Herms wrote:rereboy wrote:Not really. The data wouldn`t help make the androids stronger since what makes them powerful is their machine parts.
Even if the purely mechanical androids are only machines, they're still mechanical imitations of super warriors like Goku and co., So I think it's reasonable to say that if Gero hadn't gathered data on those warriors he wouldn't have been able to reproduce that kind of power with machines. I mean, is it really a coincidence that all the later androids can fly freely and shoot energy attacks just like Goku and co.? Ordinary Earth warriors can't do things like that, so where would Gero have learned to make androids who can if not by watching Goku?
He had already created an android (nº 8 ) stronger than Goku was at the time and then created androids vastly superior in power to anything that he had seen. All he had seen was a sayan saga Vegeta and he created androids much stronger than Freeza, especially #16. How could he create that from what he saw and from his data?
Maybe he got the idea of flying and shooting blasts from the hands from watching the fighters and inserted those functions into the androids, but in terms of raw power it has nothing to do with the fighters.
In terms of raw power he had to create mechanically a system that would generate that much energy and although we don`t know for sure how the androids work, I think its safe to assume that they generate their energy differently from the fighters. They don`t fight with ki, they fight with energy and thats why the fighters can`t sense them. Its totally different.
Bussani wrote:Herms wrote:rereboy wrote:Not really. The data wouldn`t help make the androids stronger since what makes them powerful is their machine parts.
Even if the purely mechanical androids are only machines, they're still mechanical imitations of super warriors like Goku and co., So I think it's reasonable to say that if Gero hadn't gathered data on those warriors he wouldn't have been able to reproduce that kind of power with machines. I mean, is it really a coincidence that all the later androids can fly freely and shoot energy attacks just like Goku and co.? Ordinary Earth warriors can't do things like that, so where would Gero have learned to make androids who can if not by watching Goku?
This is what I meant. Without a bar set, why would you even imagine something this strong? Technology always marches forward, but the big jumps come when there's a need. Having a rival makes everyone work harder, even scientists.
rereboy, you seem to be saying that if Goku had never met Bulma and never left his mountain, he'd never get any stronger. But Gero, for no reason other than 'he loves his work' would create androids more powerful than the gods themselves. I don't know why he'd even imagine such technology if there was nothing around in that sort of range.
To clarify on the bomb analogy, imagine the people of Earth were the people with nothing but swords. You build an android that could be compared to them as a nuclear bomb. Kind of overkill. Why on Earth would you then imagine, "it'd be cool if I made a bomb that could blow up the world." Because nuclear bombs alone just aren't impressive enough?
But then you are implying that what Dr. Gero did in the original story (create androids that powerful) doesn`t make sense because he didn`t think he would need it.
But thats exactly my point. If I didn`t know that Dr. Gero did that in the original story, I would think exactly like you, that since there was no "real" need he wouldn`t do it. But
he did do it. We know this from the original story. He exceeded a million times or more what he thought he needed for taking out Goku and conquering the world.
Does that make sense for a normal person? No it doesn`t. But if we think like Dr. Gero then it starts to make sense. He likes to reach perfection. And that wouldn`t change if there were no Dragon Balls.
As for Goku, I know he would get stronger, but would he really get as strong as quickly as in the original storyline?
In the original story, thanks for his quest for the Dragon Balls, he got the very best training Earth had to offer (under Roshi, Karin and kami) and even got to drink the Holy Water to be stronger.
Logic states that if he didn`t follow that path he wouldn`t become as strong as quickly and so he would be less important overall.
As for Dr. Gero, when he was with the RR army, he had, probably, one of the best supports and resources the world could offer to him and his experiments. I bet his funding was pretty amazing. But that was all gone when the RR army was destroyed and he was forced to continue by himself, alone. Without the Dragon Balls and consequently Goku`s interference, he would probably remain with the RR army and their support.
If you want an analogy, being forced out of the RR army, would be like Goku being forced to end his training with Roshi, karin and Kami earlier than he should. Sure, he could continue on his own and perhaps with the similar results, but logic states that having lost those means, he would have more trouble and would take longer to reach the same results.
As for the bomb analogy, I understood what you said, and I agree that from a normal person`s point of view it wouldn`t make much sense. Like I said, If I didn`t know what Dr Gero did in the original story, I would also think like you, that he wouldn`t do it. But just like I said, when Dr Gero created #16 and etc to fight Goku with his sayan arc power and to conquer the world,
he did create an nuclear bomb to take care of a bunch of people with swords.
What you say that doesn`t make sense, is
exactly what Dr. Gero did in the original story, and we can only only logically justify that action with his will to reach perfection in his work. And that will to reach perfection certainly was within him long before the Dragon Balls and Goku.
Dr. Gero is motivated by revenge, no doubt about that. But he is also equally motivated by his need to reach perfection. If he wanted revenge more than he wanted perfection, he would strike Goku and his friends with androids much less powerful much early in the story. Since he thought Goku would be with a power similar to that of the sayan arc, the power of those androids would be within what was needed to kill him.
But then, why did he strike that late with such powerful androids? Why even bother to waste time to create androids as powerful as #16 when he clearly thought that power levels like the ones #19 and #20 had would be more than enough to have his revenge? Because his work, his experiments, his need to reach perfection and create outstanding inventions were equally important to him. It wasn`t all about revenge.
