Question about this scan

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Re: Question about this scan

Post by Herms » Mon Jul 26, 2010 12:34 pm

Senzu_Bean wrote:I'm not going to stop assuming something because of a fake scan. :roll:
There's not even so much as a fake scan, just a rumor. The scan this thread is about doesn't say anything about kiri, at least not in the visible portions.
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Re: Question about this scan

Post by Senzu_Bean » Mon Jul 26, 2010 3:57 pm

Herms wrote:
Senzu_Bean wrote:I'm not going to stop assuming something because of a fake scan. :roll:
There's not even so much as a fake scan, just a rumor. The scan this thread is about doesn't say anything about kiri, at least not in the visible portions.
You're correct. My response was too over the top and for that my apologies.

Anyway, I did a quick search on fan-made battle powers lists and I honestly didn't found one that matches this list. Super Saiyan Vegeta being 200,000,000 is pretty common but that is about it. There are actually a few battle powers in it that are quite surprising.

Do you mind translate what those big symbols means, Herms?

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Re: Question about this scan

Post by sj1million » Mon Jul 26, 2010 4:48 pm

Kaboom wrote:Ah, makes sense that the image would come from the horrendous DB Wikia. We could probably safely dismiss it as malarkey now, then. It's certainly from nothing trustworthy or official. I'm still curious though, and have to raise an eyebrow that whoever crafted it omitted the bottom line.
Herms wrote: Nope, never seen it. It's not from any of the official guidebooks (daizenshuu, Landmark/Forever, GT Perfect Files, Densetsu books, SEGs, etc), that's for sure. The DB wikia says it's from "a magazine", but that's not terribly helpful. What magazine, and when did it come out? That's fairly important info, and you shouldn't trust them if they can't provide it.

Truth, be told, I have actually heard rumors of there having been an issue of V-Jump that had a section on converting kiri readings into Freeza-style battle powers. Olivier Hague mentioned it some time ago, and according to him the conversation was 1 kiri = 50,000 BP. If you do the math, this puts Super Saiyan Goku in the Boo arc as equal to Super Saiyan Goku on Namek (50,000 x 3,000 = 150,000,000). Anyway, I never could manage to find any other mention of this V-Jump issue. Maybe this scan is of it, but I doubt it. The paper quality and lack of color don't resemble a V-Jump page.
Alright, I see.

Thanks you guys.

I just wanted to know where that picture came from is all.

The scan shows Android-arc Super Saiyan Vegeta's power level to be only 200,000,000 which is rather odd, because the power levels from one of the Perfect Files book shows Vegeta with a power level of 350,000,000 (I don't actually have the book, just the numbers). Since the scan is confirmed to be unofficial, it's reasonable enough that it's a fake.

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Re: Question about this scan

Post by Herms » Mon Jul 26, 2010 4:49 pm

Anyway, I did a quick search on fan-made battle powers list and I honestly didn't found one that matches this list. Super Saiyan Vegeta being 200,000,000 is pretty common but that is about it.
I'm not too surprised. He's supposed to be stronger than Super Saiyan Goku, and 200 million is the closest big round number to 150 million that meets that criteria.
There are actually a few battle powers in it that are quite surprising.
On the scan this thread is about? Which ones? Because mostly it seems to be a compilation of BPs given in the series, Jump, or the daizenshuu. What few ones are new are mostly either illegible or cut off. I still don't think it's from anything official, but most of the scan seems pretty accurate as far as official BPs go.
Do you mind translate what those big symbols means, Herms?
The area with the big picture-less box in the upper left is meant as a sample. It’s labeled:

Picture
Battle power
Character name

All the boxes on the page follow this layout. Aside from the big writing here, and the diagonal writing, all the text on the page is either battle power numbers of character names, sometimes with additional clarification for the time period/character form (ie “Chi Chi, 23rd Tenkaichi Budoukai”, “Son Gohan, versus Raditz”, or “Son Goku, Super Saiyan”).

The diagonal writing in the big picture-less box says: “ ‘s battle power chart” (no sentou-ryoku hyou), so I’d assume there was originally more to the left (maybe a left-hand page) that completes that fragment. Either that or, due to the fact that the diagonal writing is directly under the word “Picture”, maybe it’s supposed to read “Picture’s battle power chart”, although that doesn’t really make sense, and the font for the “ ‘s battle power chart” part is slightly different, so I don’t think it’s supposed to go with “Picture”.

The diagonal writing by Super Saiyan Goku just says “The Legendary Super Saiyan!!!”
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Re: Question about this scan

Post by Senzu_Bean » Mon Jul 26, 2010 4:53 pm

Thanks!
Herms wrote:On the scan this thread is about? Which ones? Because mostly it seems to be a compilation of BPs given in the series, Jump, or the daizenshuu.
King Cold's battle power, for example. If I'm not mistaken he is at 6,000,000 which I never seen nobody put him. Or Kami's battle power being actually Shen's. But that isn't say much though. The thing too is most values are exactly those found on Kanzentai site. If this is fake then it is a pretty recent fake.

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Re: Question about this scan

Post by Herms » Mon Jul 26, 2010 5:00 pm

sj1million wrote:The scan shows Android-arc Super Saiyan Vegeta's power level to be only 200,000,000 which is rather odd, because the power levels from one of the Perfect Files book shows Vegeta with a power level of 350,000,000 (I don't actually have the book, just the numbers).
I actually own both volumes of the GT Perfect Files and I can assure you that they show no such thing. There aren't any power levels given in those books. Are there fans claiming that there are?
Since the scan is confirmed to be unofficial, it's reasonable enough that it's a fake.
Well, I'm 99.9% sure the scan is unofficial, but I'm not sure I'd call it "fake". I mean, it's not like there's anything in the scan itself that claims it comes from Toriyama/Shueisha/Toei/etc. It could just be something a fan made for themselves, which some later person stumbled upon and assumed it was from some official book or magazine. Back on the My Favorite Games forum there was a member who made something similar to that for Yu Yu Hakusho, modeling it after the battle power chart in Daizenshuu 7, and it looked good enough that someone who saw the images and didn't know what they were might have assumed they were from Viz or something. But the person who made them certainly had no intention of fooling people, he just wanted to make a Yu Yu Hakusho battle power list that looked nice. Maybe this scan is a result of a Japanese fan doing the same thing.
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Re: Question about this scan

Post by Dayspring » Mon Jul 26, 2010 6:27 pm

Senzu_Bean wrote:King Cold's battle power, for example. If I'm not mistaken he is at 6,000,000 which I never seen nobody put him.
60,000,000 is the Goku (kaioken x20) next to him. Cold is stated to be either 10,000,000 or 70,000,000 in the scan.

But yeah, it's fake. SSJ Goku's hair overlaps onto the writing for Jeece, SSJ3 Goku's hair does the same to the writing for SSJ Trunks, and Piccolo Daimao's BP is recorded as being one of the dragonballs. :P Meanwhile Gohan's first appearance is 3,500, while Cyborg Tao Pai Pai and the Namek warrior have 210 and 3,000 before kanji.
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