Are Earth's greatest fighters orphans?

[Impish]

Although I agree with your latter point that DB movie 3 cannot be considered cannon, just Chaotzu being emperor doesn't conflict Dragonball. I'll agree that emperor Chaotzu doesn't have to be cannon by any means but that doesn't mean it isn't plausible.

The word you're thinking of is canon, not cannon.

Why do i get the image of Chaotzu flying out of cannon? And why do i like it?

[caejones]

Although I agree with your latter point that DB movie 3 cannot be considered cannon, just Chaotzu being emperor doesn't conflict Dragonball. I'll agree that emperor Chaotzu doesn't have to be cannon by any means but that doesn't mean it isn't plausible.

The word you're thinking of is canon, not cannon.

Why do i get the image of Chaotzu flying out of cannon? And why do i like it?

And now we have an ultimate attack for Lunch in the next SPARKING! / Raging Blast!

[Piccolo Daimao]

We do not know whether Kuririn, Yamcha, Tenshinhan and Chaozu are orphans or not. Perhaps they do have parents, but, like Piccolo Daimaoh said, they just weren't that important to explore into and they held no relevance to the story at the time.

All that we really know about the characters' backstories is that Kuririn was trained at Orin Temple, Yamcha was a desert bandit, and Tenshinhan & Chaozu were trained by Tsuru-Sen'nin (who could be percieved as something of a father figure for them). Basically, it's like asking if every character in the series whose parents hadn't been mentioned were orphans or not. You'll get no closer to finding the answer than any other fan.

Why do i get the image of Chaotzu flying out of cannon? And why do i like it?

'Cos Chaozu's an annoying little bitch.

[Kunzait_83]

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[Herms]

As said earlier, Kuririn was a runaway from a Shaolin temple at the age of what, 13 I think?

Yeah, and what's more, when he first appears he says that he spent about 8 years training at Oorin Temple, meaning he must have entered when he was only 5!

[caejones]

I once read a fanfic that tried to work in a backstory for emperor Chaozu into canon. At least I think; it was never finished, and holycrap changes the feel of the world, but I find it awesome nonetheless.

Didn't Yajirobe have a village / clan type dealy, but he got kicked out / left?

[Herms]

Didn't Yajirobe have a village / clan type dealy, but he got kicked out / left?

I think you're confusing him with Jar Jar Binks.

[Godo]

Didn't Yajirobe have a village / clan type dealy, but he got kicked out / left?

I think you're confusing him with Jar Jar Binks.

That would be impossible, for many reasons:

1) Yajirobe served a purpose. Jar Jar Binks, while his actions lead to his people joining forces with the Nabooians, was a disturbance and useless. And I bet that if he didn't exist, the Nabooians would ally with his people even easier.
Yajirobe took Goku to Karin, which lead to the defeat of Piccolo Damaio. Needless to say, even his role as the Bean Daddy wasn't a minor one.
2) They both look vastly different.
3) Yajirobe clearly went all ronin on his village's ass. They probably begged him to stay. That's just how he rolls. Jar Jar was kicked out without a second thought.
4) Jar Jar Binks is reduced into a diplomatic role later. Just the fact that people take him seriously in a diplomatic situation is unbelievable. Yajirobe stayed and people relied on him to help in the fights. Even though Jar Jar became a general, he sucked. Yajirobe sliced up Vegeta and cut off his tail.
5) Yajirobe's knowledge on battle is vast. He realizes that Shen is experienced, and also that Piccolo Damaio was way out of his leauge to defeat. Jar Jar made a fool out of himself on the battle field.
6) Yajirobe helped Goku, but not willingly. Jar Jar enslaved himself willingly like a bitch.

Take my words with a grain of salt...it's just that my hate for Jar Jar Binks is bottomless, and I think that's it's awful if he was to be associated with an awesome character such as Yajirobe.

[Khalid Shahin]

I thought this topic was going to be about the orphan village at the beginning of Z.

[Deep Thought]

I'm actually pretty sure that Yamcha and Tien are. Not so sure about Chatzou, I mean, what do we know about him? He could be an alien for all we know.

[Herms]

I'm actually pretty sure that Yamcha and Tenshinhan are. Not so sure about Chatzou, I mean, what do we know about him? He could be an alien for all we know.

How do we know any less about his background than we do about Yamcha or Tenshinhan?

[Gaffer Tape]

I guess he could be implying that at least Yamucha and Tenshinhan made significant contributions/appearances throughout the series while Chaozu pretty much never did anything beyond his initial appearance. Not exactly a causal effect to backstory, though, but I guess overall we feel like we know Yamucha and Tenshinhan much better than Chaozu, who, in my opinion, is the most wasted character in the entire series.

[Chibi Mystic Gohan]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure he lost every single fight he was ever in. What a loser. Didn't Yamcha lose all of his fights too? Unless you want to count his fight with Goku, which was kind of a draw (but Goku was weakened because he was hungry).

[Godo]

I'm actually pretty sure that Yamcha and Tenshinhan are. Not so sure about Chatzou, I mean, what do we know about him? He could be an alien for all we know.

How do we know any less about his background than we do about Yamcha or Tenshinhan?

Yamcha: Desert bandit.
Tenshinhan: Descendant from the three eyed tribe.
Chao-zu: Circus-freak?

[Herms]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure he lost every single fight he was ever in. What a loser. Didn't Yamcha lose all of his fights too? Unless you want to count his fight with Goku, which was kind of a draw (but Goku was weakened because he was hungry).

Yeah, according to my battle records, Chaozu loses every fight in the manga:

Chaozu
Number of fights: 3
Wins: 0 (0%)
Losses: 3 (100%)
Interruptions, ties, etc: 0 (0%)
xKrillin vs. Chaozu
xChaozu vs. Tao Pai Pai
xTenshinhan, Chaozu vs. Nappa

This doesn’t count him being killed by Piccolo Daimao as a fight, not that counting it would improve his record any. This also only counts fights actually shown. He passed the preliminaries of the 22nd TB, so obviously he won lots of matches there, but we never actually see him win.

Yamcha does better, but really not by much:

Yamcha
Number of fights: 13
Wins: 5 (38.5%)
Losses: 7 (53.8%)
Interruptions, ties, etc: 1 (7.7%)
oGoku vs. Yamcha
xGoku vs. Yamcha
oChi Chi vs. Yamcha
oYamcha, Puar vs. Oozaru Goku
xYamcha vs. Jacky Chun
oYamcha vs. invisible man
xYamcha vs. Mummy-kun
oYamcha vs. mohawk guy
xYamcha vs. Tenshinhan
xYamcha vs. Shen
--Yamcha vs. SaibaiMan
xYamcha vs. No.20
xGoku, Vegeta, Trunks, Piccolo, Tenshinhan, Krillin, Yamcha vs. Cell Juniors

Like you said, it’s debatable whether his first fight with Goku really counts as a victory. Him and Puar managing to revert Oozaru Goku to normal is also iffy. I based these battle records off of the list of Goku’s battles in the SEG, and it lists those fights as defeats for Goku, so I just went with that. His other victories aren’t that impressive either. He only beats Suke-san with Kuririn’s very special help, and the Mohawk guy is just some random participant in the 22nd TB preliminaries and the fight is really short. I guess young Chi Chi was fairly strong (or at least her helmet was), but it’s hard to feel impressed with a grown man taking out a little girl. Of course, winning isn't everything. Even if he lost, he still had a great fight against Tenshinhan. Chaozu had a pretty good fight with Kuririn too.

[Savage68]

His other victories aren’t that impressive either. He only beats Suke-san with Kuririn’s very special help

A lot of people forget that Yamcha was initially going to win that fight, but Baba started singing in order to mask the sound of her fighter's movements. Yamcha didn't have any more help than his opponent did.

[Godo]

Let me put in a little bit about what I think about Yamcha's fights:

- Goku vs. Yamcha: Even though Goku was hungry, Yamcha did win that fight fairly.

- Goku vs. Yamcha (no.2): Goku did win fairly.

- Chi Chi vs. Yamcha: As told before, not much of a prestigeous fight, but Yamcha did fairly well against the Ox-Kings daughter.

- Yamcha, Puar vs. Oozaru Goku: Yamcha proved his skills as a tactician here. In a state of fear, he managed to come up with a plan how to remove Goku's tail.

- Yamcha vs. Jacky Chun: Jackie Chun won, without a doubt fairly. But, you could wonder if Yamcha trained at Kame Sennin's before that tournament, if he wouldn't have an even greater advantage than Goku and Kuririn.

- Yamcha vs. invisible man: She sang that awful song. Yamcha would have won if it wasn't for that.

- Yamcha vs. Mummy-kun: He was weaker, but he did fairly well considering the gap between them.

-Yamcha vs. mohawk guy: Not much to say here.

- Yamcha vs. Tenshinhan: To be fair, Tenshinhan fought to hurt Yamcha. Even Goku mentioned later that Tenshinhan wasn't just fighting to win. I would say that if Yamcha fought on the same terms, the fight would have gone much better. Compare it to Tenshinhan and Jackie Chun's fight. I believe that Jackie Chun could have won that fight if he wanted to.

-Yamcha vs. Shen: BALLZ FATALITY

- Yamcha vs. SaibaiMan: He won the fight, if it wasn't for the suicidal dirty trick.

- Yamcha vs. No.20: Ok, he had no chance to win begin with.

- Goku, Vegeta, Trunks, Piccolo, Tenshinhan, Krillin, Yamcha vs. Cell Juniors: It was odd that he didn't explode from a single punch, but I guess the Cell Jrs were holding back.

[Senzu_Bean]

Chaozu
Number of fights: 3
Wins: 0 (0%)
Losses: 100 (100%)
Interruptions, ties, etc: 0 (0%)
xKrillin vs. Chaozu
xChaozu vs. Tao Pai Pai
xTenshinhan, Chaozu vs. Nappa

You made a mistake in there. Chaotzu didn't fought 100 fights, did he?

[Piccolo Daimao]

Tenshinhan: Descendant from the three eyed tribe.

*cough*BULLSHIT*cough*

[Herms]

You made a mistake in there. Chaotzu didn't fought 100 fights, did he?

Ah, thanks for catching that. Fixed now.

Tenshinhan: Descendant from the three eyed tribe.

*cough*BULLSHIT*cough*

Well, it's official.