Differences in each Viz edition

[TenshinFan]

I have those early copies, and mine are the uncensored (or nearly uncensored) copies. I get Goku full nudity, Bulma full nudity, middle fingers, etc. The only thing apparently partly censored from those early copies was Oolong's fantasy about puff-puffing in his first appearance. In fact, I have the later-published "full red" copy of Volume 2, and it's also uncensored. All the nudity and the middle finger is there, and Goku does pat-pat Chichi on the cloud.

Odd that they would censor Oolong's Puff-Puff fantasy but show Muten-Roshi performing one!

[rereboy]

Are the Viz Bigs still going? I only seem to see the same six everywhere I go (the first 3 in Dragon Ball and the first 3 "Z" volumes). Eh, either way I'm not buying another edition until all the colour pages are, like, in colour. If I want to spend money on a mutilated product, I'll stick with buying the blue bricks, thank you very much.

You are looking at it the wrong way... The Vizbigs are awesome releases in high quality, way better than any other version of the manga that came before.

Yes, some previous versions of the manga had less censorship, but the advantages of the Vizbig more than make up for that because the censorship is not intrusive at all.

And then we have an hypothetical Kanzenban release... Yes, of course the Kanzeban is better and a more complete release... But how much would it cost?

Well, the French Kanzenban is selling at a retail price of €10 per volume (roughly $13,5). And each Vizbig is selling at a retail price of $17,99.

There are 14 Vizbigs volumes in total (DB plus DBZ) and there are 34 Kanzenban volumes in total. Which means that a Kanzenban release would probably have a total retail price of $459 and the Vizbigs have a total retail price of $252.

See the difference?

The really big fault that the Vizbigs have is the fact that they dont have all the color pages. But they do have most of them, more than half. The censorship ends up being so minor and mostly just censoring full nudity that I honestly don`t mind it. I hate censorship as much as the next guy but when its not really relevant, I simply don`t care about it.

So... Even If there was a Kanzenban release, I don`t know if I would pick it over the Vizbigs. The Vizbigs have much more value for money and my money doesn`t grow on trees
The only 3 things which are definitely better in the Kanzenban release are: more color pages, no censorship and prettier covers.
If you think that is worth spending almost twice what you would spend on the Vizbigs, then by all means, go for it. If not, Vizbig is the way to go.

Alright, thanks guys! Looks like I'll be getting the first ten volumes (of each series) in those older, bigger versions, and everything else in VizBig. Back when they were coming out I had about 2/3 of the red volumes, but I sold them off a couple years ago... time to replace em!

I just hope that someday a ""Perfect Edition" will be released.... totally uncensored, more accurate translations, all color chapters colored... I reckon they'd sell like gangbusters too

They are not worth it, I think. Even with slightly more censorship, the Vizbigs are better. Their advantages more than make up for that overall. You would do better in having all in Vizbig format.

At least, in my opinion.

[Bussani]

I have those early copies, and mine are the uncensored (or nearly uncensored) copies. I get Goku full nudity, Bulma full nudity, middle fingers, etc. The only thing apparently partly censored from those early copies was Oolong's fantasy about puff-puffing in his first appearance. In fact, I have the later-published "full red" copy of Volume 2, and it's also uncensored. All the nudity and the middle finger is there, and Goku does pat-pat Chichi on the cloud.

That's interesting. I also have a red copy that's just about as uncensored as you say, and again, the Oolong puff-puff fantasy is the only thing edited; which seems really pointless, since it's so small and they had Bulma's more prominent nudity just a few pages before.

I do know that the comic style singles by Viz was very uncensored compared to these big white ones. Closer to the 13 and up ones and these new red ones, I guess.

[TenshinFan]

Dammit, I'm so torn as to which editions to buy!!

Man, Viz, get your ass in gear and put out some legit Kanzenban pronto!

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

Dammit, I'm so torn as to which editions to buy!!

Man, Viz, get your ass in gear and put out some legit Kanzenban pronto!

I don't think Viz is ever going to release the Kanzenban, at least not for a long while.


My honest opinion is that you get the VizBigs, they're printed on higher quality paper and they're cheaper. They may be more censored than the single volumes but seriously, it's only minor censorship and it doesn't really bother me. You don't get to see Goku's penis or Bulma's tits. Big friggin deal.

[rereboy]

Actually you get to see Goku`s penis. And also Bulma`s butt.

Only FULL nudity on adults (or developed teens) is censored like Bulma`s tits.

Like I said, the censorship is really minor. And even all the original sexual intent (of the situations) is preserved.

In a nutshell, what do they censored in the Vizbigs?

- Full nudity (as I explained)
- middle fingers
- Mr. popo`s lips

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

Actually you get to see Goku`s penis. And also Bulma`s butt.

Only FULL nudity on adults (or developed teens) is censored like Bulma`s tits.

Like I said, the censorship is really minor. And even all the original sexual intent (of the situations) is preserved.

In a nutshell, what do they censored in the Vizbigs?

- Full nudity (as I explained)
- middle fingers
- Mr. popo`s lips

Oh right, that is really minor.

What I don't understand is why people are willing to spend more money on the single volumes just because they're a bit less censored. Well it's their loss, I guess.

[Kendamu]

To preserve Toriyama's artistic integrity, of course!

Bulma's tits.

[Blue]

To preserve Toriyama's artistic integrity, of course!

Bulma's tits.

Don't forget the little boy penis.

Disclaimer: Blue does not condone being aroused by little boy penis

[TenshinFan]

It may not be that important to most of you, but there is literally nothing in the world I loathe more than censorship. I'd feel like I'm betraying myself (and Toriyama) by buying a censored product. I don't want Viz to think I support censorship by giving them my money.

[Blue]

It may not be that important to most of you, but there is literally nothing in the world I loathe more than censorship. I'd feel like I'm betraying myself (and Toriyama) by buying a censored product. I don't want Viz to think I support censorship by giving them my money.

Is it safe to say you're staying away from Kai then?

[TenshinFan]

Well.... see... um.... no?

Well, I actually like the idea of Kai. DBZ anime w/o fillers? Hell yes! I saw the first 3 episodes online (man, I love Raditz), and the only censorship was less blood, right? And even then, wasn't that how the manga had it? Is there any more censorship I should be aware of later in the series? I didn't think Z had -nearly- as much to censor as DB anyway. Also, I hear that once it comes out on DVD (when I will watch the rest of it), it will be uncut. So I'll be spending my money and showing my support for an uncensored product! ...right?

[Blue]

Nope what airs on TV is what you get. They edit out little boy penis and a good amount of blood. Sometimes there's as much as what was in the manga sometimes less. Looks like what was okay to air on TV has changed since the 80's. Middle fingers are edited out too.

[TenshinFan]

Oh man. That is so disappointing to learn I love the pacing of Kai -SO- much more than Z... fuck! Conundrum!

[Metalwario64]

Oh man. That is so disappointing to learn I love the pacing of Kai -SO- much more than Z... fuck! Conundrum!

Or you could look at Kai as it's own show, and say that that Kai is uncensored.

[rereboy]

It may not be that important to most of you, but there is literally nothing in the world I loathe more than censorship. I'd feel like I'm betraying myself (and Toriyama) by buying a censored product. I don't want Viz to think I support censorship by giving them my money.

Yes, but even the less censored ones have censorship (Mr. Popo`s lips and the nipples on the girl Oolong imagines), so no matter what you do you will have censorship.

That being said and having to deal only with censored editions, the most logical conclusion is that the Vizbigs are the better choice.

[TenshinFan]

The thing with the VizBigs (other than censorship) is that... why color any pages at all if you don't color all of them? Seriously. Why not color them all? What's the point of releasing "new color editions!" when there's only 1/2 the color? I'd almost prefer to have no color at all than this half-ass tease...

[rereboy]

The thing with the VizBigs (other than censorship) is that... why color any pages at all if you don't color all of them? Seriously. Why not color them all? What's the point of releasing "new color editions!" when there's only 1/2 the color? I'd almost prefer to have no color at all than this half-ass tease...

Really? I don`t think that way at all... Having most of the color pages in color is 1000 times better than not having any. I agree that its a shame that they are not all there, but that is not a disadvantage to the ones that are. And the ones that are there look awesome.

Anyway I took the liberty of compiling a list of all the censorship that the Vizbigs have (divided into 3 categories). Please forgive me for the poor quality of some scans and also keep in mind that the english translation in the uncensored panels is fan-made and not official.

Middle Fingers

(this is a middle finger example. This or something similar happens every time a middle finger shows up so I only put one example. It doesn`t happen that often, though. Maybe 3 or 4 times, I can`t be sure.)

Nudity














Mr. Popo`s lips

(this is a Mr popo example. I only put this one as an example because this happens every time he appears)


These panels (except the ones of which I only just examples) are ALL the censorship that the Vizbigs have. There isn`t anymore, anywhere. Every other panel is uncensored, at least to this date. I say this because the DBZ Vizbigs aren`t finished yet. However, previous editions of Viz only censored two moments in DBZ: they removed from #17`s hand a gun making it look like he killed a man with his bare hand (which is even more brutal than the original) and they altered the rifles of the humans who shot Mr. Satan to make them look more like laser guns than actual existing weapons (which doesn`t make them any less lethal either).

[TenshinFan]

[quote="rereboy]


(this is a middle finger example. There are more but since they are all pretty much the same I chose to only put this one as an example)



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Whoa, where did you get that colored pic of Bulma flipping the bird, if the VizBigs are censored?

Also, what is that other pic censoring? Am I missing something...?

[bkev]

The uncensored are from fan translations. As for the second picture, it's a very subtle edit regarding the magazine bulma's holding in her right hand.