Powerlevels

USSJed · Post by **USSJed** » Mon Mar 23, 2009 4:50 am

Powerlevels never fail to entertain me...

Below are the power levels that I have found and know to be 100% true canonical levels.
[...]
Piccolo Ressurection:
* Piccolo:70.000
* Tenshinhan:69.963
* Tenshinhan(kaioh ken x 4):272.000

Lol. And why can Tien Kaiokenx4 but Piccolo can't use any Kaioken?

* Vegeta after the injury made by krillin :10.000.000
[...]
* Goku (normal): 3.000.000 daizenshuu 7
* Goku (com kaioh ken X10): 30.000.000 daizenshuu 7
* Goku (com kaioh ken X20): 60.000.000 daizenshuu 7

Vegeta >>> Goku?

* Tenshinhan :600.000
* Gohan :500.000

I highly doubt this.

* Tenshinhan (com/with x4 kaioh ken) :2.400.000
* Tenshinhan (com /with x10 kaioh ken) :6.000.000
* Tenshinhan (com/with x 20 kaioh ken) :12.000.000

?

* Tenshinhan :600.000
* Yamcha :90.000
* Krillin :80.000

Please, give Krillin some credit!

* SonGoku :225.000.000
* Trunks :220.000.000

2% power difference = block a friggin sword with your finger?

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Mon Mar 23, 2009 5:04 am

USSJed wrote:2% power difference = block a friggin sword with your finger?

That part I'd actually buy. It's just a sword, even if it's wielded by a Super Saiyajin (who wasn't going at him with everything he had, apparently) and Goku focused his ki to his finger first. When you focus all of your power to such a small place, it's bound to have greater defense than you'd get trying to protect your whole body at once.

caejones · Post by **caejones** » Mon Mar 23, 2009 6:42 am

Bussani wrote:
USSJed wrote:2% power difference = block a friggin sword with your finger?
That part I'd actually buy. It's just a sword, even if it's wielded by a Super Saiyajin (who wasn't going at him with everything he had, apparently) and Goku focused his ki to his finger first. When you focus all of your power to such a small place, it's bound to have greater defense than you'd get trying to protect your whole body at once.

And this is why I am ok with writing Goku Vs Darth Mawl as a serious fight.

*

I dunno, was the point of battle powers more to prove the pointlessness of battlepowers? The first reading was to set up drama--the next several were all proven bogus.

* "Serious" does not equate to "Darth Mawl can keep up with a SSJ". Was still fun to write XD

UMMX · Post by **UMMX** » Mon Mar 23, 2009 3:26 pm

Kurin is one of the weakest char's in DragonballZ. There is a reason why he give up fighting...

Post by **Herms** » Mon Mar 23, 2009 3:48 pm

UMMX wrote:Kurin is one of the weakest char's in DragonballZ. There is a reason why he give up fighting...

He's certainly one of the weakest of the main group of fighters, but he's still pretty strong compared to people outside of that group. I mean, he was able to fight evenly with Ginyu in Goku's body, who was at 23,000, and he got even stronger afterwards. Kaio-ken x3 Goku during the battle with Vegeta was only at 24,000, so that means that Kuririn eventually ends up being stronger than Goku was for half the whole series.

UMMX · Post by **UMMX** » Mon Mar 23, 2009 3:59 pm

Herms wrote:
UMMX wrote:Kurin is one of the weakest char's in DragonballZ. There is a reason why he give up fighting...
He's certainly one of the weakest of the main group of fighters, but he's still pretty strong compared to people outside of that group. I mean, he was able to fight evenly with Ginyu in Goku's body, who was at 23,000, and he got even stronger afterwards. Kaio-ken x3 Goku during the battle with Vegeta was only at 24,000, so that means that Kuririn eventually ends up being stronger than Goku was for half the whole series.

You know what I never really though about that before. I can see what you mean. Kurin did do great thing in the Freeza Saga. But it was short lived, and in the Cell Saga he only shiny twice. That was when he fought Cell at the airport, and when he was fighting at the city gate.

The Tori-bot · Post by **The Tori-bot** » Mon Mar 23, 2009 4:02 pm

UMMX wrote:and in Cell Saga he only shiny twice.

Guh?

Innagadadavida · Post by **Innagadadavida** » Mon Mar 23, 2009 4:09 pm

The Tori-bot wrote:
UMMX wrote:and in Cell Saga he only shiny twice.
Guh?

HE only shined twice. He only had two chances to shine.

I'm thinking English isn't UMMX's first language. But, (s)he's doing fine, for the most part we can understand.

UMMX · Post by **UMMX** » Mon Mar 23, 2009 4:46 pm

Innagadadavida wrote:
The Tori-bot wrote:
UMMX wrote:and in Cell Saga he only shiny twice.
Guh?
I only shined twice. He only had two chances to shine.

I'm thinking English isn't UMMX's first language. But, (s)he's doing fine, for the most part we can understand.

I put he instead of I because I am not taking about me, but I'm talking about Kurin.

Also I learn how to type all-by-myself and how to use a Keyboard.... so that why my grammar is not at a college level, but that cool. USA Teacher Union have fail me more then once.

But Please do not start this shit about my Grammar! If you have time to bitch about it, then you have time to continue with the topic at hand.

Thank you Innagadadavida your being a smart and intelligent user. I almost went off on someone.

Question: How many people think that Kurin could have become the strongest human in Dragonballz history?

Innagadadavida · Post by **Innagadadavida** » Mon Mar 23, 2009 5:14 pm

UMMX wrote:I put he instead of I because I am not taking about me, but I'm talking about Kurin.

Yeah, I totally meant "he" not "I." Simple typo.

But Please do not start this shit about my Grammar! If you have time to bitch about it, then you have time to continue with the topic at hand.

People will get butthurt about poor grammar because it's stated in the rules, and is enforced very heavily here, that posters use proper grammar. I'm not sure what the rules are as far as English being a second language, but I'm sure you'll be fine as long as you try your best and also attempt to learn to use proper grammar as well. If you have any questions, I'm sure everybody would love to help out. Also, VegettoEX goes over each post with a red-highlighted pen to fix grammar mistakes, there's a great way to learn what you are and aren't doing.

ON TOPIC: I think Krillin is second only to Tien as far as strongest full-blooded human.

Wojak · Post by **Wojak** » Mon Mar 23, 2009 5:46 pm

UMMX wrote:How many people think that Kurin could have become the strongest human in Dragonballz history?

Kuririn was always second to Tenshinhan, until Freeza saga where I think he surpassed him.
After that, Tenshinhan trained for a long time at Kaio's, so I guess that they were even then.

But, Kuririn seems to be the less disciplined one of those two, so it's granted that Tenshinhan would be the stronger one.

After the Cell Arc, Krillin had given up training, so by then he should be the weaker one.

But I like Yamcha's comment to Marron, about Kuririn: "Your dad is the strongest fighter. For a human, that is!".
Maybe Yamcha is too thick behind his ears or haven't met Tenshinhan after the Cell Arc, I don't know.
But I like to think Kuririn is the strongest. Mostly because I like him more than I like Tenshinhan.

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Mon Mar 23, 2009 6:46 pm

Out of the Earthlings/humans, the only person possibly stronger than Kuririn is Tenshinhan. And I'm not sure if he counts as a 'pure blooded human' according to the Daizenshuu, but I guess that doesn't matter.

Kuririn is stronger than Yamcha, at least. And in the long run he's done a lot more to help than Yamcha and Tenshinhan have put together (not saying they don't have their moments, but they're fewer than Kuririn).

Honestly, I do like Kuririn. Even though he's not the strongest and is always getting killed, that doesn't stop him charging in with everyone else. Even in the Buu saga when they chased after Spopovich and Yamu. Now that's courage!

UMMX · Post by **UMMX** » Mon Mar 23, 2009 7:20 pm

Bussani wrote:Out of the Earthlings/humans, the only person possibly stronger than Kuririn is Tenshinhan. And I'm not sure if he counts as a 'pure blooded human' according to the Daizenshuu, but I guess that doesn't matter.

Kuririn is stronger than Yamcha, at least. And in the long run he's done a lot more to help than Yamcha and Tenshinhan have put together (not saying they don't have their moments, but they're fewer than Kuririn).

Honestly, I do like Kuririn. Even though he's not the strongest and is always getting killed, that doesn't stop him charging in with everyone else. Even in the Buu saga when they chased after Spopovich and Yamu. Now that's courage!

I will give you credit for that, Kurin always go running in head first. That's the one thing I do like about his character. But that's also the one thing I do hate about him. Everytime he goes into a fight he gets bitch smack like whitney Houston after a Friday night party.

I do wish that they would have showed Tenshinhan more in the anime, but it seem a lot of people in Toei hate the character for unknown reasons.

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Mon Mar 23, 2009 7:39 pm

UMMX wrote:I will give you credit for that, Kurin always go running in head first. That's the one thing I do like about his character. But that's also the one thing I do hate about him. Everytime he goes into a fight he gets bitch smack like whitney Houston after a Friday night party.

That's the point though. It's easy to go running in when you're the strongest person in the world. It takes true courage and character to do it when you've literally been killed twice already. Tenshinhan had a similar moment when he held Semi-Perfect Cell back with Shin Kikoho.

Adamant · Post by **Adamant** » Mon Mar 23, 2009 8:27 pm

Innagadadavida wrote:I'm not sure what the rules are as far as English being a second language, but I'm sure you'll be fine as long as you try your best and also attempt to learn to use proper grammar as well.

Rules wrote:...we write and post in proper English, and expect our forum members to also do so to the best of their ability.

So yeah, pretty much "we don't demand perfection, and understand that not all foreigners are completely fluent in English, but we expect you to do your best, and write as properly as you can".

omegacwa · Post by **omegacwa** » Mon Mar 23, 2009 11:28 pm

Yamcha is the Weakest when it comes to Tenshinhan, Krillin and Yamcha. While Krillin and Tenshinhan Alternate for first place during the Freeza to Cell arc, but for the most Part Tenshinhan is the Strongest human, if he is human, I think he is but some people don't.

Post by **Herms** » Mon Mar 23, 2009 11:36 pm

omegacwa wrote: but for the most Part Tenshinhan is the Strongest human, if he is human, I think he is but some people don't.

Oh, he's human all right, since even full-blooded aliens like Vegeta and Ginyu are considered human. The question is whether he's a full-blooded Earthling.

omegacwa · Post by **omegacwa** » Mon Mar 23, 2009 11:38 pm

Herms wrote:
omegacwa wrote: but for the most Part Tenshinhan is the Strongest human, if he is human, I think he is but some people don't.
Oh, he's human all right, since even full-blooded aliens like Vegeta and Ginyu are considered human. The question is whether he's a full-blooded Earthling.

Buah?

They are humanoid aliens, not humans, but I am talking about real life, I have no idea what the Daizenshuu says.

Post by **Herms** » Mon Mar 23, 2009 11:54 pm

omegacwa wrote:Buah?

They are humanoid aliens, not humans, but I am talking about real life, I have no idea what the Daizenshuu says.

In DragonBall the term "human" (ningen) refers not just to Earthlings, but to aliens. For instance, when explaining Oozaru, Vegeta describes non-Oozaru Saiyans as "humans" (ningen), and Ginyu refers to himself as "the type of human who can control his battle power". And even in real life, there are many who argue that sentient aliens, if they existed, would count as "humans"; that is, that the term "human" shouldn't refer exclusively to homo sapiens. Daizenshuu 4 and 7 say that Tenshinhan is an Earthling with distant alien ancestors, kind of like Goku Jr in GT, making him still an Earthling (just with mixed descent) and a human in the DragonBall sense.

UMMX · Post by **UMMX** » Tue Mar 24, 2009 1:59 pm

Herms wrote:
omegacwa wrote:Buah?

They are humanoid aliens, not humans, but I am talking about real life, I have no idea what the Daizenshuu says.
In DragonBall the term "human" (ningen) refers not just to Earthlings, but to aliens. For instance, when explaining Oozaru, Vegeta describes non-Oozaru Saiyans as "humans" (ningen), and Ginyu refers to himself as "the type of human who can control his battle power". And even in real life, there are many who argue that sentient aliens, if they existed, would count as "humans"; that is, that the term "human" shouldn't refer exclusively to homo sapiens. Daizenshuu 4 and 7 say that Tenshinhan is an Earthling with distant alien ancestors, kind of like Goku Jr in GT, making him still an Earthling (just with mixed descent) and a human in the DragonBall sense.

I agree with herms on this one, even in Sci fi games like Star Ocean, Star Trek, and Star Wars. People born on earth are call Earthlings, and Human are people born on other worlds. But most of the time there parents are born on earth or other planets.

But the one thing that goes against this is Android 17 and 18 Aka Jinzōningen Jū Hachi and Jinzōningen Jū Nana. Now they where born as Earthlings but they are not count as ningen. In English term's Android 17/18 are called android, but in reality they are really Cyborgs. And In Japanese they are called Jinzoningen but that some weird mix breed name?

Can you example better?