The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[supercat]

Pan (EoZ) - Gauntlet

Nappa
Appule
Cui
Dodoria
Zarbon
Zarbon (transformed)
Guldo (no time freezing)
Recoome
Burter
Jeice
Captain Ginyu (no body swapping)
First Form Frieza
Second Form Frieza
Third Form Frieza
Final Form Frieza
Final Form Frieza 50%
Final Form Frieza 100%

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Pan (EoZ) - Gauntlet

Nappa
Appule
Cui
Dodoria
Zarbon
Zarbon (transformed)
Guldo (no time freezing)
Recoome
Burter
Jeice
Captain Ginyu (no body swapping)
First Form Freeza
Second Form Freeza
Third Form Freeza
Final Form Freeza
Final Form Freeza 50%
Final Form Freeza 100%

She clears this list with ease... then looks for a real challenge...

[supercat]

Pan (EoZ) - Gauntlet

Nappa
Appule
Cui
Dodoria
Zarbon
Zarbon (transformed)
Guldo (no time freezing)
Recoome
Burter
Jeice
Captain Ginyu (no body swapping)
First Form Freeza
Second Form Freeza
Third Form Freeza
Final Form Freeza
Final Form Freeza 50%
Final Form Freeza 100%

She clears this list with ease... then looks for a real challenge...

I could understand GT Pan trashing every single fighter on that list effortlessly, but EoZ Pan? I'm interested in seeing what leads you to that speculation.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

I could understand GT Pan trashing every single fighter on that list effortlessly, but EoZ Pan? I'm interested in seeing what leads you to that speculation.

As you know... I believe the Base Kids are on par with 18 based on Kid Trunks keeping up in a restricting suit...

EoZ Goten and Trunks, might be slightly stronger or so than their annoying kid selves, since they seemed to have an interest when they were young, and the Daizenshuu supports them being slightly stronger.

Goku says that Pan has the most guts in the family, and expects her to go far in the tournament, so I take that to mean she's at least at a competitive level with Goten and Trunks.

Pan being introduced around their level makes perfect sense. Kid Gohan was introduced around Krillin's level of strength with just a little training, Goten and Trunks came in around Teen Gohan's strength, so I don't see anything saying Pan can't be around Goten/Trunks' strength.

All of that coupled with her being the daughter of the character with the highest shown potential in the series, I can see her easily beating any of the weak / irrelevant characters in your gauntlet..

tl,dr;

Pan (EoZ) >~/~ Trunks (EoZ) >~ Goten (EoZ) >~ Kid Goten (post-RoSaT) > Kid Goten (pre-RoSaT) >~ Android 18 >> Freeza >> everyone else on the gauntlet

[Lord Beerus]

More battles:

Cold vs Freeza (equal power, unlimited stamina)
Cooler vs General Rild (equal power, unlimited stamina, no special abilities, no turning to metal)
Cooler vs Dabura (equal power, unlimited stamina)

- Cold is much more pragmatic and cunning in battle in comparison to his hot headed and impulsive son. So Cold wins.
- Without Rild's metal fusing abilities, I don't see him overcoming Cooler.
- Dabra spits stone at Cooler. Game over, man.

[fadeddreams5]

Pan (EoZ) - Gauntlet

Nappa
Appule
Cui
Dodoria
Zarbon
Zarbon (transformed)
Guldo (no time freezing)
Recoome
Burter
Jeice
Captain Ginyu (no body swapping)
First Form Freeza
Second Form Freeza
Third Form Freeza
Final Form Freeza
Final Form Freeza 50%
Final Form Freeza 100%

She hits a brick wall at Recoome, imo. She definitely possesses the potential to clear everyone here (except Frieza) with ease, but at the end of the day, she's only 4. Her martial arts skills, tactician abilities, and ki manipulation (besides flight) are practically non-existent.

[Lord Beerus]

Pan (EoZ) - Gauntlet

Nappa
Appule
Cui
Dodoria
Zarbon
Zarbon (transformed)
Guldo (no time freezing)
Recoome
Burter
Jeice
Captain Ginyu (no body swapping)
First Form Freeza
Second Form Freeza
Third Form Freeza
Final Form Freeza
Final Form Freeza 50%
Final Form Freeza 100%

Doesn't make it past Zarbon. I really don't understand the wanking that people give to EOZ Pan's power. I mean, she's still freakin four years old. Until I see some actually feats from her, perhaps in Dragon Ball Super, I won't believe for a second that her strength reaches the hundred thousand level bracket or above. I mean, we really have to take Goku's comments about her with a grain of salt, because half of the stuff that Dragon Ball characters say about their strength or other people's strength is bullshit. And to this day, we still can't figure out which half isn't bullshit.

[supercat]

I could understand GT Pan trashing every single fighter on that list effortlessly, but EoZ Pan? I'm interested in seeing what leads you to that speculation.

As you know... I believe the Base Kids are on par with 18 based on Kid Trunks keeping up in a restricting suit...

EoZ Goten and Trunks, might be slightly stronger or so than their annoying kid selves, since they seemed to have an interest when they were young, and the Daizenshuu supports them being slightly stronger.

Goku says that Pan has the most guts in the family, and expects her to go far in the tournament, so I take that to mean she's at least at a competitive level with Goten and Trunks.

Pan being introduced around their level makes perfect sense. Kid Gohan was introduced around Krillin's level of strength with just a little training, Goten and Trunks came in around Teen Gohan's strength, so I don't see anything saying Pan can't be around Goten/Trunks' strength.

All of that coupled with her being the daughter of the character with the highest shown potential in the series, I can see her easily beating any of the weak / irrelevant characters in your gauntlet..

tl,dr;

Pan (EoZ) >~/~ Trunks (EoZ) >~ Goten (EoZ) >~ Kid Goten (post-RoSaT) > Kid Goten (pre-RoSaT) >~ Android 18 >> Freeza >> everyone else on the gauntlet

Yes, she is the daughter of the man with seemingly unrivaled potential, but I think fadeddreams5 makes a good point about her young age. During her brief EoZ appearance, she hasn't really displayed any real feats or anything that even remotely hinted us of the power and/or abilities that she possesses. Goku could have been hyping up her potential performance in effort to boost morale. I'm also assuming Trunks and Goten wouldn't have relentlessly gone full force on a her. They didn't even appear enthusiastic about the event altogether.

I know our versions of power scaling are going to be a bit different since you feel Base Goten / Trunks are above both 18 and Frieza (which I totally respect by the way). However, with my placement of Base Goten / Trunks' power more or less sitting at a level close to Final Form Frieza 25%, naturally, I would have to place Pan a good deal below that. Again, given her age, and complete lack of combat experience, I would be surprised if she even managed to make it past Jeice. Then again.. who knows?

- Cold much more pragmatic and cunning in battle in comparison to his hot headed and impulsive son. So Cold wins.
- Without Rild's metal fusing abilities, I don't see him overcoming Cooler.
- Dabra spits stone at Cooler. Game over, man.

Ah, I should have specified and said no turning to stone!

Okay, so without Dabura's spit, who takes the victory? (equal power, unlimited stamina)

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Yes, she is the daughter of the man with seemingly unrivaled potential, but I think fadeddreams5 makes a good point about her young age. During her brief EoZ appearance, she hasn't really displayed any real feats or anything that even remotely hinted us of the power and/or abilities that she possesses. Goku could have been hyping up her potential performance in effort to boost morale. I'm also assuming Trunks and Goten wouldn't have relentlessly gone full force on a her. They didn't even appear enthusiastic about the event altogether.

Well, while it's true she's 4, age has never stopped anyone before in Dragon Ball. Kid Trunks and Goten are potentially Cell Games tier at 6/7 years old while 6/7 year old Kid Goku was struggling to move big rocks, and 6/7 year old Gohan was what, Namek Goku tier or so?

I do not take Goku's comment to be patronizing as he explicitly states she will will not win the Budokai in the same sentence. Had he actually been patronizing her, he would've said something like "She'll win for sure!"

This is all my opinion, though.

There is nothing establishing her strength at the End of Z, so there's nothing to contradict your opinion or my opinion.

I just don't feel lack of feats is enough to place her so pitifully low. You can place her wherever you like, but I wouldn't use the fact that she doesn't have to feats to automatically mean she's low. She came in to a time where she did not have time to prove her strength, she was only around for two chapters.

[supercat]

Yes, she is the daughter of the man with seemingly unrivaled potential, but I think fadeddreams5 makes a good point about her young age. During her brief EoZ appearance, she hasn't really displayed any real feats or anything that even remotely hinted us of the power and/or abilities that she possesses. Goku could have been hyping up her potential performance in effort to boost morale. I'm also assuming Trunks and Goten wouldn't have relentlessly gone full force on a her. They didn't even appear enthusiastic about the event altogether.

Well, while it's true she's 4, age has never stopped anyone before in Dragon Ball. Kid Trunks and Goten are potentially Cell Games tier at 6/7 years old while 6/7 year old Kid Goku was struggling to move big rocks, and 6/7 year old Gohan was what, Namek Goku tier or so?

I do not take Goku's comment to be patronizing as he explicitly states she will will not win the Budokai in the same sentence. Had he actually been patronizing her, he would've said something like "She'll win for sure!"

This is all my opinion, though.

There is nothing establishing her strength at the End of Z, so there's nothing to contradict your opinion or my opinion.

I just don't feel lack of feats is enough to place her so pitifully low. You can place her wherever you like, but I wouldn't use the fact that she doesn't have to feats to automatically mean she's low. She came in to a time where she did not have time to prove her strength, she was only around for two chapters.

You're right, simply lacking feats is not the perfect indicator of strength. Despite their small display of feats, both Dabura and Kaioshin were labeled as beings who were either able to rival a major past villain, or completely trash one. I would say Cold also had the privilege of possessing unseen power as well.

Although, being a demon king, an overseer of the universe, or a galactic tyrant probably does help support some of these bold claims. I guess Dabura could sort of be excluded from that list since his feat was giving Gohan quite the fight.

Regardless, we'll just have to wait and see what Pan is truly capable of!

New Battle:
Roshi (FnF) vs Raditz
Roshi (FnF) vs Saibamen

[SSJ God Gogeta]

New Battle:
Roshi (FnF) vs Raditz
Roshi (FnF) vs Saibamen

With his new found power, Roshi can destroy both of them at the same time.

[supercat]

Roshi (FnF) vs Yamcha (Saiyan Saga)
Roshi (FnF) vs Krillin (Saiyan Saga)
Roshi (FnF) vs Tien (Saiyan Saga)
Roshi (FnF) vs Warrior Namekian
Roshi (FnF) vs Nappa

[SSJ God Gogeta]

Roshi destroys all of them.

[supercat]

Base Vegetto vs Base Rild

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Base Vegetto vs Base Rild

Vegetto gets slaughtered.

I have:

General Rild > Gohan-Buu >~ SS3 Gogeta = Base Vegetto > Gotenks-Buu

[fadeddreams5]

Base Vegetto vs Base Rild

Vegetto gets slaughtered.

I have:

General Rild > Gohan-Buu >~ SS3 Gogeta = Base Vegetto > Gotenks-Buu

Wait, but didn't Base Vegito easily handle Buuhan? I recall him having the upper hand throughout, with Super Vegito just being overkill.

[DBZAOTA482]

Base Vegetto vs Base Rild

Vegetto gets slaughtered.

I have:

General Rild > Gohan-Buu >~ SS3 Gogeta = Base Vegetto > Gotenks-Buu

Wait, but didn't Base Vegito easily handle Buuhan? I recall him having the upper hand throughout, with Super Vegito just being overkill.

Base Vegetto never fought Boohan in the manga.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Wait, but didn't Base Vegito easily handle Buuhan? I recall him having the upper hand throughout, with Super Vegito just being overkill.

That fight did not happen in the manga.

Even in the anime, Gohan-Buu is stronger. Buu was never truly worried, and when he said he was still stronger than Vegetto, Vegetto contradicts him by going Super Saiyan instead of continuing to kick his ass in base.

So it seems like Buu was just messing around initially. Gohan-Buu >~ Base Vegetto can work even with the anime.

[fadeddreams5]

Base Vegetto never fought Boohan in the manga.

Wait, but didn't Base Vegito easily handle Buuhan? I recall him having the upper hand throughout, with Super Vegito just being overkill.

That fight did not happen in the manga.

Yeah, but General Rildo isn't in the manga either, and GT follows the anime. =P

Even in the anime, Gohan-Buu is stronger. Buu was never truly worried, and when he said he was still stronger than Vegetto, Vegetto contradicts him by going Super Saiyan instead of continuing to kick his ass in base.

Buu was delusional even when he turned into Super Vegito. Base Vegito was absolutely dominating, and still holding back. If Buuhan has an advantage, it's very low, imo.

[Noah]

Got some battles:

SSJ4 Goku x Super Boo (Gohan Absorbed)

Super Boo (Gohan Absorbed) x Super Baby Vegeta

Semi Perfect Cell x Super Android 13

Majin Boo (Before split) x Kid Boo