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Post by Dayspring » Sat Apr 25, 2009 2:49 pm

Just to point out: the OVA has Raichi claiming that the Tsufuls helped the Saiyans when they crashed on Plant flashback shows a big ship on fire in the BG).

Random thought: in Neko Majin 2, a bunch of weak aliens are introduced as being space invaders, who rely solely on their ray guns for attacking people. These guys make reference to a dark time in their past, making reference to when they attacked Planet Borobochi. In Neko Majin Z, a gag-manga sequel spinoff of DB and NM, a new SSJ is introduced who uses their technology and has a wife sporting their clothing. What if Honey and Onio were Saiyans from the original homeworld, which was Planet Borobochi? :shock:
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Post by Chuquita » Sat Apr 25, 2009 2:57 pm

JulieYBM wrote:
Chuquita wrote:

Wait, does this mean that there's still an actual, real saiyajin homeworld out there that Freeza didn't know about? Since "Planet Vegeta" wasn't the original Planet Vegeta.
Oh ****! We. Need. New. Specials. Now!!


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Make more new specials please! :shock:
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Post by JulieYBM » Sat Apr 25, 2009 3:05 pm

Chuquita wrote:
JulieYBM wrote:
Chuquita wrote:

Wait, does this mean that there's still an actual, real saiyajin homeworld out there that Freeza didn't know about? Since "Planet Vegeta" wasn't the original Planet Vegeta.
Oh ****! We. Need. New. Specials. Now!!


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Make more new specials please! :shock:
That is, if they ever realize said possibility is possible.


Also, might want to add this to your Guide Guide, Herms.
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Post by Herms » Sun Apr 26, 2009 12:10 am

And here's the last two pages.

Record of a Fierce Battle that Surpassed Time

Still in Age 764
Vegeta commences his special training in the gravity control room in order to become a Super Saiyan. Bulma begins to fall in love with him. Goku and Piccolo go to training school to obtain their air car licenses.
[A-ish]
While Vegeta’s gravity training is shown briefly in the manga, the rest of this is from filler.


Age 766
Trunks (chibi) is born this year.
Trunks’ official birth year, for both versions of him. Trunks is said to be 8 during the 25th TB in 774, which matches this.

Age 767
Goten is born this year
Goten’s official birth year, confirmed by the fact that he’s said to be 7 years old during the 25th TB, in 774. Though many people assume that Goten was conceived during the 9 days leading up to the Cell Games, for him to be born in 767, he would have to have been conceived by no later than March, while the Cell Games were in May (though I suppose that, as a half-alien hybrid, Goten’s gestation time could have been shorter than 9 months). All the narrator actually says when Goten is introduced is that he was left behind “before the battle with Cell”, which I guess means before the day the androids and Cell appeared.
May 7th: The 24th Tenkaichi Budoukai is held. Mister Satan is the champion of the adult division, while Videl is the children’s division champion.
The tournament announcer says during the 25th TB arc that the 24th TB occurred 7 years ago, placing it in this year. That Mister Satan was the adult champion was established by Videl, and the fact that Videl was the children’s champion was mentioned by the announcer right before Videl’s match with Spopovitch. As I’ve said before, May 7th is the standard date of the Tenkaichi Budoukai.

Some people think there’s a contradiction between the 24th TB being only 5 days before the androids appear, and Cell calling the Tenkaichi Budoukai a thing of the past, and thinking that Trunks wouldn’t know about it, but I think this would really only show that the TB no longer exists in Cell and Trunks’ futures. Cell came from over 20 years in the future, and has been living underground for the last 4 years, so he’d have no way of knowing that the tournament had just taken place. Trunks would also be not too familiar with what’s going on in the present world. When Mister Satan first appears, he is described as the “world grappling champion”, and when Videl tells Gohan about the Tenkaichi Budoukai, she describes it as a “tournament to decide the world grappling champion”, supporting the idea that Satan had already won the TB by the time he first appears.
May 12th: The artificial humans appear. Right after that, Cell appears in the afternoon. Piccolo merges with the Earth’s Kami. Goku passes out from his contagious disease. Krillin and Trunks (teenager) destroy the young form of the Cell that existed in this era.
This is the date that Trunks tells Goku the androids will appear on, in three year’s time. Everyone gathers at 9:30, and the androids appear at 10:17.
May 15th: Goku recovers from his contagious disease with the medicine that Trunks brought from the future. Vegeta and Trunks enter the Room of Spirit and Time.
After Cell appears, the narration says 3 days pass before Goku wakes up, even though Trunks had thought it would take 10 days.
May 16th: Cell evolves into his second stage, and then into his perfect form. Switching with Vegata and Trunks, Goku and Gohan enter the Room of Spirit and Time.
The narration says “almost a full day” passes between Vegeta and Trunks entering the Room of Spirit and Time and when No.17 and co. show up at Kame House.
May 17th: The opening of the Cell Games is broadcast to the entire world. Goku and Gohan emerge from the Room of Spirit and Time. Piccolo enters the Room of Spirit and Time.
The narration says that Cell's TV broadcast announcing the Cell Games came “the next day” after Cell reached his perfect form. Goku and Gohan emerge from the Room of Spirit and Time 3 hours short of a full day, according to Mister Popo. On this day, Piccolo tells Goku about the training order for the Room of Spirit and Time: Piccolo will go in first (on that same day, the 17th), then Vegeta the next day (on the 18th), and then finally Trunks (on the 19th).
May 18th: Switching with Piccolo, Vegeta once again enters the Room of Spirit and Time. Gohan visits Lime’s village, and stops the evil acts of Bourbon and his men.
[A]
I already explained about the Room of Spirit and Time training order. Gohan visiting Lime’s village is from the pre-Cell Games filler episode. I don’t know if that episode is explicitly set on the day after the Cell Games announcement, but it does happen before Cell blows up the Royal Defense Force, so it’s either on this day or the 17th (or I guess it could happen earlier on the 19th). The episode with Gohan’s birthday isn’t included in the timeline, but since it happened after the Lime episode but before the destruction of the Royal Defense Force, it had to have happened on either this day or early on the 19th.
May 19th: Goku and his family go hiking. Around noon, the Royal Defense Force is wiped out by Cell. Dende takes on the position of the Earth’s new Kami. Switching with Vegeta, Trunks enters the Room of Spirit and Time.
Right before the radio announcement of the Royal Defense Force’s attack on Cell, Chi Chi comments about nobody wanting to work if they’re just going to die in 7 days. That means that this happens two days after the announcement of the Cell Games, placing it here.
May 20th: Trunks comes out from the Room of Spirit and Time.
This is following the Room of Spirit and Time training order that Piccolo explained on the 17th. Trunks would have entered the Room of Spirit and Time on the 19th, after Vegeta left.
May 26th: The Cell Games begin at exactly noon. Goku dies again, and Gohan defeats Cell.
In the tankoubon release of the manga (and therefore Viz’s translation), the date of the Cell Games is given as “M 17th”. However, for the kanzenban release, it was changed to May 26th, matching this timeline. It’s not clear just what month “M” would be (must be the month they distribute high-tech gizmos), but since Trunks said the androids would appear on May 12th, if you add up all the numbers of days that are said to pass, it places the Cell Games on May 26th.
May 27th: A memorial service is held for Goku. Trunks (teenager) returns to the future.
After the Cell Games, Trunks says that he will return to the future the next day. No memorial service for Goku is explicitly mentioned in the manga, but everyone is shown wearing mourning clothes when they see Trunks off.
May~June: Goku goes to the Dai-Kaio Planet and meets the Dai-Kaio. The “North Kaio Done Gone and Died”-Commemoration Strongest in the Afterlife Tournament” is held. Goku and Paikuhan clash in the finals. The baby Trunks takes his first steps. “Urgent Special Broadcast!! All About Mister Satan, the Super Genius Strongest Grappler on Earth, who Save Humanity” is broadcast on television.
[A]
The “'North Kaio Done Gone and Died'-Commemoration Strongest in the Afterlife Tournament" is the full name of the Anoyo-ichi Budoukai/Strongest in the Afterlife Tournament. It being set from May to June is in reference to Goku dying in later May. Trunks’ first steps and the Mister Satan special are from filler episodes from after the Cell Games.


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Age 770
Krillin and No.18 get married.

Age 771
Marron is born.
The idea here seems to be that people always have children immediately after they get married (just look at Vegeta being born the year after King Vegeta weds, and Gohan being born a year after Goku and Chi Chi hook up). So if Marron was born in 771 (making her 3 in the Buu arc, about what she looks), then by this logic Kuririn and No.18 must have been married the year before.

Age 773
Kaioshin and Kibito come to Earth to search for Majin Buu’s ball, which was left there in the Before Age era.
I don’t think there’s anything from the series that indicates just when Kaioshin and Kibito came to Earth. I do wonder what they would have done in the year between their arrival and the tournament.

Age 774
March 28th: Gohan completes the first part of the enrollment process at Orange Star High School. The Golden Warrior is seen by the people of Satan City for the first time.
On Gohan’s first day of school (April 7th), Erasa tells him that the Golden Warrior was seen 3 time in the last 10 days, and Gohan thinks to himself that the first two times where when he came to Satan City to enroll. So this is 10 days before April 7th.
April 7th: Gohan in enrolled as a sophomore at Orange Star High School, and attends his first day of class, and meets Videl. On his way home from school, Gohan stops by Bulma’s house at around 3:00 PM, and at 5:12 PM he receives the completed transformation suits. Great Saiyaman appears in the city for the first time.
This date comes from the fact that Gohan starts school about a month before the 25th TB, which is on May 7th (I told you almost all the exact dates in this timeline are derived from the TB). Bulma says the transformation suit will be ready in about 2 hours, which is where the 3:00-5:12 thing comes from, though I don’t remember if those actual times were specified in the manga. This night would be when Gohan practices his Great Saiyaman poses for 2 hours.
April 8th: Videl uncovers the Great Saiyaman’s identity.
This fits the manga, where Videl takes all of 9 seconds to unmask Gohan, but not the anime, where several days seem to pass before Videl proves his identity. On the day Gohan is unmasked, one of his classmate says that a new hero appeared yesterday (named “the Great Tireman”), so manga-wise there is definitely only a day between the Great Saiyaman’s debut and Videl’s unmasking. On this day, Videl says that the 25th TB is a month away. Gohan asks Goten to help him train tomorrow.
April 9th: Gohan teaches Videl Bukujutsu. The South Kaio observes Goku’s training.
Gohan and Goten are shown starting their training the day after Videl pressures Gohan to enter the TB, and Videl shows up soon after. The scene with South Kaio observing Goku’s training in Heaven under North Kaio is also today. Videl learns to float by the end of this day (Goten is already zooming around).
April 10th: Vegeta is surprised to learn that his son Trunks (chibi) can already become a Super Saiya-jin.
This is also the day that Videl shows up with short hair, after Gohan told her the previous day that long hair would be a disadvantage in a fight.
April 20th: Videl masters Bukujutsu.
The narration (which is apparently by Gohan) says Videl masters Bukujutsu ten days after she shows up with short hair. Gohan and Goten start training for real after this.
May 7th: The 25th Tenkaichi Budoukai opens. Goku returns to this world for a single day. Majin Buu appears. In order to defeat Buu, Vegeta explodes and dies. The wizard Babidi is killed by Buu. Goku transforms into a Super Saiya-jin 3, uses up his power, and returns to the afterlife earlier than planned. The Elder Kaioshin is released from being sealed in the Z Sword, and begins the ritual to draw out Gohan’s power.

May 8th: Piccolo, Gotenks, and Gohan are absorbed by Buu. Humanity is exterminated through Buu’s power. Goku returns to life in exchange for the Elder Kaioshin’s life. Vegeta returns to the world for one day. The Earth is annihilated by the evil Buu. The Earth is restored by Porunga’s power. Vegeta, Elder Kaioshin, and the rest come back to life. Goku wipes Buu out with the Super Genki Dama collected from the genki of all humanity.
May 7th is of course the standard date of the TB. The timeline is mistaken to put the Elder Kaioshin’s release on the same day as the 25th TB and Buu’s revival. In the manga, after Goku reunites with Gohan in the Kaioshin Realm, the narration says that a day passes (by which time Buu has already destroyed 80% of the world’s population and cities). It’s at this point that the Elder Kaioshin is released, making it the 8th (this is also when Gotenks is formed for the first time). He says that his power-up of Gohan will take 25 hours (5 hours for the funky dance, and 20 for the sitting portion; Elder Kaioshin later says that Gohan’s power-up is taking longer than a normal one, apparently because of Gohan’s massive dormant power). This means that Gohan’s power-up is finished on the 9th, which is therefore when the final battle with Buu takes place. Buu builds his house before the first jump to the next day, so that was on the 7th. It’s unclear when the shift to the final day is, but I think it’s around when Satan is shown reading Buu “A Dog of Flanders”. So the sequence of events for the Buu arc goes like this:

May 7th: 25th Tenkaichi Budoukai, attack on Babidi’s ship, Buu’s revival, Vegeta dies, Gohan is taken to the Kaioshin Realm and draws out the Z Sword, Goku and Piccolo start teaching Fusion to Goten and Trunks, SSJ3 Goku vs. Majin Buu, Buu kills Babidi and builds his house, Goku returns to the afterlife, Goku goes to the Kaioshin Realm and reunites with Gohan

May 8th: Buu has destroyed 80% of the Earth’s population and cities. The Elder Kaioshin is released and begins Gohan’s power-up, Buu meets the little blind boy, Goten and Trunks fuse into Gotenks for the first time, Mister Satan is sent to fight Buu and ends up living with him, Goten and Trunks form SSJ Gotenks

May 9th: Buu befriends the dog Bee, the evil gunmen shoot Bee and Satan, Evil Buu is born, Evil Buu fights Gotenks, Gohan’s power-up is complete, Evil Buu absorbs Gotenks and Piccolo and beats Gohan, Vegetto fights Evil Buu, Buu reverts into Pure Buu, and Goku destroys Pure Buu with a Genki-Dama.
September 7th: The people of Earth’s memories of Majin Buu are erased by Shenron.
After Bulma and co. use the dragonballs to revive those killed by Vegeta at the tournament, Dende says that if only one wish is used (and since the wish was to revive a large group of people, it counts for two wishes), then the dragonballs will revive in only four months time, and the remaining wish can be used then. That was on May 7th, so four months later gets you September 7th.
Age 778
May 7th: The 26th Tenkaichi Budoukai opens. Mister Satan is the champion, and Mister Buu is the runner-up.

Age 781
May 7th: The 27th Tenkaichi Budoukai is held. The champion is Mister Satan, and Mister Buu is the runner-up.
We learn from the last two chapters of the manga that two other TBs were held in the 10 year period between Buu’s defeat and when Goku meets Uub, since he meets Uub at the 28th TB. Nothing is said about just when these tournaments were though. This would put four years between the 25th and 26th TB, three years between the 26th and 27th TB, and another three years between the 27th and 28th TB, which seems a reasonable way to space them out. The note on Satan winning both these tournaments and Buu being the runner-up comes from the second-to-last manga chapter, where Satan tells Buu to “follow the plan from the last few tournaments”, and purposefully lose to Satan in the final round. In the last chapter, Goku says that Buu used his magic to fix the match-up lottery so that Satan and Buu wouldn’t fight until the finals, and Satan wouldn’t get put up against anyone too strong. By the time of the 28th TB though, Satan has the position of “Super Champion”, and only has to fight the winner of the tournament, sort of like a boss in a fighting game.
Age 779
Pan is born in this year.

Age 780
Bra is born in this year.
(OK, so I’m skipping around a bit here)

While Pan’s birth year has been consistently given as 779, Bra has two different ones. Here and in the GT Perfect Files timeline, it’s given as 780, making her a year younger than Pan. But in her Daizenshuu 7 bio (in the same book as this timeline, as it were), it says she was born in 778, making her a year older than Pan.

Age 784
May 7th: The 28th Tenkaichi Budoukai opens. Goku sets out on a journey, taking Uub with him.
This is 10 years after the Buu arc of course.
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Post by JulieYBM » Mon Apr 27, 2009 11:56 pm

Very interesting and I quite enjoy the work you placed into it. Shall you be factoring in your GT timeline/chronology notes on this?
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Post by DragonBalllKaiHD » Tue Apr 28, 2009 1:05 am

I dont need to know this now. I have a magazine from Beckett containing timelines.
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Post by Bussani » Tue Apr 28, 2009 3:09 am

DragonBalllKaiHD wrote:I dont need to know this now. I have a magazine from Beckett containing timelines.
That's a rude thing to say after Herms went through all the trouble to make this. Besides, I trust Herms more than some magazine, and this has his own thoughts and reasoning on it, as well as telling us exactly where such dates come from. :?

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Post by Herms » Tue Apr 28, 2009 3:38 am

JulieYBM wrote:Very interesting and I quite enjoy the work you placed into it. Shall you be factoring in your GT timeline/chronology notes on this?
Well, this was the fist step in a larger project where I'm going to try and create a sort of suped-up timeline. So I'm going to combine the Daizenshuu 7 timeline with the GT Perfect Files one (like Greg Werner's did), plus my own GT timeline stuff (though I might leave the more speculative stuff out), fix the timeline mistakes I pointed out here, rephrase some of the date entries (like with the Namek stuff, since they leave out some important events, making it unclear when they happened), add in any extra dates given elsewhere in Daizenshuu 7 (for instance, Shenlong's bio lists the year he was created), add in the extra birth years from the SEG, add in the new Jump anime special and maybe what we know so far of DB Online, and anything else I can think of. While I'm going to try to make it as accurate as possible, I'm not going to try and make it canonical. That is, I'd include things like, say, when Tapion and Minoshia were sealed away, not because I think DBZ movie 13 is canonical, but simply because there's a date given for that event (1000 years ago). So it'd be a guide to when things happened (if they did), not a guide to what did and didn't happen. With that in mind, I'll probably also mark the source of each entry.
DragonBalllKaiHD wrote:I dont need to know this now. I have a magazine from Beckett containing timelines.
Um...then don't read it. I'm not exactly forcing you to (I never did get my mind-control device to function properly...)

Didn't Beckett once have a cover showing Gero building No.17, with No.17 depicted as a flat-out robot?
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Post by The Tori-bot » Tue Apr 28, 2009 12:00 pm

DragonBalllKaiHD wrote:I dont need to know this now. I have a magazine from Beckett containing timelines.
You mean you trust Beckett to print reliable information?

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Post by VenomSymbiote » Tue Apr 28, 2009 12:28 pm

Holy hell, Herms. You really don't sleep. Great job on this, and I can't wait to read the rest!

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Post by DragonBalllKaiHD » Tue Apr 28, 2009 4:06 pm

Sorry foe being rude. I was kinda down yesterday. Now I feel better. Thanks for having so much trouble getting it done just for us. :)
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Post by Dayspring » Tue Apr 28, 2009 6:01 pm

Herms wrote:
JulieYBM wrote:Very interesting and I quite enjoy the work you placed into it. Shall you be factoring in your GT timeline/chronology notes on this?
Well, this was the fist step in a larger project where I'm going to try and create a sort of suped-up timeline. So I'm going to combine the Daizenshuu 7 timeline with the GT Perfect Files one (like Greg Werner's did), plus my own GT timeline stuff (though I might leave the more speculative stuff out), fix the timeline mistakes I pointed out here, rephrase some of the date entries (like with the Namek stuff, since they leave out some important events, making it unclear when they happened), add in any extra dates given elsewhere in Daizenshuu 7 (for instance, Shenlong's bio lists the year he was created), add in the extra birth years from the SEG, add in the new Jump anime special and maybe what we know so far of DB Online, and anything else I can think of. While I'm going to try to make it as accurate as possible, I'm not going to try and make it canonical. That is, I'd include things like, say, when Tapion and Minoshia were sealed away, not because I think DBZ movie 13 is canonical, but simply because there's a date given for that event (1000 years ago). So it'd be a guide to when things happened (if they did), not a guide to what did and didn't happen. With that in mind, I'll probably also mark the source of each entry.
Will you be doing one that contains info from Toriyama's other words, or strictly Dragonball+GT? Hint hint, wink wink, I'm too lazy but want one done. :P
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