to shut up.
So, Freeza loses the battle, but wins the war? That probably means Freeza's going to survive and come back again. Just when I thought this movie couldn't be any more of a crappy caricature of the worst parts of Dragon Ball fan fiction, it finds a way. Truly, Toriyama is a miracle worker, as are his talented companions at Toei, for whatever role they played in this.
So, does anyone else want to speculate on what Nakao meant by Freeza being "handicapped" by his "complex towards his father"? Yet managed to "compensate" for that "handicap"? I have no idea where that came from.
I have a legitimate question for you and I don't mean to offend. You hate BoG and you've already made up your mind about RF, so why do you bother posting in this thread? It seems like a waste of your time since all you ever do is complain about the movie being terrible and you clearly aren't interested in it at all.
. You should write one for every villain now.
