Bodies in the Afterlife

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Wed Aug 12, 2009 11:04 pm

Thanos wrote:My conclusion, is that people are allowed to keep their bodies for up to a year after they've died.

Reason being, many people (who weren't heroes or anything) were able to come back to life (Boo Saga) in their bodies just as they were.

That doesn't necessarily mean they kept their bodies in the afterlife. Just that they were restored to their bodies when they were brought back to life. For instance, when Chaozu died in the Daimao saga his body was there on Earth. His soul was restored to it when they wished him back (and apparently the damage that killed him was removed by the wish, too). We later see that the dragons can even restore someone like Kuririn and (again) Chaozu, even though their bodies were blown to smithereens.

In addition, the rule is that you can only bring people back with the Dragon Ball who've only been dead for less than a year.

This isn't right. The 'one year' rule only applies when wishing back to life a large number of people. Such as 'I wish everyone Vegeta killed was back to life' would only restore people he killed in the last year. But you should still be able to wish back someone who died 10 years ago, so long as it wasn't a natural death.

This would explain why people were able to be brought back and not go through the "soul cleansing and cloud body" situation.

This only happens in Hell. And we don't know how long it takes, or if their memories would return if you wish them back.

alakazam^ · Post by **alakazam^** » Thu Aug 13, 2009 12:36 am

In addition, the rule is that you can only bring people back with the Dragon Ball who've only been dead for less than a year.
This isn't right. The 'one year' rule only applies when wishing back to life a large number of people. Such as 'I wish everyone Vegeta killed was back to life' would only restore people he killed in the last year. But you should still be able to wish back someone who died 10 years ago, so long as it wasn't a natural death.

I thought that was only fan speculation because they didn't mention anything like that before or after Freeza and they weren't very clear if the "one year" rule was for many people or for everyone.

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Thu Aug 13, 2009 3:38 am

alakazam^ wrote:I thought that was only fan speculation because they didn't mention anything like that before or after Freeza and they weren't very clear if the "one year" rule was for many people or for everyone.

Kami: "Although, if you want to bring back everyone whom those two killed, I'm afraid we would be limited to those who died in the past year."

If the Viz translation is accurate here, it sounds like it only applies in these situations.

Post by **Herms** » Thu Aug 13, 2009 5:39 am

Bussani wrote:Kami: "Although, if you want to bring back everyone whom those two killed, I'm afraid we would be limited to those who died in the past year."

If the Viz translation is accurate here, it sounds like it only applies in these situations.

That's accurate, and it's the only time any 1 year limit is ever mentioned.

Aikachi · Post by **Aikachi** » Thu Aug 13, 2009 8:59 am

Due to the major inconsistancies, such as having 'earned' a physical body in the afterlife, having been a good person, et cetera... I'd just privately assumed that once you reached a certain mastery of martial arts or more specifically how to control your ki, you'd be able to keep your body. The villains that supposedly kept their bodies in hell were all clearly much stronger than Enma.

I'll stop rambling I guess, I've never bothered to think about it in too much depth, there are an awful lot of plot holes after all, and half of the supporting 'evidence' to any theory is filler anyway.

Amigo Ten · Post by **Amigo Ten** » Thu Aug 13, 2009 11:50 am

By the end of the Buu saga, I highly doubt much attention was being payed to the dragons limitations. There's a catch all "We've upgraded his powers too!" so that anything that happens is excusable. I suppose that means AT was paying attention, but whatever, you get my point.

When Krillin was restored, first they had to wish his soul to Earth, otherwise he'd be revived where Namek was, and when he was brought back, Porunga said he restored his body and clothes as a treat, rather than (presumably) them having to wish for a new one or something. When they make the wish in the Buu saga to restore the Earth, Porunga actually does the little "Okay!" hand sign, so he looks like he's in a good mood, even with his new powers.

Plus, as for the soul cleansing stuff, they make a point not to wish back the evil ones, so that shouldn't matter.

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Thu Aug 13, 2009 8:14 pm

Amigo Ten wrote:When Krillin was restored, first they had to wish his soul to Earth, otherwise he'd be revived where Namek was, and when he was brought back, Porunga said he restored his body and clothes as a treat, rather than (presumably) them having to wish for a new one or something. When they make the wish in the Buu saga to restore the Earth, Porunga actually does the little "Okay!" hand sign, so he looks like he's in a good mood, even with his new powers.

I never could tell if Porunga was just joking. Shenlong never restored people you wished back to life in a body with a hole in it or anything.

The whole 'wish the soul here first' thing was only important because they died somewhere that didn't exist any more. It isn't usually necessary.

Plus, as for the soul cleansing stuff, they make a point not to wish back the evil ones, so that shouldn't matter.

One could argue that Vegeta must have gone to Hell when Freeza killed him, but he wasn't 'cleansed' when he was wished back. But...knowing the afterlife, he was probably waiting in line to be judged still.

Amigo Ten · Post by **Amigo Ten** » Thu Aug 13, 2009 8:17 pm

Well, he was only dead for what, an hour so (if that)? Might not have started by then.

Velasa · Post by **Velasa** » Wed Aug 19, 2009 5:10 am

Amigo Ten wrote: Yamcha, Tenshinhan and Piccolo's bodies didn't vanish, they just all got new bodies in the afterlife. And when they were revived, they weren't returned to their old bodies, their new ones were just made living.

Sweet Kami, I've never eve thought about that before and it's goddamn creepy as shit. o__o So in a forgotten capsule somewhere in a drawer there's still a bunch of corpses still laying around.

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Wed Aug 19, 2009 5:25 am

Velasa wrote:
Amigo Ten wrote: Yamcha, Tenshinhan and Piccolo's bodies didn't vanish, they just all got new bodies in the afterlife. And when they were revived, they weren't returned to their old bodies, their new ones were just made living.
Sweet Kami, I've never eve thought about that before and it's goddamn creepy as shit. o__o So in a forgotten capsule somewhere in a drawer there's still a bunch of corpses still laying around.

When Goku died, his body disappeared because Kami took it to the afterlife for him to use. I always half assumed that, after a while after the battle, Kami took the bodies of the earthlings (including the atomized body of Chaozu) to the afterlife for them to go and see Kaio. But it's never brought up, so it's just a theory.