Scenes in Kai you feel have been done better musically

[Taku128]

Found another song, I think there are still a few left though. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWvkpjvu8q4#t=1m14s

edit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0nsJghFqlI#t=1m00s

[MR.Mark]

Eh, the background beat is the same, but it's not a complete rip-off.

Yeah, it's just a near complete rip-off.

[Taku128]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gMnHhqPKEo#t=2m38s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gMnHhqPKEo#t=5m25s

These aren't as blatant as the others, so I could maybe let them slide.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYPZR8dHpSA

That one on the other hand is completely obvious right off the bat. The same beat comes up later in the song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYPZR8dHpSA#t=3m05s

And with this last one we have our final case of plagiarism, unless I missed one which is entirely possible.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFCEii1yIls#t=2m25s

And all of these songs were just from one album! Their second album had been released for about a year at the time of BPU's TV debut, although only one of the original members was still a part of Propaganda at that point. I don't know if Yamamoto plagiarized any of the songs on the second album.

[penguintruth]

Yeah, I guess I can hear it now.

But it's still a pretty good track, rip-off or not. I guess it's just a good rearrangement.

And it's still better than what he did for that scene in Kai.

[MR.Mark]

I still have nostalgia for Battle point unlimited and love it's use in Z. However it's far to dated for Kai's score, plus the fact that it wouldn't flow with the faster pace of Kai. They'd have to use a remix or something.

[Taku128]

Yeah, I guess I can hear it now.

But it's still a pretty good track, rip-off or not. I guess it's just a good rearrangement.

And it's still better than what he did for that scene in Kai.

I like it too, I just don't think anyone can say Yamamoto wrote a better song for that scene in Z because he didn't actually write that one...

[Kai_fan]

Only a couple times have I felt that the Z score fit a scene better than the Kai score.

Honestly, I prefer the Kai score in general.

I love the Kikuchi score, but more as an old and dear friend. However, it is often too melodically simplistic/circular and almost childish. While it's quirky and unique and anything but generic, some of the "quirks" aren't the greatest things in the world. The rubber band twanging (and you know exactly what I'm talking about) in particular is silly, and that and other sound-effect like effects, and the occasional frenetic/heavily synthesized/just plain weird tracks make the Kikuchi score hard to take seriously a lot of the time. Again, I love it, but the Kikuchi score's style and feel fit Dragon Ball much better than DBZ.

The Kai score, while far more generic than the Z score, and somewhat more repetitive, is nonetheless much more grand, "adult", and emotionally resonant. It plays bigger, more majestic. The Z score sounds like an old kung fu film; the Kai score sounds like a Hollywood epic (one from a couple of decades ago, when Hollywood movies actually had memorable scores).

Only a couple of pieces of music from Z really twinge my emotions and make my spine tingle (the piece from Tree of Might with the chorus being my favorite), but the Kai score has almost brought tears to my eyes several times.

And my God does this score make the dub in particular sound so, so good...

[penguintruth]

The Kai score, while far more generic than the Z score, and somewhat more repetitive, is nonetheless much more grand, "adult", and emotionally resonant. It plays bigger, more majestic. The Z score sounds like an old kung fu film; the Kai score sounds like a Hollywood epic (one from a couple of decades ago, when Hollywood movies actually had memorable scores).

Only a couple of pieces of music from Z really twinge my emotions and make my spine tingle (the piece from Tree of Might with the chorus being my favorite), but the Kai score has almost brought tears to my eyes several times.

I very much disagree.

Kai's soundtrack is so limited, so restrained, and lacks any grandness. Z's is big, like a force of nature, and takes hold of nearly every scene, certainly all the biggest scenes, like Goku's battle with Vegeta. It makes everything seem like a great big epic tale, some great legend, instead of some video game cut scene (like parts of Yamamoto's score) or late 90s action movie or wrestling event (like the Faulconer score).

I've found Kikuchi's score to be consistently stirring. Yamamoto's tracks may fit at times, but they never really pop, never really explode into something that the scene cannot do without. It feels like Yamamoto is afraid to step out of Kikuchi's shadow.

[MR.Mark]

I prefer Kikuchi's score too, but not by such a large margin. I guess you could say it was grander, but with the pace of Z, I guess it's easy to come off that way.

Both scores have they're ups and downs, but I've shown many examples where the Kai score most certainly fared better.

I must say as a recent example, I'm enjoying the "cyborg" music in Kai. When #19 & #20 first made the scene and terrorized the locals, it definitely enhanced there menace compared to Z.

[Kai_fan]

It's very possible that my feelings are what they are mainly because Kai's score is new to me, whereas the Z score is so old and familiar and I've heard it so many times that I take it for granted.

And the mono really doesn't allow the Z score to come to as life in the same way the Kai score is allowed to...

Weird how some people feel that the Kai score is bigger and grander than Z, while others feel the exact opposite.

[MR.Mark]

I do agree with your point about Kikuchi's score fitting a little better for the earlier part of the series. Same name for the manga or not, there's no denying the feel of the story changed significantly around the time Toei slapped the Z on (the Z was even Toriyama's idea).

It did come off as rather lazy and distracting at times when, despite watching Z, which has a new theme etc. We would still hear instrumentals of Makafushigi Adventure here and there.

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

Only a couple times have I felt that the Z score fit a scene better than the Kai score.

Honestly, I prefer the Kai score in general.

I love the Kikuchi score, but more as an old and dear friend. However, it is often too melodically simplistic/circular and almost childish. While it's quirky and unique and anything but generic, some of the "quirks" aren't the greatest things in the world. The rubber band twanging (and you know exactly what I'm talking about) in particular is silly, and that and other sound-effect like effects, and the occasional frenetic/heavily synthesized/just plain weird tracks make the Kikuchi score hard to take seriously a lot of the time. Again, I love it, but the Kikuchi score's style and feel fit Dragon Ball much better than DBZ.

The Kai score, while far more generic than the Z score, and somewhat more repetitive, is nonetheless much more grand, "adult", and emotionally resonant. It plays bigger, more majestic. The Z score sounds like an old kung fu film; the Kai score sounds like a Hollywood epic (one from a couple of decades ago, when Hollywood movies actually had memorable scores).

Only a couple of pieces of music from Z really twinge my emotions and make my spine tingle (the piece from Tree of Might with the chorus being my favorite), but the Kai score has almost brought tears to my eyes several times.

And my God does this score make the dub in particular sound so, so good...

I can see where you're coming from, but I have to say that I honestly prefer Kikuchi's score. It has a more grand, epic tone and feel to it (especially in the movies, where his score really shines). Although I do have to give credit to Yamamoto's score for using a wide variety of instruments, unlike Kikuchi's score.

[Puto]

A scene where Kai's version was musically better than the Z version? Ginyû Special Corps' arrival.

[DragonBoxZTheMovies]

Definitley Goku's arrival on Earth. I haven't seen the 'Z' Version of that scene in a while but I really enjoyed the 'Kai' version. Here's the music piece that played in that scene:
The Braveheart Challenges the Strong:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gs0WghAb3Yo

Don't kill me but I also quite like how they handled the 'Super Saiyan Transformation Scene'.
The piece used was 'A Moment For Shuddering':
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsb_8O-a ... re=related
Even if it was overused I thought the piece was well suited for the scene and was a bit better than the way it was done in 'Z'.

[MR.Mark]

Definitley Goku's arrival on Earth. I haven't seen the 'Z' Version of that scene in a while but I really enjoyed the 'Kai' version. Here's the music piece that played in that scene:
The Braveheart Challenges the Strong:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gs0WghAb3Yo

I was going to bring this up too, fully agreed. It worked way better for the situation than the happy jingle of cha-la that Z used.

Don't kill me but I also quite like how they handled the 'Super Saiyan Transformation Scene'.
The piece used was 'A Moment For Shuddering':
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsb_8O-a ... re=related
Even if it was overused I thought the piece was well suited for the scene and was a bit better than the way it was done in 'Z'.

I'm gonna actually have to disagree here, as the particular piece used in Z, even as often as it was, is a more intense piece that fit better IMO. Though I do appreciate Kai's version not pitching Nozawa down as severely and the mouth flaps matching, something Kai does a lot better than Z. In the end I still would of prefer them to use super dragon soul further giving the Kai SSJ scene a fresher exciting take over Z.

[Kendamu]

There are a lot of scenes where I've liked Z better or Kai better or have liked both equally in terms of music. I can think of two in Kai that I like better off the top of my head, though.

The first scene sticks out in my mind as being better with Kai's music would be when Goku gets the senzu bean at the hospital and the Dragon Soul instrumental kicks in while he explains what he's off to do. It makes the whole thing seem very exciting. Before, it was just like, "Cool. Goku's back." In Kai it feels more like, "Awesome! Goku's back!!"

The other, which should be obvious, is the Ginyu Tokusentai entrance on top of Freeza's ship. I shouldn't have to explain to you why that's so funny and awesome.

Everything else I can think of comes off as equal (Goku's entrance to the Nappa/Vegeta fight, Goku's 20xKaioken Kamehameha against Freeza, etc.) or Z comes off as better (Vegeta vs. Reacoom, Goku arriving on Namek, etc.).