Weekly Jump battle powers and whatnot

Chibi Mystic Gohan · Post by **Chibi Mystic Gohan** » Thu May 14, 2009 6:19 pm

JulieYBM wrote:
Dayspring wrote:
In other words, Goku's SSJ strength = 3,000 Kiris. While his SSJ2 would indeed read at 6,000 and SSJ3 at 24,000, his base form won't be 60 (1/50th of 3,000), as Kiris are not BPs.
Ah, if only there was a kiri converter...

Speaking of Kiri, wasn't there supposed to be an issue of V-Jump or something that told how to convert them into battle power.

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Thu May 14, 2009 6:58 pm

Chibi Mystic Gohan wrote:
JulieYBM wrote:
Dayspring wrote:
In other words, Goku's SSJ strength = 3,000 Kiris. While his SSJ2 would indeed read at 6,000 and SSJ3 at 24,000, his base form won't be 60 (1/50th of 3,000), as Kiris are not BPs.
Ah, if only there was a kiri converter...
Speaking of Kiri, wasn't there supposed to be an issue of V-Jump or something that told how to convert them into battle power.

Yeah, it was really lame. It said that 50,000 BP = 1 Kiri, which doesn't make a lick of sense. This is how I'm starting to understand strength readings:

BA: records fighting skill/technique/talent level
Kiri: records energy level
Punch Machine: records physical strength level
Chi = Life Energy, which is a combination of the above stats and possibly more.
BP = A (failed) scientific attempt to quantify chi, which they refer to as "Battle Power."

So PM, BA, Kiri, and BP would each have their own units of measurement, as each is measuring something different. Thus, there is no conversion factor.

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Thu May 14, 2009 8:47 pm

Dayspring wrote:The fact that BP is strength only in regards to fighting may also explain why Kiris are so low; they're just reading energy, not fighting strength or ability. Meanwhile it would also explain why the SEG's switch from BP to "Strength" when regarding SSJ multipliers.

In other words, Goku's SSJ strength = 3,000 Kiris. While his SSJ2 would indeed read at 6,000 and SSJ3 at 24,000, his base form won't be 60 (1/50th of 3,000), as Kiris are not BPs.

That's a possibility. It's also possible that Kiri and BPs just aren't linearly convertible. It's probably like Celsius and Fahrenheit.

Oh, I don't agree that the numbers are lower in Kiri because they're missing something out, though. How would they know they're missing something out that a completely different system uses? The numbers (or size of a single unit rather) are arbitrary. I think it's more likely that since they know about bigger levels of ki, and are only interested in those, that their system uses much larger units to keep things simple.

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Thu May 14, 2009 9:19 pm

Bussani wrote:
Dayspring wrote:The fact that BP is strength only in regards to fighting may also explain why Kiris are so low; they're just reading energy, not fighting strength or ability. Meanwhile it would also explain why the SEG's switch from BP to "Strength" when regarding SSJ multipliers.

In other words, Goku's SSJ strength = 3,000 Kiris. While his SSJ2 would indeed read at 6,000 and SSJ3 at 24,000, his base form won't be 60 (1/50th of 3,000), as Kiris are not BPs.
That's a possibility. It's also possible that Kiri and BPs just aren't linearly convertible. It's probably like Celsius and Fahrenheit.

Oh, I don't agree that the numbers are lower in Kiri because they're missing something out, though. How would they know they're missing something out that a completely different system uses? The numbers (or size of a single unit rather) are arbitrary. I think it's more likely that since they know about bigger levels of ki, and are only interested in those, that their system uses much larger units to keep things simple.

I don't think it means Kiri is really "lacking" anything by being just a component of one's combat strength. If we stop to look at Babidi's needs, they're not so much looking at combat strength as they are energy spent from it so that they can use it to revive Boo.

EDIT: Though that doesn't necessarily mean it's JUST energy, either, so much as I don't see it as another measurement of combat strength.

Wojak · Post by **Wojak** » Thu May 14, 2009 10:30 pm

I have the answer to Popo's powerlevel: 1000 and rising.

SSj_Rambo · Post by **SSj_Rambo** » Thu May 14, 2009 10:38 pm

Wow, this is awesome! Be sure to keep us updated on all of the cool things you find! It'd be great if we could get some pictures... you wanna e-mail me some?

Rod · Post by **Rod** » Thu May 14, 2009 10:41 pm

SSj_Rambo wrote:Wow, this is awesome! Be sure to keep us updated on all of the cool things you find! It'd be great if we could get some pictures... you wanna e-mail me some?

Maybe he'll find the Jump magazine with Piririn, according to Daizex.com it's impossible to translate it because it's very low quality

SSj_Rambo · Post by **SSj_Rambo** » Fri May 15, 2009 1:48 am

Rod wrote:
SSj_Rambo wrote:Wow, this is awesome! Be sure to keep us updated on all of the cool things you find! It'd be great if we could get some pictures... you wanna e-mail me some?
Maybe he'll find the Jump magazine with Piririn, according to Daizex.com it's impossible to translate it because it's very low quality

He said he already picked that one up, so I'm looking forward to some more info on it soon, and eventually some high-quality scans from Heathjio!

By the way Herms, any luck getting the two volumes of WJ with the chapters from the manga that didn't we didn't get chapter title pages in either the tankoubon or the Kanzenban?

Post by **Herms** » Fri May 15, 2009 2:49 pm

SSj_Rambo wrote:Wow, this is awesome! Be sure to keep us updated on all of the cool things you find! It'd be great if we could get some pictures... you wanna e-mail me some?

Well, I still don't own a scanner...

Anyway, somewhat off topic (but on the general theme of strength debate fodder), some other things I got recently are the two DBZ Anime Specials (the ones with the Piccolo and Vegeta side-stories). Part of the first book features the memos Toriyama wrote to the anime staff giving background information on various things. It has a picture of the memo Toriyama wrote about the Saibaiman; it's infuriating small, so so far I haven't been able to make much of it out, but in the part I have figured out, it says that while the Saibaimen have considerably high battle power, they are still inferior to Raditz.