The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Who said GT follows the anime? If it did, Rild would be stronger than Anime Pure Buu who's stronger than Super Vegetto, yet he's never surpassed until Super Vegeta-Baby 1.

If Vegetto was much stronger in base, there'd be no reason to transform. Vegetto only contradicts him by going Super Saiyan.

Got some battles:

SSJ4 Goku x Super Boo (Gohan Absorbed)

Super Boo (Gohan Absorbed) x Super Baby Vegeta

Semi Perfect Cell x Super Android 13

Majin Boo (Before split) x Kid Boo

- GT Goku or Z Goku? Only GT Goku can beat Super Buu.

- Super Vegeta-Baby > Base Vegeta-Baby > SS3 Goku > Base Goku >~ General Rild > Gohan-Buu, SVB1 one-shots him.

- 16 is stated to be above 13, let alone Form 2 Cell.

- Pure Buu takes it in a long, difficult, drawn out fight.

[supercat]

Wait, but didn't Base Vegito easily handle Buuhan? I recall him having the upper hand throughout, with Super Vegito just being overkill.

That fight did not happen in the manga.

Even in the anime, Gohan-Buu is stronger. Buu was never truly worried, and when he said he was still stronger than Vegetto, Vegetto contradicts him by going Super Saiyan instead of continuing to kick his ass in base.

So it seems like Buu was just messing around initially. Gohan-Buu >~ Base Vegetto can work even with the anime.

Even in the anime exclusive battle, Base Vegetto seemed completely unscathed even after being vigorously pummeled. Buuhan on the other hand seemed quite daunted by the presence of his new opponent. While it's pretty difficult to identify the superior fighter of the two after such a brief scuffle, I'd say based on how things played out, anime Base Vegetto could rival anime Buuhan at the very least.

The way I see it, the following seems very plausible:

Base Rild > Kid Buu or even Mr. Buu
Second Form Rild > Buutenks (if Base Rild > Kid Buu) / Second Form Rild > Super Buu (if Base Rild > Mr. Buu)
Final Form Rild > Buuhan (if Base Rild > Kid Buu) / Final Form Rild > Buutenks (if Base Rild > Mr. Buu)

Therefore, if GT follows the anime, it's actually not that far-fetched for Base Vegetto to be able to fight on par with Final Form Rild.

[fadeddreams5]

Who said GT follows the anime? If it did, Rild would be stronger than Anime Pure Buu who's stronger than Super Vegetto, yet he's never surpassed until Super Vegeta-Baby 1.

If Vegetto was much stronger in base, there'd be no reason to transform. Vegetto only contradicts him by going Super Saiyan.

Maybe it doesn't follow the anime, but it certainly doesn't follow the manga either. It's its own thing (movie villains appear and contradicts manga hell).

Vegito wanted Buu to feel absolutely hopeless. When Buu is still bragging about his supposed superiority after getting toyed with, Vegito transforms to show off the gap between them, and continues to do so throughout the battle. I have Base Vegito being on par or slightly superior, if only because of Buu's regeneration.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

GT can't follow the Z anime, in terms of power-scaling at least. Even if it did, you'd still get: Base Rild > Anime Pure Buu > Gohan-Buu

Here's what I got on Base Vegetto:

Spoiler:

Most of us probably think Base Vegetto in the anime (and maybe even in the manga) is a lot stronger than Gohan-Boo due to how their fight went. But all is not as it seems...behold!

Before they get to any fighting, Boo doesn't think Vegetto can beat him. At this point, the only thing Vegetto has done is slice Boo's cheek.




After they fight a bit, with Vegetto seemingly beating on Boo and then Boo seemingly beating on Vegetto and sending him into a crater below, Vegetto says he "felt that a bit," to which Boo says he was still holding back.



The two go on to fight some more. Vegetto blasts away most of Boo's body, to which Boo smiles and regenerates, and then after a cut scene of Mr. Satan and Dende, the two are seen fighting evenly. When they stop, Boo comments that Vegetto really does seem stronger than Goku and Vegeta individually, Vegetto says he's strong enough to kill Boo, and Boo says he's done playing around and will send Vegetto into the next world. Vegetto then says Boo can try (I didn't screen cap that).






They begin fighting again. Vegetto appears to beat up on Boo, but Boo doesn't seem too impressed. He regenerates nonetheless. The FUNimation dub makes Boo sound as if he's genuinely upset about the beating Vegetto gave him.



Boo starts to go a little crazy and appears to power up, but all this just results in him creating a planet buster. No increase in power is noted. Vegetto calls all of Boo's planet busting threat just a bunch of "bluster," and says it won't beat him. After he sends the ball into space (which Boo grins at), he moves up to Boo's position, and they talk a bit (Boo says Vegetto's been toying with him all along in the FUNimation dub in the first screen cap). After Boo says Vegetto hasn't surpassed him, Vegetto questions this and then transforms.







And that's it.

So what do you think? Was Boo right that he was still superior to Base Vegetto? Or was Base Vegetto actually superior and Boo just couldn't admit it?

Personally, I'm trusting Boo on this one. I mean, Vegetto does transform for a reason after Boo's last comment IMO. At most, I'd meet halfway and put them as equals.

http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=8571832&t=8385954

Maybe it doesn't follow the anime, but it certainly doesn't follow the manga either. It's its own thing (movie villains appear and contradicts manga hell).

Vegito wanted Buu to feel absolutely hopeless. When Buu is still bragging about his supposed superiority after getting toyed with, Vegito transforms to show off the gap between them, and continues to do so throughout the battle. I have Base Vegito being on par or slightly superior, if only because of Buu's regeneration.

I meant in terms of power-scaling. GT can follow some of the filler, I mostly meant the Buu arc mess. GT follows the manga logic for that, surprisingly.

[Noah]

- GT Goku or Z Goku? Only GT Goku can beat Super Buu.

- Super Vegeta-Baby > Base Vegeta-Baby > SS3 Goku > Base Goku >~ General Rild > Gohan-Buu, SVB1 one-shots him.

- 16 is stated to be above 13, let alone Form 2 Cell.

- Pure Buu takes it in a long, difficult, drawn out fight.

- Goku didn't reach SSJ4 in Z , so yeah is he from GT

- How the heck is Base GT Goku above Super Boo (Gohan Absorbed)? I mean it's okay to he be above a SSJ3 in base, because in BoG he already is... And Isn't General Rild above Majin Boo (before split) only? It is too much overstimate putting him at Boo-han tier, I think

- Where is stated 16 to be above Super 13?

- Is Kid Boo really stronger than Fat Boo (before split)?

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

- Goku didn't reach SSJ4 in Z , so yeah is he from GT

- How the heck is Base GT Goku above Super Boo (Gohan Absorbed)? I mean it's okay to he be above a SSJ3 in base, because in BoG he already is... And Isn't General Rild above Majin Boo (before split)? It is too much overstimate putting him at Boo-han tier

- Where is stated 16 to be above Super 13?

- Is Kid Boo really stronger than Fat Boo (before split)?

- Well, then he slaughters Buu in base, let alone SS4.

- Here is my write up, I think it is rather convincing (I am okay if you disagree with it, though.)

- Daizenshuu, he's said to be Gero's strongest creation besides Cell.

- Yes, he gave SS3 Goku a better fight.

[fadeddreams5]

Those screens only show me Buu being a pompous, overconfident douche, honestly. Meanwhile, every other scene, he's seen getting his ass kicked by a Vegito who is also holding back. Actions over words. It goes like this:

> Buu comments that he is not impressed.
> Effortlessly beaten.
> Buu comments that he is toying around.
> Effortlessly beaten.
> Buu comments that he is done playing around and shoots giant planet-busting ball.
> Ball is effortlessly deflected.
> Buu compliments Vegito, but claims he's still superior.
> Vegito makes him eat his words by showing off the true gap between them.
> Buu is still not impressed, despite likely sensing the obvious difference in power.
> Gets beaten senselessly.

Buu never powered up or showed that he could hold his own against Base Vegito. He just kept preaching his superiority.

[supercat]

GT can't follow the Z anime, in terms of power-scaling at least. Even if it did, you'd still get: Base Rild > Anime Pure Buu > Gohan-Buu

Here's what I got on Base Vegetto:

Spoiler:

Most of us probably think Base Vegetto in the anime (and maybe even in the manga) is a lot stronger than Gohan-Boo due to how their fight went. But all is not as it seems...behold!

Before they get to any fighting, Boo doesn't think Vegetto can beat him. At this point, the only thing Vegetto has done is slice Boo's cheek.




After they fight a bit, with Vegetto seemingly beating on Boo and then Boo seemingly beating on Vegetto and sending him into a crater below, Vegetto says he "felt that a bit," to which Boo says he was still holding back.



The two go on to fight some more. Vegetto blasts away most of Boo's body, to which Boo smiles and regenerates, and then after a cut scene of Mr. Satan and Dende, the two are seen fighting evenly. When they stop, Boo comments that Vegetto really does seem stronger than Goku and Vegeta individually, Vegetto says he's strong enough to kill Boo, and Boo says he's done playing around and will send Vegetto into the next world. Vegetto then says Boo can try (I didn't screen cap that).






They begin fighting again. Vegetto appears to beat up on Boo, but Boo doesn't seem too impressed. He regenerates nonetheless. The FUNimation dub makes Boo sound as if he's genuinely upset about the beating Vegetto gave him.



Boo starts to go a little crazy and appears to power up, but all this just results in him creating a planet buster. No increase in power is noted. Vegetto calls all of Boo's planet busting threat just a bunch of "bluster," and says it won't beat him. After he sends the ball into space (which Boo grins at), he moves up to Boo's position, and they talk a bit (Boo says Vegetto's been toying with him all along in the FUNimation dub in the first screen cap). After Boo says Vegetto hasn't surpassed him, Vegetto questions this and then transforms.







And that's it.

So what do you think? Was Boo right that he was still superior to Base Vegetto? Or was Base Vegetto actually superior and Boo just couldn't admit it?

Personally, I'm trusting Boo on this one. I mean, Vegetto does transform for a reason after Boo's last comment IMO. At most, I'd meet halfway and put them as equals.

http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=8571832&t=8385954

Maybe it doesn't follow the anime, but it certainly doesn't follow the manga either. It's its own thing (movie villains appear and contradicts manga hell).

Vegito wanted Buu to feel absolutely hopeless. When Buu is still bragging about his supposed superiority after getting toyed with, Vegito transforms to show off the gap between them, and continues to do so throughout the battle. I have Base Vegito being on par or slightly superior, if only because of Buu's regeneration.

I meant in terms of power-scaling. GT can follow some of the filler, I mostly meant the Buu arc mess. GT follows the manga logic for that, surprisingly.

Now I feel like popping in my Buu Saga DVD and watching that scene all over again!

Good read though. I feel it further reinforces the fact that anime Buuhan and anime Base Vegetto can't be that far off from each other in terms of power. I'd say they're relatively on par with one another.

Got some battles:

SSJ4 Goku x Super Boo (Gohan Absorbed)

Super Boo (Gohan Absorbed) x Super Baby Vegeta

Semi Perfect Cell x Super Android 13

Majin Boo (Before split) x Kid Boo

I didn't even see these..

-SSJ4 Goku trashes Buuhan with relative ease.

-Yet again another defeat for Buuhan at the hands of a GT character.

-Could be close, but I'd give it to Semi-perfect Cell.

-Kid Buu would utterly humiliate his larger counterpart.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

This is the part that seals it for me:

Buu: "However, you still cannot say you surpassed me!"
Vegetto: "Is that so? In that case, how about I show you?"
*immediately transforms*

Vegetto "shows" Buu he's stronger by transforming, instead of continuing to kick his ass in base.

Base Vegetto being ~ or ~< Gohan-Buu works fine even by the anime.

[fadeddreams5]

This is the part that seals it for me:

Buu: "However, you still cannot say you surpassed me!"
Vegetto: "Is that so? In that case, how about I show you?"
*immediately transforms*

Vegetto "shows" Buu he's stronger by transforming, instead of continuing to kick his ass in base.

Base Vegetto being ~ or ~< Gohan-Buu works fine even by the anime.

That's why I feel Base Vegito is comparable enough to be on par, if only because of Buu's regeneration. Otherwise, I see him being slightly superior if Buu really wasn't bluffing. By transforming, he closed any doubts.

[supercat]

This is the part that seals it for me:

Buu: "However, you still cannot say you surpassed me!"
Vegetto: "Is that so? In that case, how about I show you?"
*immediately transforms*

Vegetto "shows" Buu he's stronger by transforming, instead of continuing to kick his ass in base.

Base Vegetto being ~ or ~< Gohan-Buu works fine even by the anime.

That could mean one of two things.

1. Buu'han was bluffing.

2. Base Vegetto and Buuhan were completely on par with one another.

Personally, I feel #1 is quite unlikely, so I'm more inclined to go with #2. I believe Buuhan and Vegetto were basically equal in strength, so the latter needed to transform in order to subdue his powerful opponent.

[ZombieVito]

Piccolo (2008 OVA) vs SSJ Trunks (3 years after CG).
Piccolo (BoG) vs SSJ Trunks (3 years after CG).
Piccolo (RoF) vs SSJ Trunks (3 years after CG).
Piccolo (RoF) vs East Kaioshin (No magic).

[SSJ God Gogeta]

I don't see piccolo winning any of those matches.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Piccolo (2008 OVA) vs SSJ Trunks (3 years after CG).
Piccolo (BoG) vs SSJ Trunks (3 years after CG).
Piccolo (RoF) vs SSJ Trunks (3 years after CG).
Piccolo (RoF) vs East Kaioshin (No magic).

Loses to all of the Trunks but one-shots Kaioshit.

[SSJ God Gogeta]

This is (RoF) Piccolo. He get's tired and the Kaioshin knocks him over.

[AvatarReiko]

Base Kid Gohan(Post ROSAT) vs SSJ Goten(Pre-ROSAT)

[Noah]

- Well, then he slaughters Buu in base, let alone SS4.

- Here is my write up, I think it is rather convincing (I am okay if you disagree with it, though.)

- Daizenshuu, he's said to be Gero's strongest creation besides Cell.

- Yes, he gave SS3 Goku a better fight.

- Well, SSJ4 Goku is at Super Vegetto tier isn't? So if Base GT Goku is at Boo-han tier, I think SSJ4 should be a lot stronger than that, don't you think?

- But do Danzenshuu include movies and specials? I've just read some parts, so I don't really know

[Lord Beerus]

Base Kid Gohan(Post ROSAT) vs SSJ Goten(Pre-ROSAT)

Why do you hate Gohan so much? He gets decimated by Goten. Hell, Goten in his base form at that stage could destroy Kid Gohan.

[DBZAOTA482]

Base Kid Gohan(Post ROSAT) vs SSJ Goten(Pre-ROSAT)

Why do you hate Gohan so much? He gets decimated by Goten. Hell, Goten in his base form at that stage could destroy Kid Gohan.

No way is he losing.

[supercat]

Piccolo (2008 OVA) vs SSJ Trunks (3 years after CG).
Piccolo (BoG) vs SSJ Trunks (3 years after CG).
Piccolo (RoF) vs SSJ Trunks (3 years after CG).
Piccolo (RoF) vs East Kaioshin (No magic).

Piccolo loses all of these. I see the Namekian closing in on Cell Jr. tier by the events of the Buu arc. If Trunks trained 3 years subsequent to the Cell Games, it's likely he's gone far past the level of a mere Cell Jr. Therefore, taking down the Namekian with ease should be no problem for the lone hero. As for Kaioshin, I've always had the impression that he was marginally above that realm of power altogether.

The underrated overseer seems to have left a weak impression due to his hesitancy to take Babidi's lackeys lightly. However, I'm strongly inclined to believe that such behavior was more strongly associated with caution rather than actual fear. Plus, the guy had to watch his brethren get mercilessly slaughtered or absorbed by the vile menace and his wizard pal, so naturally, anyone affiliated with the duo will make him feel apprehensive.

Base Kid Gohan(Post ROSAT) vs SSJ Goten(Pre-ROSAT)

There's no way any Base Saiyan from the Cell Games is going to be able to stand up to an SSJ from the Buu arc, or any SSJ for that matter (with the exclusion of SSJ Bardock possibly). Beerus seemed explicit about the fact that Base Goku was still below Frieza. Considering how the strongest of the Base Saiyans still falls short of reaching the same level of power as the tyrant (who is even weaker than an SSJ), I highly doubt any of the other Base Saiyans came even close to surpassing their golden haired counterparts.

Another battle:
Sauza vs Captain Ginyu (equal power, unlimited stamina, no body swapping)