The power of Mr.Satan

[LeprikanGT]

An important thing to keep in mind when tossing around terms like "average human" and "superhuman" is what that means, and to which context you're applying. Do you mean a real-life average human? Or do you mean an average human in the Dragon World? And if you mean an average human in the Dragon World, do you mean pre-Namek or post-Namek, because what a "normal human (or normal martial artist at least)" can do shifted greatly from the early part of the series to Mr. Satan's era.

And "racist black fighter"? You mean Killa? What the hell was racist about him? He was just... a black guy. I never thought of him as having enough of a personality or importance to give across any kind of message whatsoever.

I was half kidding, but the "killa" part and the over drawn lips would be a starting off point. Aside from the Z-fighters and Villians, Mr. Satan was the strongest one at that tournament. Plus he took a punch square in the jaw from trunks and went head first into a brick wall and was able to jump back up and act like it was nothing.

[Dayspring]

He's quite strong for normal human standards, but I don't think he necessarily compares to Namu or King Chapa or any of the other older Tenkaichi Budokai contestants. They both gave Goku a run for his money at a time when he was more or less comparable to Kame Sennin, who we know is far better than Mr. Satan.

I agree. It's not fair to call him weak just because Namu, Chapa and Pamputt are ridiculously strong. Punter, Kiera, Jewel, Mighty Mask and Spopovitch (pre-Majin) were all budokai finalists at the 24th. He beat them. Those who pass the prelims are among Earth's elite. That's why the Budokai is the tournament to attend. The fact that he won the 24th Budokai tells us he's the strongest amongst Earth's elite, or even the weakest among Earth's super-elite.

[LeprikanGT]

He's quite strong for normal human standards, but I don't think he necessarily compares to Namu or King Chapa or any of the other older Tenkaichi Budokai contestants. They both gave Goku a run for his money at a time when he was more or less comparable to Kame Sennin, who we know is far better than Mr. Satan.

I agree. It's not fair to call him weak just because Namu, Chapa and Pamputt are ridiculously strong. Punter, Kiera, Jewel, Mighty Mask and Spopovitch (pre-Majin) were all budokai finalists at the 24th. He beat them. Those who pass the prelims are among Earth's elite. That's why the Budokai is the tournament to attend. The fact that he won the 24th Budokai tells us he's the strongest amongst Earth's elite, or even the weakest among Earth's super-elite.

He's the weakest of the strong, and the strongest of the weak. It's not his fault people like Nam and Chappa were too busy...or by that point possibly too old to attend the tournament. I'd atleast put Mr. Satan stronger than Yajirobe. [Puts up Flame shield]

[Savage68]

In the world of Dragon Ball, if Nam can one-shot you and/or run circles around you, you're weak. That's all there is to it. Being the strongest "average human" doesn't mean Satan would ever be considered anything special to any of the 21st Budokai warriors.

[LeprikanGT]

In the world of Dragon Ball, if Nam can one-shot you and/or run circles around you, you're weak. That's all there is to it. Being the strongest "average human" doesn't mean Satan would ever be considered anything special to any of the 21st Budokai warriors.

Not necesarily, you can be the strongest one in the tournament but also be the slowest and still lose.

If those fighters were so strong, why are they never in another tournament? Especially if they know Mr. Satan was the champion.

[Savage68]

Not necesarily, you can be the strongest one in the tournament but also be the slowest and still lose.

In this series? No, you can't. No fighter has ever compensated for their inadequate speed with strength, or vice-versa.

If those fighters were so strong, why are they never in another tournament? Especially if they know Mr. Satan was the champion.

I've no idea. That says nothing about how their strength compares to his, though.

[LeprikanGT]

Not necesarily, you can be the strongest one in the tournament but also be the slowest and still lose.

In this series? No, you can't. No fighter has ever compensated for their inadequate speed with strength, or vice-versa.

If those fighters were so strong, why are they never in another tournament? Especially if they know Mr. Satan was the champion.

I've no idea. That says nothing about how their strength compares to his, though.

In the Trunks Vs Cell fight, Trunks was stronger but Cell was faster.....so Cell won. The strongest fighter isn't always the winner.

[Bussani]

I'd atleast put Mr. Satan stronger than Yajirobe. [Puts up Flame shield]

I'm not "flaming", but I'd still like to see how anyone could back this up logically. Yajirobe was even with the Goku who almost beat Tenshinhan in the 22nd tournament; characters like Nam and Chappa would get destroyed by him.

Edit: And then he trained with God...

[Savage68]

In the Trunks Vs Cell fight, Trunks was stronger but Cell was faster.....so Cell won. The strongest fighter isn't always the winner.

I didn't really think I'd have to use the, "besides the only, VERY glaring exception to this trend" disclaimer...

[LeprikanGT]

I'd atleast put Mr. Satan stronger than Yajirobe. [Puts up Flame shield]

I'm not "flaming", but I'd still like to see how anyone could back this up logically. Yajirobe was even with the Goku who almost beat Tenshinhan in the 22nd tournament; characters like Nam and Chappa would get destroyed by him.

Edit: And then he trained with God...

Take away his sword and put him bare knuckles in a fight against Mr. Satan and my money would be on Mr. Satan. The only fighting I've ever seen him do was with a sword....and then he bit Krillin on the ass....and ate chips the rest of the time. And then All he did was bring senzu beans to people.

@Savage: Well it's true, you can be as strong as you want but If you can't catch you you are trying to beat, its not gonn happen. How about Piccolo and Garlic Jr.? I remember his talking about you can't sacrifise power for speed.

[Savage68]

All Mr. Satan ever did was perform feats easily imitable by real-life humans, followed by being made a fool out of. If Yajirobe's strong enough to slice up one of Piccolo's children, he's damn strong. A sword isn't some magical instrument of...magic that grants it's user exponential strength.

The Garlic Jr. arc is non-canon, too, and it only reiterates your earlier example.

[LeprikanGT]

All Mr. Satan ever did was perform feats easily imitable by real-life humans, followed by being made a fool out of. If Yajirobe's strong enough to slice up one of Piccolo's children, he's damn strong. A sword isn't some magical instrument of...magic that grants it's user exponential strength.

The Garlic Jr. arc is non-canon, too, and it only reiterates your earlier example.

Should I bring up the magicness of the Z-sword of legend? And its a sword! It's a razor sharp steel stick, it doesn't take super strength to slice someone, just non dullness. After the Saiyan saga when do you EVER see him train? you just don't magically keep your strength by eating and eating. Mr. Satan is constantly training most of the time we see him.

I think Piccolo mentions something about it in the movie as well. But that is far off of the power of Satan's power.

[Makaioshin]

Take away his sword and put him bare knuckles in a fight against Mr. Satan and my money would be on Mr. Satan.

This did not work out for King Cold.

The only fighting I've ever seen him do was with a sword....and then he bit Krillin on the ass....and ate chips the rest of the time. And then All he did was bring senzu beans to people.

Kami tells everyone that they have surpassed him so Yajirobe must have done some training and if you believe the 'official' battle powers his was at 970 in the Saiyan arc. He's trained with Karin and Kami, he should be far above Mr. Satan and even Roshi.

[Bussani]

Take away his sword and put him bare knuckles in a fight against Mr. Satan and my money would be on Mr. Satan. The only fighting I've ever seen him do was with a sword....and then he bit Krillin on the ass....and ate chips the rest of the time. And then All he did was bring senzu beans to people.

He was even with Goku using only his fists when they first met after the 22nd tournament, and Goku even commented that he'd never met anyone as tough as him before.

[LeprikanGT]

Take away his sword and put him bare knuckles in a fight against Mr. Satan and my money would be on Mr. Satan.

This did not work out for King Cold.

The only fighting I've ever seen him do was with a sword....and then he bit Krillin on the ass....and ate chips the rest of the time. And then All he did was bring senzu beans to people.

Kami tells everyone that they have surpassed him so Yajirobe must have done some training and if you believe the 'official' battle powers his was at 970 in the Saiyan arc. He's trained with Karin and Kami, he should be far above Mr. Satan and even Roshi.

Ok.... right there I have to stop. There is NO way Yajirobe is stronger than master Roshi. Yajirobe can not use ki and Roshi made it up Korrin's tower too you know. He is a MASTER of martial arts and a Martial arts champion of the world.

1. Master Roshi/Jackie Chun
2. Mr. Satan
3. Yajirobe

But again, that's off topic of Mr. Satan's strength. [kind of]

[Makaioshin]

Take away his sword and put him bare knuckles in a fight against Mr. Satan and my money would be on Mr. Satan.

This did not work out for King Cold.

The only fighting I've ever seen him do was with a sword....and then he bit Krillin on the ass....and ate chips the rest of the time. And then All he did was bring senzu beans to people.

Kami tells everyone that they have surpassed him so Yajirobe must have done some training and if you believe the 'official' battle powers his was at 970 in the Saiyan arc. He's trained with Karin and Kami, he should be far above Mr. Satan and even Roshi.

Ok.... right there I have to stop. There is NO way Yajirobe is stronger than master Roshi. Yajirobe can not use ki and Roshi made it up Korrin's tower too you know. He is a MASTER of martial arts and a Martial arts champion of the world.

He trained with Karin, yes. He did not train with Kami(or I guess I should say Mr. Popo).

[LeprikanGT]

I could maaaaaaaaybe understand the arguement of Mr. Satan and Yajirboe...]not really but for the same of a point] but I can't understand how Yajirobe would be stronger than Master Roshi.

[Savage68]

Should I bring up the magicness of the Z-sword of legend?

And the Elder Kai who's trapped inside of it? The same dude that has potential-unlocking powers (ones that the sword's legend is based on)? Shoot.

[LeprikanGT]

Anywho, if you don't train, you lose power. Yajirobe wasn't trained since before Vegeta arrived and Mr. Satan seemingly had been training constantly since before his Championship victory well into the Buu saga.

[Savage68]

I'm still not sure what any of that is supposed to prove.

"If you don't train, you lose power... If you do train, you gain power... If a tree falls and no one's around to hear it, does it make a sound...?"

What feats has Satan ever displayed to place above any incarnation of Yajirobe?