FUNimation dub of Kai vs full/original DBZ accuracy

[DemonRin]

Woah, woah, woah, sir. I was referring to Dragonball Z itself, not Funimation's dub of it.

Sorry, fixed it.

And yeah, what YBM said.

[xzero]

'Have you seen the Z dub? They're bound to just do a half-assed dub.

Have you seen the dubs of their more recent properties, especially notable ones like One Piece?

They're bound to do a great dub... if they try.

This is true. Since about 2005, their dubs have been really good (Full Metal Alchemist debuted in early-2005, which I consider to be the first of many really accurate Funimation dubs). Notably, 2005 also saw the redub, and though Season 1 went with the original script for a lot of it, Season 2 is probably the best we're ever going to see from them for a dub of Z. A Kai dub reflecting the accuracy and general spirit of Season 2 would be fantastic.

As I noted in another thread, though, I doubt Sean Schemmel is willing to come back and scream for another 100 episodes. They'd also have to recast Cell due to Dameon Clark's departure. Maybe Chris Sabat can do their roles.

[JulieYBM]

Schemmel comes back every year to do the video games so I doubt he would mind.

[DemonRin]

Schemmel comes back every year to do the video games so I doubt he would mind.

Coming back for one video game where you only have to sit for one, two maybe three sessions and read off your lines and then leave is something entirely different than 100 episodes worth of work.
Plus, with the standing around while the wind blows scenes gone, there's more talking than there would have been (barring filler of course)

Also, this is probably the single greatest point of Kai. FUNi was asked what they'd do when Kai came around, and they said it'd be treated like one of their NEW Properties. Also, the fact that it's touted as a "Directors Cut" kind of thing even in Japan, the differences in script wouldn't be a problem at ALL.

I just hope they aren't afraid to recast some people, I mean the Japanese Did it!
Freeza needs a Recast (and a Name spelling correction) and at least a few of Sabat's roles need a Recast.

I really hope they go all-out on this and Recast quite a few people, we need a good dub for a change

[JulieYBM]

Schemmel comes back every year to do the video games so I doubt he would mind.

Coming back for one video game where you only have to sit for one, two maybe three sessions and read off your lines and then leave is something entirely different than 100 episodes worth of work.
Plus, with the standing around while the wind blows scenes gone, there's more talking than there would have been (barring filler of course

Not to say I am against massive recasting, but work is work so I doubt Schemmel will turn it down, espicially if it's his signiture role.

[penguintruth]

Schemmel comes back every year to do the video games so I doubt he would mind.

Don't encourage him.

[SSJmole]

I'd like a mixture of the two. A FUNimation dub that was a bit closer. Some of the FUNimation dub persona's I prefer. Like Goku, Z-time I prefer the more Superman like personality while pre-Z I prefer Japanese Goku. Some voices are the characters to me like Chris Sabat IS Vegeta as far as I'm concerned. Some things I'd like fixing though. E.g I hate Dub android 19's Voice. So that can be tweaked to be better.

[Chuquita]

I want Funi to recast Freeza so badly. I don't know who I'd pick, because I stopped following VA's a couple years ago, but I really wish for a Freeza closer in tone to Mr. Nakao.


If Goku gets recasted, I'd really like the new voice to be closer to what TeamFourStar's MasakoX does with the role.

[penguintruth]

If Goku gets recasted, I'd really like the new voice to be closer to what TeamFourStar's MasakoX does with the role.

Forget "close", I'd like to hear MasakoX, period.

[Chuquita]

If Goku gets recasted, I'd really like the new voice to be closer to what TeamFourStar's MasakoX does with the role.

Forget "close", I'd like to hear MasakoX, period.

I'd really like that too--MasakoX's Goku has become my favorite English Dub Goku, I just worry they wouldn't be able to get him because wouldn't Funi want him to move to nearby where they record in Fort Worth?


If he were to be casted as Goku, I'd definitely buy a Funi Kai release. :3

[xzero]

I might be in the minority on this board (maybe not), but I felt that Schemmel's Goku is the definitive Goku for everything except for Ginyu, Freeza, Trunks, and early Cell (so essentially seasons 3, 4, and 5 based on the orange brick release). I think that for the end of Dragon Ball in particular he absolutely nailed the part. It was the perfect mix of seriousness and playfulness, which is exactly what Goku should be. Likewise, in GT, when Sean voiced Goku in the SSJ4 state, the voice really matched the character - rougher and more battle hardened, but still innocent.

If I had the time and technology, I'd love to rip all of the lines I can from the games and replace several of the dub lines in the season 3-5 era with them. The games were, with some exceptions, infinitely better than the show in that time period. As a good example, play the SSJ Goku vs. Freeza fight from Budokai Tenkaichi 3. During the fight, there are lines that are directly from the Japanese version of episode 101 (and others). Sean's "You mean Krillin!?!" line, which was exactly what the Japanese version called for -excluding the name change- was perfect. Of course, ripping the lines means that the lip synching would probably be off, but from an audio perspective, the experience would be greatly improved.

Getting back to Sean, I really can't see him doing it all again, though I'd love that. And who knows? VAs who don't direct seem to be thrilled to get jobs, so maybe he'd be up for it. If he couldn't do it, Ian Corlette wouldn't be a bad second option. Sean's voice is, both for me and for most Americans, Goku's voice. This board does not represent the numbers because it caters to fans of the original more than the dub, but I assure you that the vast majority of American DBZ fans view Sean as the definitive Goku just like I do.

[SSJmole]

I want Funi to recast Freeza so badly. I don't know who I'd pick, because I stopped following VA's a couple years ago, but I really wish for a Freeza closer in tone to Mr. Nakao.

I love Dub Frieza I think re-casting him would be wrong.

[Ultimate_DB_Fan]

I love Dub Freeza I think re-casting him would be wrong.

Agreed. That'd just be dumb.
I have a question that just popped into my head. How would anyone here feel if an accurate dub was done by FUNi, but for whatever hypothetical reason, they used Faulconer's scores? I asked using the word hypothetically because FUNi would most likely use the current scores used for Kai, but even still, I'm asking as a 'what if?'

[DemonRin]

Dub Freeza was probably one of the worse voice choices in the entire dub.

the Ocean Group made the call to cast Freeza as a woman, and then when FUNi started doing it in-house, they had to get someone to match Ocean's casting, so they cast Linda Young.

Freeza needs to have a masculine voice, period. No more of this "Feminine Gay Lizard who wants to caress balls" voice.

If Schemell acts Son like he does in the Boo Arc and the Video Games like Burst Limit, I'll be fine with him. In those, he dropped the "I'm Superman with Spiky Hair!" style of portrayal and actually began portraying Son right. Maybe it was because they'd done Dragon Ball around this time, and he knew how the character was supposed to act now or something, but he got a lot better...
That, and he needs to learn how to pronounce the Japanese words. No more "Kay-Oh-Kehn", No more "Ka-may-yame-ya". And for GOD'S SAKE! FUNi! You called him "Son Goku" in Burst Limit! Teach Schemell how to pronounce "Son" properly, and carry that trait over PLEASE!

Also, as I said before, Sabat plays too many characters, they need to recast a fair bit of them. Maybe keep Vegeta and/or Piccolo (just play Piccolo closer to Zoro from One Piece) and recast everyone else.

[B]

I love Dub Freeza I think re-casting him would be wrong.

Agreed. That'd just be dumb.
I have a question that just popped into my head. How would anyone here feel if an accurate dub was done by FUNi, but for whatever hypothetical reason, they used Faulconer's scores? I asked using the word hypothetically because FUNi would most likely use the current scores used for Kai, but even still, I'm asking as a 'what if?'

It would still be bad.

[JulieYBM]

Since Barry Watson flew up to Canada weekly I am pretty sure he was the one to cast the majority of the Ocean dub...so I suspect he was the one to cast Freeza.


Urhghck.

[Rocketman]

Japanese words ... "Ka-may-yame-ya"

Something's off here....

[DemonRin]

That's how some of the actors in the dub pronounce it.

[penguintruth]

I can't think of a worse voice for Goku than Sean Schemmel. A forced-sounding, charmless cretin voice, and a half-baked, wooden delivery. Half the time it was a bad Ian Corlett impression, and Corlett wasn't that great to begin with. Goku definitely needs a recasting, and if he isn't, I fail to see how they can do a good job with a redub.

I also disagree with xzero that the majority of American DBZ fans like the dub at all. It's about 50/50 if you just count big DBZ fans, and in the general anime community, the dub is still a joke, watched out of nostalgia for its "so bad it's good" quality.

Most of the cast needs replacing, as I've stated in the past. Piccolo, Gohan, Bulma, Freeza, Kaio-sama, Kami-sama, Nappa, just to name a few.

Just redoing the script isn't nearly enough. If anything, that's the minimum requirement. They need to at least seriously adjust the peformances, if not replace a good number of the voice "talents" in the series. Most of Sabat's roles need to be given to others, at the very least. Let him stay in a few.

If they really want to do these characters justice, it's a matter of tuning them into how the characters are intended. They should all read the manga. You might normally argue such a practice interferes with their creative process, but based on what we've seen (or rather, heard) thus far, they clearly don't have one.

They need to stop thinking of themselves as creative. Where has their creativity brought DBZ? Cat loves food, that's where. We don't need lines about Goku's split ends or Vegeta's hemmeroids. And we don't need the characters even sounding like these sort of things would come out of their mouths. Whatever illusions Funimation had of what THEY felt the show was about have to be cast into a fire. It's time for a reboot.

Ultimate_DB_Fan, if Funimation wants their new dub to be taken seriously, they will never use replacement music again.

[Rocketman]

I can't think of a worse voice for Goku than Sean Schemmel.

Gilbert Gottfried.