Giran vs. Cymbal

[dbgtFO]

Do you have a problem with people going against the non manga values, when character statements would contradict them?

Do you have problem with people going against manga values, when characters statements in the manga itself contradict them...?

Like what: Vegeta's 20,000?
If so I don't.

There's nothing wrong with questioning the battle powers.
I can question the non manga ones just as much as you can question the manga ones and that's how it is.

[Senzu_Bean]

Roshi's full power is never stated to be able to be hidden from the scouter, so I have no reason to think it is.

Uh?! What are you talking about?

It would also be ridiculous, if Toriyama didn't show they surpassed all of his power.

Again, what you're talking about?

Do you have a problem with people going against the non manga values, when character statements would contradict them?

I have a problem with people over-analyzing and making fool of themselves when they are directly replying to me.

[dbgtFO]

Roshi's full power is never stated to be able to be hidden from the scouter, so I have no reason to think it is.

Uh?! What are you talking about?

Altering one's body alters one battle power, you said it yourself. However Roshi's full power is not stated to be undetectable from the scouter, so I have no reason to think it is.

I have a problem with people over-analyzing and making fool of themselves when they are directly replying to me.

What the F?

...Yeah I'm out.

[Fox666]

Do you have a problem with people going against the non manga values, when character statements would contradict them?

Do you have problem with people going against manga values, when characters statements in the manga itself contradict them...?

Like what: Vegeta's 20,000?
If so I don't.

There's nothing wrong with questioning the battle powers.
I can question the non manga ones just as much as you can question the manga ones and that's how it is.

Like Vegeta being scared of Goku and Ginyu, but latter being a match for Freeza?

Freeza in his first form: 60,000
Or are you gonna tell me the 5 minutes nap Vegeta took multiplied his power by 10?

But of course it's not cool to argue against an stated value simply because I think I understand the series

[CatouttaHell]

All of the stated power levels for Dragonball cannot coexist with the statements from the Manga itself, simply because of Muten Roshi being at 180 (full power or not is unknown though) and Piccolo Daimao being at 260. Unless 180 is Roshi's full power and is close to double his normal power. And to be honest I consider Piccolo Daimao's statements from the Manga itself above some latter power levels that were stated outside the Manga in terms of canon, but that's just me.

[Piccolo Daimao]

I think Cymbal would defeat Giran quite easily. I think the purpose of Yajirobe's battle with Cymbal was to demonstrate how powerful Yajirobe was, since even Goku's surprised at how Yajirobe killed Cymbal. If Cymbal's just some weak guy who could even be one-shotted by Chaozu, it loses the impact of what the battle was meant to portray. I place Cymbal at being stronger than Kuririn.