If they were to refresh the entire series?

[DemonRin]

Nothing, I just want to see what you guys comments about these "in-between frames" from the opening.

My comment is that it is invisible in motion.
So instead of hunting down every slightly off frame you can find, why don't you post some cool frames instead?

But every cool frame is can be seen in motion

And that's the POINT.

Animation is just that. ANIMATION! It's Moving pictures. You're not supposed to look at every frame one at a time, you're supposed to watch all of the frames as they move together. Anime is played at 23-30 Frames a second. That means, for every Minute of video, there are 1380 frames.

I go to school for animation, and In-betweens all look like that. In everything. Scour DBZ, I GUARANTEE YOU you will see FAR worse.

Hell, there are scenes in DBZ That AREN'T In-betweens that looks like absolute shit. Just ask any DBZ Veteran about the "Triangle-Man" episodes.
Seriously, watch the Son Goku Vs Majin Vegeta fight. Every episode of it was animated beautifully until the very last one (The one where Boo is freed and Vegeta knocks Son out)
Suddenly, Even the KEYFRAMES Looked like absolute shit.

Seriously, This is a Keyframe! (As in the frames you're SUPPOSED to be able to see)
Vegeta, what the fuck happened to your hair?
Wow, that is SOME Detail on Son's shirt.
Part of Bobbidi's magic must have been to make Vegeta's hair horrifyingly big.
and you can't even blame all of those on the whole "that was 1993" thing, since... well, that stuff is just plain BLATANTLY bad even by those standards.

So seriously, we get it, you can take Frame-by-frame grabs from Kai and find some wonky inbetweens. Whoo hoo.

Cut. It. Out.

[dan2026]

Animation is just that. ANIMATION! It's Moving pictures. You're not supposed to look at every frame one at a time, you're supposed to watch all of the frames as they move together. Anime is played at 23-30 Frames a second. That means, for every Minute of video, there are 1380 frames.

I go to school for animation, and In-betweens all look like that. In everything. Scour DBZ, I GUARANTEE YOU you will see FAR worse.

Thank you.
You've explained it more eloquently than I ever could.

[worldmonsters]

Animation is just that. ANIMATION! It's Moving pictures. You're not supposed to look at every frame one at a time, you're supposed to watch all of the frames as they move together. Anime is played at 23-30 Frames a second. That means, for every Minute of video, there are 1380 frames.

Shouldn't that be... 24 frames a second? Like 1440 frames per minute?
As far as I've learned animation is done at 24 frames a second cause you can divide it by 12, 8, 6, 4, 3, and 2. You can't divide 23 by anything :S

The entire rest of your argument is completely sound though :p

[DemonRin]

Animation is just that. ANIMATION! It's Moving pictures. You're not supposed to look at every frame one at a time, you're supposed to watch all of the frames as they move together. Anime is played at 23-30 Frames a second. That means, for every Minute of video, there are 1380 frames.

Shouldn't that be... 24 frames a second? Like 1440 frames per minute?
As far as I've learned animation is done at 24 frames a second cause you can divide it by 12, 8, 6, 4, 3, and 2. You can't divide 23 by anything :S

The entire rest of your argument is completely sound though :p

Sometimes, depending on the playback device, even though it's animated at 24 FPS, it's played back at 23 and some change (IE: 23.453 or something)

It happens when encoding the animation certain ways, like Youtube for example.

I just threw "23" in there as the lowest possible point, and used it for my math basically saying "Even by the lowest number possible, there are still 1380 frames".

[Wasted Wisher]

Personally, I would have liked it if the entire series had been redone with new animation as well. Not to mention more effort put into making it even more like the manga, like giving Piccolo his old four-fingers-per hand design back, or re-doing scenes which were changed from the manga.
Even though the old animation is being re-drawn and traced over in Stylos, it's still a bit of work, especially in scenes where there are lots of explosions and tons of debris flying around. And that would have been one of the biggest concerns in making all-new animation for Kai. As talented as some of the current key animators are in the home studio in Japan, I doubt there are any of them around anymore who have the patience to draw that much property damage with the same level of intensity and detail, unlike in the old days when DB and DBZ first aired.

[JulieYBM]

Personally, I would have liked it if the entire series had been redone with new animation as well. Not to mention more effort put into making it even more like the manga, like giving Piccolo his old four-fingers-per hand design back, or re-doing scenes which were changed from the manga.
Even though the old animation is being re-drawn and traced over in Stylos, it's still a bit of work, especially in scenes where there are lots of explosions and tons of debris flying around. And that would have been one of the biggest concerns in making all-new animation for Kai. As talented as some of the current key animators are in the home studio in Japan, I doubt there are any of them around anymore who have the patience to draw that much property damage with the same level of intensity and detail, unlike in the old days when DB and DBZ first aired.

Oh snap, and he lives! Nice to see you around again!

That's kind of disheartening news. You'd think with digital technology creating such detail wouldn't be too impossible, but I suppose at Toei's wages (instead of the levels a studio like Sunrise might reach for) it'd be pretty hard to secure a team up to the challenge, espicially on a regular basis.

[Wasted Wisher]

Thanks, YBM.
And yes, it is kind of disheartening...such as it is, I guess there's only so much talent that can be spread out. Toei has been known for its hit-and-miss quality, as one of my co-workers tends to lament. Art and animation quality tends to swing from the awesome to the awful.