The power of Mr.Satan

[Cootie]

Exactly how strong is this guy?

How would you say he compared to real world fighters such as Rashad Evans or Brock Lesnar? How would a fight between the two go down? I am not wrong to assume that Mr.Satan would wipe the floor with them, am I? Not only was Mr.Satan very strong he also had the "basics" of fighting down according to Goku. And who knows what Goku considers the "basics" considering how much the man knows about fighting and ki usage.

How does he compare to Goku at the very beginning of Dragon Ball? Goku took gunfire from Bulmas pistol and didn't seem to really be injured by it. Satan took a bullet and it nearly killed him, but I always thought that it was due to the gun that was fired upon him had a larger caliber bullet.

[Kingdom Heartless]

Well, I don't think many real people could smash 14 tiles and survive a faceplant into a mountain, so I'd say he's at the very least stronger than the guys you listed.

[Cootie]

Well, I don't think many real people could smash 14 tiles and survive a faceplant into a mountain, so I'd say he's at the very least stronger than the guys you listed.

I doubt those 14 tiles were stronger than a few concrete slabs, and people break those all the time. I also think that the mountain faceplant was just a joke. No way he could take a slap from Cell and almost die from a high caliber gunshot. It was just a gag.

[SSJ4_Zankuto]

Mr Satan's signature tachniques called Ultra Megaton Punch could kill a person in one punch and thats the power of Mr Satan.

[Godo]

I doubt those 14 tiles were stronger than a few concrete slabs, and people break those all the time. I also think that the mountain faceplant was just a joke. No way he could take a slap from Cell and almost die from a high caliber gunshot. It was just a gag.

Sure, but not any strong man can break all 14, right?
And it's already explained that the only reason Goku could survive gunshots is because of that his body is more durable and "hard as steel".
Normal humans, even at Mr. Satans level, can die from a gunshot.

And to add, Panputt destroyed a brick wall effortlessly, and Goku was then stated to be leagues above him in terms of power.
So my guess is that compared to a normal fighter, Mr. Satan is very strong, but compared to the Elite fighters that Kuririn and Goku fought, he is small fry.
I bet that if he started some ki training, though, that he would have become much stronger.
He doesn't really have the focus and aim to become an Elite fighter, and his competition is really low.
Even the Announcer Guy mentions that the quality and skill of the fighters have dropped my a lot since Goku and Kuririn's era.

Powerlevel wise? I would say that Mr. Satan is around 8. And that's enough to kill a human in a blow.
Remember that Goku downed the Bear Thief in just one punch when he had the powerlevel of 10.
I would say that Panputt and his likes lied around maybe 35-40 in power.

[Savage68]

There are videos on YouTube with real-life humans breaking 14 tiles with one arm, or whatever. Satan is a weakling, and was never superhuman. Goku, in his first appearance, was superhuman.

[Godo]

There are videos on YouTube with real-life humans breaking 14 tiles with one arm, or whatever. Satan is a weakling, and was never superhuman. Goku, in his first appearance, was superhuman.

Jackie Chun said that Goku and Kuririn's strength was superhuman first at the 22nd Tenkaichi Budokai, if I recall correctly.

[Savage68]

A normal human could never have shrugged off a bullet to their head, or lifted up a car with one arm, or survive after having been sent flying through multiple ginormous pillars. So, Goku had always held onto superhuman strength and durability. What's "superhuman" to Roshi isn't considered "superhuman" to everyone else. I'm also positive he says something else in the original dialogue, too.

[Kaboom]

I was browsing through Kanzentai's Daizenshuu 2 translations yesterday for something else, and this is what it had to say about ol' Mark:

Mister Satan, the strongest of grapplers, has numerous techniques. Since he's good enough to win the Tenkaichi Budoukai, his techniques are effective against ordinary humans.

At a common-sense level, he probably would truly be the strongest in the world, but for Goku and co.'s intense battles he's just comedy relief. It's just that his technique's names are a little gaudy.

So yeah, among "normal humans," Mr. Satan really is hot stuff and possibly even quite worthy of the "strongest in the world" title. But throw in anyone who knows how to use Ki or has otherwise "broken the human limit" and he's outclassed. Take that as you will.

Personally, I think start-of-series Goku's innate Saiyan durability and natural strength is the only thing that'd let him beat Mr. Satan, since that pretty much automatically puts him above any "normal human."

[Savage68]

You don't think Goku's skills were superior to Satan's at that point, either?

[Nazi Cola]

What do you gander Nam and thems' battle powers were? I don't mean to turn this into a thread about powa levas, but if any of those dudes were a good bit below 100, it would surely put to rest anybody that argues Mr. Satan and Videl were in the mid-hundreds or something, I'd think.

[Herms]

A far as comparing Mister Satan to real-life fighters goes, in DB Forever when Toriyama is asked how strong Satan is, he says that "I think he's pretty strong. But...I get the feeling he's not quite as strong as Bob Sapp".

[Kaboom]

You don't think Goku's skills were superior to Satan's at that point, either?

Maybe, maybe not. I don't think there's anything indicating Mr. Satan's unskilled himself, is there?

What do you gander Nam and thems' battle powers were? I don't mean to turn this into a thread about powa levas, but if any of those dudes were a good bit below 100, it would surely put to rest anybody that argues Mr. Satan and Videl were in the mid-hundreds or something, I'd think.

Well, strictly speaking, Battle Power measures Ki. You'd have to take that into consideration one way or another, as most Budokai participants don't even use it in any apparent fashion.

[Savage68]

Maybe, maybe not. I don't think there's anything indicating Mr. Satan's unskilled himself, is there?

I wouldn't ever think of Mr. Satan as being 'unskilled' (in fact, he should be very skilled)... But if Goku inherited even a fraction of his grandfather's martial arts knowledge, he's probably more skilled than Satan, who's never displayed any semblance of "beyond-the-beyond" expertise in that area.

[Perfect]

He can probably take a lot of wrestlers and "MMA" fighters. There's usually always someone better, so he's probably not the strongest. But he certainly is top tier....Not on Bruce Lee's level but...

[LeprikanGT]

I'd say if you took away all aliens and Z fighters outof the picture, Mr. Satan would be pretty strong to Earth's standards. From durablilty alone, he took a slap from Cell and some sort from Kid Buu didn't he? That along with surviving that exploding car thing and falling from who knows how high in the Bojack movie; normal humans would have died and wasn't he going up against a pile of the undead in movie 12?

Plus he's got a big ol' heart and always pulled through when it REALLY counted.

But if he let go of his odd pride and trained with Master Roshi for example, I'm sure he would be able to gain strength from the turtle shell training alone.

[Cootie]

I was browsing through Kanzentai's Daizenshuu 2 translations yesterday for something else, and this is what it had to say about ol' Mark:

Mister Satan, the strongest of grapplers, has numerous techniques. Since he's good enough to win the Tenkaichi Budoukai, his techniques are effective against ordinary humans.

At a common-sense level, he probably would truly be the strongest in the world, but for Goku and co.'s intense battles he's just comedy relief. It's just that his technique's names are a little gaudy.

So yeah, among "normal humans," Mr. Satan really is hot stuff and possibly even quite worthy of the "strongest in the world" title. But throw in anyone who knows how to use Ki or has otherwise "broken the human limit" and he's outclassed. Take that as you will.

Personally, I think start-of-series Goku's innate Saiyan durability and natural strength is the only thing that'd let him beat Mr. Satan, since that pretty much automatically puts him above any "normal human."

He beat the absolute tar out of that gunman and the gunman had some pretty good muscles on him. Mr.Satan made quick work of that guy and seemed like he could have killed him with ease. And due to the muscle structure alone I would say that the gun man is a a little stronger than an average man.

Mr.Satan is a pretty strong guy (remember when he pulled all those buses) and he has some decent fighting skills. I wonder if he could become the heavy-weight champion in the UFC...

[Cipher]

He's quite strong for normal human standards, but I don't think he necessarily compares to Namu or King Chapa or any of the other older Tenkaichi Budokai contestants. They both gave Goku a run for his money at a time when he was more or less comparable to Kame Sennin, who we know is far better than Mr. Satan.

[LeprikanGT]

I feel like we need to see Mr. Satan ACTUALLY fighting in a tournament. If he won, where were all the other fighters from previous ones? Don't you think WITHOUT Goku and then, then would be a shoe-in...yet Mr. Satan was the winner. We have no real base to compare early tourny fighters to Mr. Satan since no one was in the [Buu saga] tournament except the Z fighters, Mr. Satan, the ladies man guy and racist black fighter.

[Gaffer Tape]

An important thing to keep in mind when tossing around terms like "average human" and "superhuman" is what that means, and to which context you're applying. Do you mean a real-life average human? Or do you mean an average human in the Dragon World? And if you mean an average human in the Dragon World, do you mean pre-Namek or post-Namek, because what a "normal human (or normal martial artist at least)" can do shifted greatly from the early part of the series to Mr. Satan's era.

And "racist black fighter"? You mean Killa? What the hell was racist about him? He was just... a black guy. I never thought of him as having enough of a personality or importance to give across any kind of message whatsoever.