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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by supercat » Thu Jul 16, 2015 2:46 am

RedRibbonSoldier#42 wrote:
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Do you honestly believe that (the H-word) could destroy the moon, or generate an attack even remotely close to the level of power behind Roshi's Kamehameha? Also, had it not been for Buu, the champ would have eventually succumbed to his bullet wound. I don't recall some magical being having to heal Goku after he got shot.
Goku didn't need magic. His durability is higher than Mr. Satan's. But since the bullets still did damage, it means that (beginning of series) Goku is not indestructible by normal human means. And ki blast power and martial arts power are two separate things. Roshi could kamehameha the moon to pieces, but he could not destroy the moon with a physical strike. Likewise, even if Mr. Satan can't destroy the moon, his martial art strength could be as great as Roshi's
Exactly, unlike Hercule, Goku didn't need the assistance of magic to survive a bullet wound.

I hate to bring this topic up again, but the fact that Sorbet's laser was able to pierce through SSGSS Goku shows that the Saiyan does need to leverage ki to enhance his durability.

Last I recall, unless you're a brawny beast like Yajirobe, (which Hercule is clearly not), ki power and strength are basically synonymous in the world of Dragon Ball. The only other beings who probably possess durability uninfluenced by ki are Frieza and the androids.

Other than shattering a few tiles, what striking power has Hercule ever displayed? How exactly would such a feat even be comparable to dishing out considerable damage to beings with super human abilities?
In Brightest Day wrote:A few fights :

- Chaozu (Saiyan arc) vs. Jaco (DB Minus).
- Bardocks crew (Toma, Seripa, Pambukin, Totepo) vs. Piccolo and 3 Namekian warriors.
- Freeza's henchmen from the beginning of Namek (Raspberry, Appule, etc.) vs. Piccolo, Tenshinhan, Krillin, Yamcha and Son Gohan (Saiyan arc).
- SSJ Vegeta vs. SSJ Future Trunks and Piccolo (Android arc).
-Jaco one-shots. He was casually able to take on fighters who presumably possess power levels ranging from 500 - 3,000 (or even higher).

-I'm assuming that you're referring to Piccolo from the Saiyan arc, and that Bardock is excluded from this battle. The Namekians would likely take this as they probably have a marginal advantage in strength. Bardock's buddies are probably somewhere around 1,000 on the low end, and 2,500 on the high end of that spectrum. There's really no reason they should be substantially ahead of Raditz.

-The Z-Fighters take this with an exceptional amount of difficulty. However, the proper usage of Shin Kikoho and Makankosappo are probably necessitated.

-If Vegeta goes all out right from the get-go, he may be able to claim victory. With that said, considering how his son was not that far below him, and the Namekian was probably somewhere in the same realm of power as SSJ Trunks (against Frieza), even the slightest bit of playing around would likely get the proud prince killed.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by dbzfan7 » Thu Jul 16, 2015 3:09 am

In Brightest Day wrote:A few fights :

- Chaozu (Saiyan arc) vs. Jaco (DB Minus).
- Bardocks crew (Toma, Seripa, Pambukin, Totepo) vs. Piccolo and 3 Namekian warriors.
- Freeza's henchmen from the beginning of Namek (Raspberry, Appule, etc.) vs. Piccolo, Tenshinhan, Krillin, Yamcha and Son Gohan (Saiyan arc).
- SSJ Vegeta vs. SSJ Future Trunks and Piccolo (Android arc).
Since this is Minus Jaco, Chaozu. Jaco can't take on adult saiyans if I recall, while Saiyan arc Chaozu I think could with his powers helping him.

The Namekians I think are somewhat stronger, and win after a moderate difficult fight.

The Z Fighters have this so long as we don't include people from Cui and up.

Trunks ain't that much weaker than Vegeta, and with Piccolo I think they can pull it off.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Captain Space » Thu Jul 16, 2015 5:02 am

Let us not forget that:

-It's not implied that Mr. Satan and Tao even really fought--more that Tao bitchslapped him away and took his leave.

-Even if we're just comparing martial arts prowess and leaving out magic energy beams, Roshi caught machine-gun bullets. Mr. Satan doing that? Hahaha, no.
In Brightest Day wrote:A few fights :

- Chaozu (Saiyan arc) vs. Jaco (DB Minus).
- Bardocks crew (Toma, Seripa, Pambukin, Totepo) vs. Piccolo and 3 Namekian warriors.
- Freeza's henchmen from the beginning of Namek (Raspberry, Appule, etc.) vs. Piccolo, Tenshinhan, Krillin, Yamcha and Son Gohan (Saiyan arc).
- SSJ Vegeta vs. SSJ Future Trunks and Piccolo (Android arc).
-Haven't read Jaco's manga, but if RF Jaco and that Jaco (who is closer to Minus in time period) are the same level, Jaco should have this; kicking the asses of so many Freeza soldiers like that, whereas I doubt Chaozu could take more than one or two at best. If Jaco is weaker in his own manga (and therefore in Minus), all bets are off.

...although wait, Roshi took a good few out in that movie too. So...I guess those soldiers were really weak? I dunno.

-Gonna assume you mean saiyan saga Piccolo, since anything later is a hilarious stomp for the Namekians. Given how Piccolo did against Nappa, and the manga has no "commander of this or that" line to imply Nappa is all that special of a saiyan, probably the saiyans win this one.

-The Earth team. They're all above Raditz at the least, and given Gohan and Krillin's performance against Freeza's scouts, I'm inclined to think Raditz is above most of Freeza's fodder troops.

-Trunks and Piccolo; Vegeta wasn't that far above them.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by AvatarReiko » Thu Jul 16, 2015 12:20 pm

Kaboom wrote: The un-fused base Saiyans at least fought some fodder in Bobbidi's ship, but base Gotenks did nothing but get his ass kicked and serve as the butt of some jokes. He has nothing showing him to be anything extraordinarily special in his base form. Since in new material we're told base Goku's still weaker than Freeza, then even if Gotenks is multiple times stronger overall than the other Saiyans, that would "only" put his base form on-par with the Androids or something.
How can Base Gotenks be that weak if his super saiyan form is in the same realm as super saiyan 3 Goku? Personally, I belive that Beerus was referring t Goku's resting Pl. Goku was simply standing around on King Kai's planet when Beerus appeared and we never saw him power up before that. There is nothing that suggests that he was at his maxium base PL when Beerus examined him. Heck, he wasn't even using Kaioken. The Z warriors do not walk about their daily lives constantly at max power. They have a sort of resting state and they increase their PL whenever they fight. Before powering up, Goku's initial PL when he confronted Nappa was below 9000, and his starting PL against the Ginyu force was 5000. When Frieza's goons scanned Trunks, his resting PL was mere 5. If there had at least been aura around Goku and sweat on his face, I would buy Beerus' statement. By contrast, Goku was completely relaxed in that scene and nothing there indicated that he was at his maximum(Base/SSJ threshold)

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Doctor. » Thu Jul 16, 2015 12:31 pm

supercat wrote:-Jaco one-shots. He was casually able to take on fighters who presumably possess power levels ranging from 500 - 3,000 (or even higher).
This is Minus Jaco, like 40 (?) years before RF where he himself said couldn't take on an adult Saiyan (which you can interpret as 23rd TB Goku strength or around Raditz, but I usually stick with 23rd TB Goku).

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Lord Beerus » Thu Jul 16, 2015 12:38 pm

Here are a few match ups from your truly:
- Base Gotenks (Pre-ROSAT) vs Movie 10 LSSJ Broly
- Golden Freeza vs Syn Shenron
- Chi Chi vs 22nd WMAT Jackie Chun
- Cyborg Tao vs Kami
- Piccolo (Post Kami Fusion) vs SSJ Vegeta (Post-ROSAT)
- Dr Wheelo vs Zarbon and Dodoria

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Hellspawn28 » Thu Jul 16, 2015 12:48 pm

Base ROF Goku vs. Hirudegarn

Who wins?
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by LightBing » Thu Jul 16, 2015 12:50 pm

In Brightest Day wrote:A few fights :

- Chaozu (Saiyan arc) vs. Jaco (DB Minus).
- Bardocks crew (Toma, Seripa, Pambukin, Totepo) vs. Piccolo and 3 Namekian warriors.
- Freeza's henchmen from the beginning of Namek (Raspberry, Appule, etc.) vs. Piccolo, Tenshinhan, Krillin, Yamcha and Son Gohan (Saiyan arc).
- SSJ Vegeta vs. SSJ Future Trunks and Piccolo (Android arc).
- Chiaotzu is much stronger than Jaco, doesn't even need to use the dodonpa.
- If the crew was indeed low-class, they get destroyed specially if they rely on their scouters. Only by going Oozaru can they win.
- The Earth Forces win. Most of the weaker henchmen get one shot-ed will in shock after there scouters start beeping. Appule is able to kill Yamcha, Kuririn and Tien team up using their strongest attacks and kill him securing a win.
- The duo wins taking some damage. Trunks can keep up with Vegeta and with Piccolo support they can overwhelm him.

New fight:
Ginyu Force vs Planet Vegeta (Minus) - This is an invasion, Bardock is suspicious and convinces a few Saiyans to get in stand by and ready for defense. King Vegeta is in the Planet. It was said that they numbered in the few thousands.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Captain Space » Thu Jul 16, 2015 12:58 pm

Lord Beerus wrote:Here are a few match ups from your truly:
- Base Gotenks (Pre-ROSAT) vs Movie 10 LSSJ Broly
- Golden Freeza vs Syn Shenron
- Chi Chi vs 22nd WMAT Jackie Chun
- Cyborg Tao vs Kami
- Piccolo (Post Kami Fusion) vs SSJ Vegeta (Post-ROSAT)
- Dr Wheelo vs Zarbon and Dodoria
-Broly. I don't think Gotenks was all that in base until his RoSaT training.

-Freeza, I'd say. Really the only GT characters that come close to matching the BoG/RF heavy-hitters, in my personal opinion, are Omega Shenron and SSJ4 Gogeta (i.e. those well and truly far beyond SSJ4-tier).

-Tough call. As established above, Chi-Chi > Chappa > Tao, etc., but I dunno where exactly 22nd Tenshinhan and Roshi/Chun are in relation to them (well, I mean, Tenshinhan was above Tao, but other than that).

-Kami > 23rd Tenshinhan (and indeed everyone but Goku and Piccolo) > Cyborg Tao. Kami flicks Tao away like he did to Kid Goku.

-Vegeta's first RoSaT visit or his second? If first, Piccolo, if second, Vegeta.

-Pretty sure the implication (albeit with some movie chronology weirdness) was that this was a post-saiyan-arc Goku, and yet even so a Kaioken x3 (or 4?) barely had enough to push Wheelo back; however, factoring in his relative lack of speed, the two on one factor, and Zarbon's transformation, I'd say Zarbon and Dodoria win, but not at all easily.
New fight:
Ginyu Force vs Planet Vegeta (Minus) - This is an invasion, Bardock is suspicious and convinces a few Saiyans to get in stand by and ready for defense. King Vegeta is in the Planet. It was said that they numbered in the few thousands.
Ginyu Force; this should play out like the big sprawling battles in RF, only against so many opponents the Ginyus put their well-honed teamwork skills to work instead of lazing around, and can cover for each other to avoid getting too fatigued or worn down.
Base ROF Goku vs. Hirudegarn

Who wins?
Goku, with ease. Even before exploiting its weakness, SSJ3 Goku was able to go a few rounds with it, and by RF he's strong enough in base that he and Vegeta could apparently fight evenly with Beerus if they fought together.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by DBZAOTA482 » Thu Jul 16, 2015 1:15 pm

RedRibbonSoldier#42 wrote:
Kaboom wrote:
RedRibbonSoldier#42 wrote:Am I the only one that thinks Videl is stronger than Chi Chi?
It's just very, VERY unlikely.

Chi-Chi's got an official power level on par with Muten Roshi and has demonstrated some pretty crazy raw strength with those insane jumps and stuff. Videl, meanwhile, just got some basic "Ki Usage 101" training in order to fly, but is still weak enough to be hurt by bullets.
still, Videl is pretty impressive by human standards. She is stronger than Mr. Satan, who despite being the joke of the series legitimately won a world tournament, she easily beat thugs in the Saiyaman arc, can fly pretty well by the end of the series ( i don't think Chi Chi has any chi manipulation skills ) and she would have beaten spopovich if not for the majin power up. Chi chi wasn't all that amazing in her fight with Goku
Those facts mean nothing.

Even though Mr. Satan did become a world champion it was clear the level of competition was nothing like the ones when Goku and co. were participating as the announcer even laments on and sure, Videl fights common thugs (which isn't all that impressive) on a regular basis but she couldn't destroy a punching bag despite hitting it multiple times with all her might and got tired after just a few exchanges against an opponent of a similar caliber.

Whereas Chi-Chi capable of casually one-shotting Earth's elite fighters (keep in mind the 23rd TB was the hardest year when only the super experts could make it through) just as the other finalists have and even while ignoring her number in guidebooks has demonstrated speed, strength, and skill that shocked Muten Roshi himself:
Strength Checker wrote:Chapter: 171, P4.1
Kame-sennin: “I don’t know quite what’s going on here, but that girl is quite a master…Wh-what’s more, [her style] resembles my own Kame-sen School…”
It's also worth nothing her performance against Goku was better than Tao's against Tien (barring his weapons).
In Brightest Day wrote:A few fights :

- Bardocks crew (Toma, Seripa, Pambukin, Totepo) vs. Piccolo and 3 Namekian warriors.
- Freeza's henchmen from the beginning of Namek (Raspberry, Appule, etc.) vs. Piccolo, Tenshinhan, Krillin, Yamcha and Son Gohan (Saiyan arc).
- SSJ Vegeta vs. SSJ Future Trunks and Piccolo (Android arc).
-Piccolo flicks Bardock's crew all away
-As much as I'd hate to say it but the henchmen claim this
-Of course, SSJ Future Trunks and Piccolo. Vegeta wasn't that far ahead of them
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DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
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I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by DBZAOTA482 » Thu Jul 16, 2015 1:20 pm

Lord Beerus wrote:Here are a few match ups from your truly:
- Base Gotenks (Pre-ROSAT) vs Movie 10 LSSJ Broly
- Golden Freeza vs Syn Shenron
- Chi Chi vs 22nd WMAT Jackie Chun
- Cyborg Tao vs Kami
- Piccolo (Post Kami Fusion) vs SSJ Vegeta (Post-ROSAT)
- Dr Wheelo vs Zarbon and Dodoria
-Broly slaughters this kid
-Freeza
-Jackie tries to pafu-pafu then is smacked away and Chi-Chi tells him to take her seriously then he does... they fight like Goku vs. Tien. It's uphill for Jackie while Chi-CHi is even tired then she compliments him especially as her father's master then gets serious and stomps
-Kami stomps
-Vegeta wins pretty easily. ASSJ Vegeta was smacking around Semi-Perfect and the ASSJ multiplier isn't that great, while Piccolo couldn't even damage Imperfect Cell
-Dodoria is all that is needed to destroy the machine
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fadeddreams5 wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
jjgp1112 wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.

I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by supercat » Thu Jul 16, 2015 1:34 pm

Doctor. wrote:
supercat wrote:-Jaco one-shots. He was casually able to take on fighters who presumably possess power levels ranging from 500 - 3,000 (or even higher).
This is Minus Jaco, like 40 (?) years before RF where he himself said couldn't take on an adult Saiyan (which you can interpret as 23rd TB Goku strength or around Raditz, but I usually stick with 23rd TB Goku).
Ah yeah, I completely misread that. It was getting late :oops:

I'd say Jaco (DB Minus) is more or less on par with Goku (Beginning of Z), so he goes down after putting up a decent fight.
Lord Beerus wrote:Here are a few match ups from your truly:
- Base Gotenks (Pre-ROSAT) vs Movie 10 LSSJ Broly
- Golden Freeza vs Syn Shenron
- Chi Chi vs 22nd WMAT Jackie Chun
- Cyborg Tao vs Kami
- Piccolo (Post Kami Fusion) vs SSJ Vegeta (Post-ROSAT)
- Dr Wheelo vs Zarbon and Dodoria
-Broly one-shots Base Gotenks. Even after diligently training in the RoSaT, unless the latter goes SSJ, he has no chance here whatsoever.

-After making quick work of the Shadow Dragon, Golden Frieza offers him the opportunity to become one of his lackeys. Offended, Syn charges the tyrant as a last ditch effort, but is killed instantly.

I'd say Golden Frieza is more or less a notch below Syn's stronger transformation (Omega Shenron), so this should be an exceptionally easy victory for the tyrant.

-Aside from the fact that he's more seasoned, Roshi has far more damaging techniques at his disposal. One Kamehameha would be enough to take care of Chi Chi.

-Tough one.. both of them are quite exceptional on the battlefield as far as actual fighting prowess is concerned. However, Kami's superior power level should be able to trump Tao's mercenary tactics.

-Vegeta beats the Namekian down in a matter of seconds and tells him to go spend some time in the RoSaT before even thinking about challenging him again.

Piccolo was a fodder compared to Imperfect Cell (post human absorption), while Vegeta was able to casually trash the biological android's semi-perfect form.

-Considering how Goku has access to the Kaioken and the Spirit Bomb, this is definitely after he trained with King Kai. Barring the weird order of events, I'd say this may even be after the big battle against Vegeta and Nappa. Assuming the events of Movie 2 do in fact follow the Saiyan prince's defeat, the Kaioken that Goku displayed should be enough to crush Dodoria and possibly even Zarbon (transformed). Seeing how Wheelo survived such a devastating attack, I'd say the giant brain has enough durability to endure quite the punishment. However, in the long run, the combined might of Frieza's top lackeys may be too much for this mad scientist to overcome.
Hellspawn28 wrote:Base ROF Goku vs. Hirudegarn

Who wins?
Goku one-shots the giant monster with the utmost ease. He was able to give Final Form Frieza (who by power scaling is likely far above SSJ Vegetto) quite the beating.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Captain Space » Thu Jul 16, 2015 1:37 pm

DBZAOTA482 wrote:
Strength Checker wrote:Chapter: 171, P4.1
Kame-sennin: “I don’t know quite what’s going on here, but that girl is quite a master…"/quote]
Ah, also handy and I wasn't aware of that part of his line. Pre-Z, having Roshi call you a "master" is a pretty big deal.
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Post by ZombieVito » Thu Jul 16, 2015 2:29 pm

In Brightest Day wrote:A few fights :

- Chaozu (Saiyan arc) vs. Jaco (DB Minus).
- Bardocks crew (Toma, Seripa, Pambukin, Totepo) vs. Piccolo and 3 Namekian warriors.
- Freeza's henchmen from the beginning of Namek (Raspberry, Appule, etc.) vs. Piccolo, Tenshinhan, Krillin, Yamcha and Son Gohan (Saiyan arc).
- SSJ Vegeta vs. SSJ Future Trunks and Piccolo (Android arc).
Since this is Minus Jaco, Chaoz beats him up.
They all have comparable BP's IMO. I give it to the Namek team though. The Saiyan team will make the same mistakes Raditz and Freeza's soldiers did.
Piccolo (3,500) alone one shots them all.
SSJ Vegeta wins with high difficulty.
Lord Beerus wrote:Here are a few match ups from your truly:
- Base Gotenks (Pre-ROSAT) vs Movie 10 LSSJ Broly
- Golden Freeza vs Syn Shenron
- Chi Chi vs 22nd WMAT Jackie Chun
- Cyborg Tao vs Kami
- Piccolo (Post Kami Fusion) vs SSJ Vegeta (Post-ROSAT)
- Dr Wheelo vs Zarbon and Dodoria
Base Gotenks gets spanked and defused in seconds.
Golden Freeza I guess.
Roshi is 9 points higher than Chi Chi and has way more experience and techniques, it would be a long fight but I don't see him losing.
If this is 23rd TB Kami then he one shots. If this is Saiyan Arc Kami then it becomes a very interesting fight (220 vs 210).
SSJ Vegeta one shots.
I guess all 3 of them have comparable power. I'll give it to Zarbon and Dodoria.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Hero » Thu Jul 16, 2015 2:54 pm

Yay! First post haha.

A few what-if fights from me:

1. 23rd WMAT Yamcha vs. Old King Piccolo
2. 23rd WMAT Tien vs. Young King Piccolo
3. Beginning of Z Tien vs 23rd WMAT Goku
4. Raditz vs 1 Saibaman
5. Raditz vs 2 Saibamen
6. Saiyan Saga Yamcha vs Raditz
7. Saiyan Saga Yamcha vs 2 Raditzes

My predictions:
1. Yamcha actually wins this one. His performance in the 23rd WMAT was good enough to earn praise from Kami. The surprise spirit ball he used against Kami would've been enough to badly damage Old King Piccolo in my opinion.

2. Tien wins this. He believed he was at a level high enough to fight the Goku that had beat King Piccolo + 3 years training with God. I doubt Tien would've signed up for the tournament if he wasn't even as strong as Goku from 3 years ago.

3. Tien wins this for similar reasons as above.

4. Raditz has this. They may be at similar power levels but Raditz has at least some fighting skill.

5. Raditz loses. He couldn't take one two sub- 500 power levels.

6. Yamcha wins this. Unless Raditz somehow learns how to blow himself up.

7. Sorry Yamcha I'm not gonna be that nice to you today. The Raditz twins win.
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Post by DBZAOTA482 » Thu Jul 16, 2015 2:59 pm

Hero wrote:Yay! First post haha.

A few what-if fights from me:

1. 23rd WMAT Yamcha vs. Old King Piccolo
2. 23rd WMAT Tenshinhan vs. Young King Piccolo
3. Beginning of Z Tenshinhan vs 23rd WMAT Goku
4. Raditz vs 1 Saibaman
5. Raditz vs 2 Saibamen
6. Saiyan Saga Yamcha vs Raditz
7. Saiyan Saga Yamcha vs 2 Raditzes
1. Yamcha wins with low-mid difficulty
2. Tien wins with slight effort
3. I don't think Tien is much different from how he was at the 23rd Budokai. He still gets tooled.
4. Raditz wins due to skill advantage
5. This is 2 much for Raditz
6. Yamcha loses... cuz he's Yamcha
7. Yamcha definitely can't win here
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DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
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I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by SSJ God Gogeta » Thu Jul 16, 2015 3:09 pm

Hero wrote:Yay! First post haha.

A few what-if fights from me:

1. 23rd WMAT Yamcha vs. Old King Piccolo
2. 23rd WMAT Tenshinhan vs. Young King Piccolo
3. Beginning of Z Tenshinhan vs 23rd WMAT Goku
4. Raditz vs 1 Saibaman
5. Raditz vs 2 Saibamen
6. Saiyan Saga Yamcha vs Raditz
7. Saiyan Saga Yamcha vs 2 Raditzes
  • I can see Yamcha pulling a win
  • Tenshinhan wins
  • Goku should have this one but it would be a close fight
  • Raditz
  • Raditz gets Yamcha'd
  • Yamcha loses
  • Yamcha gets destroyed
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by SSJ2FutureGohan » Thu Jul 16, 2015 3:28 pm

Lord Beerus wrote:Here are a few match ups from your truly:
- Base Gotenks (Pre-ROSAT) vs Movie 10 LSSJ Broly
- Golden Freeza vs Syn Shenron
- Chi Chi vs 22nd WMAT Jackie Chun
- Cyborg Tao vs Kami
- Piccolo (Post Kami Fusion) vs SSJ Vegeta (Post-ROSAT)
- Dr Wheelo vs Zarbon and Dodoria
- I don't believe pre-RoSaT Base Gotenks to be SS2 tier, so he loses, in my opinion.
- Yi Xing Long stomps a mudhole in Freeza, Beers, and Whiss simultaneously.
- Chichi slaughters him, I don't see Roshi giving weighted Goku that much trouble.
- Taopaipai should be weaker than Young Daimao, so he'd get finger flicked like Goku did.
- Uh... is Kamiccolo post-RoSaT also? Assuming he is, he'd beat 1st day Vegeta, but lose to 2nd day Vegeta.
- The team wins (gut feeling).
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A few what-if fights from me:

1. 23rd WMAT Yamcha vs. Old King Piccolo
2. 23rd WMAT Tenshinhan vs. Young King Piccolo
3. Beginning of Z Tenshinhan vs 23rd WMAT Goku
4. Raditz vs 1 Saibaman
5. Raditz vs 2 Saibamen
6. Saiyan Saga Yamcha vs Raditz
7. Saiyan Saga Yamcha vs 2 Raditzes
1. Yamcha wins, in my opinion.
2. It's shown Tenshinhan is superior in every way to Goku from 3 years back, who's slightly stronger than Young Daimao. Tenshinhan flattens KP.
3. Tenshinhan probably loses. He should still be below Kami-sama.
4. It'd be similar to Vegeta vs. KKx2 Goku, Raditz wins with not too much difficulty.
5. Raditz is overwhelmed.
6. Yamcha edges out the win with better skill and the Sokidan.
7. Yamcha gets Yamcha'd.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Noah » Thu Jul 16, 2015 3:43 pm

Here some new matches:

- Future SSJ Gohan x Future Android #17 (it is implied in special 2 that he could beat the android one-on-one, but in the manga not all)

- Future SSJ Gohan x SSJ Goku (After Yardrat or after 3 years training)

- Future SSJ Gohan x Mecha Freeza, King Cold

- Future SSJ Trunks x SSJ Goku (In Namek or after Yardrat)

- SSJ Goku (against #19) x Future Android 18

- Piccolo (Post RoSaT) x Semi Perfect Cell

- Piccolo (Post RoSaT) x Super Vegeta (against Cell)

- FPSSJ Goku, FPSSJ Gohan x Perfect Cell

- Majin Vegeta x Super Perfect Cell

- LSSJ Broly ( M8 ) x Perfect Cell

- LSSJ Broly ( M10 ) x SSJ2 Teen Gohan (Android Arc)

- SSJ Gotenks (Post or Before RoSaT) x Super Perfect Cell

- Majin Boo (before split) x Super Perfect Cell
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Draconic » Thu Jul 16, 2015 4:03 pm

Lord Beerus wrote:Here are a few match ups from your truly:
- Base Gotenks (Pre-ROSAT) vs Movie 10 LSSJ Broly
- Golden Freeza vs Syn Shenron
- Chi Chi vs 22nd WMAT Jackie Chun
- Cyborg Tao vs Kami
- Piccolo (Post Kami Fusion) vs SSJ Vegeta (Post-ROSAT)
- Dr Wheelo vs Zarbon and Dodoria
-Broly. I don't think Gotenks was as powerful as a SSJ2 in his base form and, I think even if he had the power to beat Broly, his arrogant nature would lead the Legendary Saiyan to win.
-assuming Frieza fights without knowing his power is dropping, I would say his Golden form is enough to defeat regular Syn Shenron. If he chooses to toy with him, though, his power might drop enough for Syn to win.
-Jackie Chun
-Kami was supposedly stronger than Piccolo Daimao, if I remember correctly and I don't see Cyborg Tao capable of winning against Daimao, therefore neither against Kami.
-Zarbon and Dodoria. Maybe against one at a time, Wheelo might stand a chance, but the two would pull the win.
-I think Vegeta is a little bit stronger in just SSJ. But Piccolo is a better tactician than him, so I could see him pulling the win. Depends on how seriously Vegeta takes the fight.
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