Plot Holes?

[Michsi]

It looked like he regenerated from his lower body. If it was his nucleus that was needed then logically he should've discarded the previouse body and grown a new one from that.

His nucleus crawled back to his lower body, problem solved.

This is really stretching it. It's like saying Bardock could survive in space because he created an invisible ki-shield aroud
body in which he stored oxigen. Problem solved.

That AT simply forgot about it seems a lot more plausible. This is one of the few in stances where the english version actually made more sense.

[Michsi]

It looked like he regenerated from his lower body. If it was his nucleus that was needed then logically he should've discarded the previouse body and grown a new one from that.

His nucleus crawled back to his lower body, problem solved.

I think that's kinda stretching it. It's like saying Bardock could survibe in space because he created an insible ki-shiel in which he storeb oxygen. Problem solved.

That AT forgot about it seems a lot more plausible. This is one of the few instances where the english version makes more sense.

[dbgtFO]

I think that's kinda stretching it.

Nah, Cell's nucleus is just that awesome! It did afterall surprise Cell with surviving the self destruction.

[Michsi]

I think that's kinda stretching it.

Nah, Cell's nucleus is just that awesome! It did afterall surprise Cell with surviving the self destruction.

You make it sound like it has a mind of it's own.....

[dbgtFO]

I think that's kinda stretching it.

Nah, Cell's nucleus is just that awesome! It did afterall surprise Cell with surviving the self destruction.

You make it sound like it has a mind of it's own.....

I assume it does.

[B]

How did the Three Star Dragon Ball, after flying off from the wish made at Pialf's castle, find it's way through a pirates' base into a sealed treasure chest during the Red Ribbon arc?

[dbgtFO]

How did the Three Star Dragon Ball, after flying off from the wish made at Pialf's castle, find it's way through a pirates' base into a sealed treasure chest during the Red Ribbon arc?

It wasn't in a sealed treasure chest, it was at the bottom of an underground waterhole(or whatever it's called).

[TripleRach]

How did the Three Star Dragon Ball, after flying off from the wish made at Pialf's castle, find it's way through a pirates' base into a sealed treasure chest during the Red Ribbon arc?

It wasn't in a sealed treasure chest, it was at the bottom of an underground waterhole(or whatever it's called).

Yep. It apparently fell through a crack in underwater rocks. But it is suspiciously convenient that a (man-made?) cave system led most of the way to it.

[JulieYBM]

Maybe the Ball--after the wish is made--is left in a state of 'pure energy' long enough for it to pass through solid objects easily so that it may hide itself in a place worthy of challenging those seeking to collect the Dragon Balls?

[Kaboom]

Maybe the Ball--after the wish is made--is left in a state of 'pure energy' long enough for it to pass through solid objects easily so that it may hide itself in a place worthy of challenging those seeking to collect the Dragon Balls?

Nah, Goku once actually jumped up and physically caught the four-star before it could get too far away.

[JulieYBM]

Maybe the Ball--after the wish is made--is left in a state of 'pure energy' long enough for it to pass through solid objects easily so that it may hide itself in a place worthy of challenging those seeking to collect the Dragon Balls?

Nah, Goku once actually jumped up and physically caught the four-star before it could get too far away.

Eh, well, maybe that affect comes once it is ready to pass through an object.

[Fox666]

I'm preeeetty sure you die instantly in space without a suit or ship.

It takes 30 seconds according to Nasa

[violadude]

Also Mr. Popo is able to summon Shen Long in the Namek Saga even though he had been summoned a few weeks prior to revive Goku. One could argue that this is due to God dying and being revived, but when The Namek Elder died and then came back and Polunga was revived, he could only grant one more wish instead of them being reset to three wishes.

That's a good point, but keep in mind that Porunga was actually active (and the Dragon Balls weren't stone yet) when the elder died, so the situations were a little different. It's possible it just works differently when reviving a summoned dragon.

And there's also the fact that in the Piccolo arc, Shen Long and the Dragon Balls were also re-usable instantly, so there is precedent for it.


...Here's another plot hole related to the Dragon Balls being reused too soon. When they're used for the first time in the Pilaf arc, it's explained that it takes a year for the Dragon Balls to become active again. But only 8 months pass between the events at Pilaf's castle and the 21st Budoukai. Gokuu starts searching for them with the Radar immediately after, and I believe the Red Ribbon Army already has one ball at that point.

Thats not really a plot hole because it doesn't necessarily say that Goku started looking for them right after the 21st Budoukai, he could have just been goofing off for a couple months until we pick up the story.

[Michsi]

Here's one that might not be one on account of me not knowing enough. I don't have the Volumes from the Frieza saga so maybe you guys can help me out by clarifying this.

The wish that brought back " all those who were killed by Frieza and his men " als brought back Guru, who if I'm not mistaken was said to be at the end of his natural life span and thought to have simply passed away due to old age. Now I read around a bit, I found that what killed him was the grief of having his children murderd so technically he had been indireclty killed by Frieza .

But I don't remember that ever being mentioned. Is this a plot hole or was it mentioned in-universe?

[Darkprince410]

It was basically mentioned when North Kaiou and Kami were coming up with their plan to revive everyone killed by Freeza with Earth's Dragonballs. Kami and the others thought that Saichorou had died from natural causes, because he was extremely old and had already pointed out multiple times that he knew his life was coming to an end, but Kaiou pointed out that it was because of the grief he suffered from his children dying that caused him to pass away. That's why Kaiou and Kami were uncertain if the wish (worded the way it was) would cover Saichorou, because while he had died as a result of Freeza's actions, it was an indrect result.

[Fox666]

Thats not really a plot hole because it doesn't necessarily say that Goku started looking for them right after the 21st Budoukai, he could have just been goofing off for a couple months until we pick up the story.

Besides, is it ever mentioned how much time it took until the Budokai?

[Michsi]

Oh, so it was adressed in-universe.

Well, thanks for clearing it up

[TripleRach]

Thats not really a plot hole because it doesn't necessarily say that Goku started looking for them right after the 21st Budoukai, he could have just been goofing off for a couple months until we pick up the story.

Besides, is it ever mentioned how much time it took until the Budokai?

Yes, the training lasted 8 months, and it's mentioned multiple times. It started the morning after Gokuu wrecked Pilaf's castle, and ended the day they went to the Budoukai.

This exact issue came up in another thread recently. If we start assuming there's a hidden, unmentioned time skips that last 4 months (or more), then where will it end?

[Herms]

The Daizenshuu 7 time line has Goku meeting Silver the day after the 21st TB. This is a pretty natural interpretation of the manga, where after the tournament Goku is shown heading off to search for the dragonballs that night, then the next chapter opens with with it being morning and Goku still on Kinto'un looking just as he did at the end of the last chapter.

I should mention that when Goku reunites with Bulma after the events of Muscle Tower, in Viz Bulma says that if she had helped Goku he would have found the 4-star ball "weeks ago", but this line isn't in the original.

I'm tempted to explain the inconsistency by saying that merely summoning a pair of panties didn't tax Shenlong's powers that much, so the dragonballs were able to revive earlier than normal. Sort of like how in the Boo arc Dende says that if they don't use up all of the wishes right then and there, then the dragonballs would revive after only a few months.

[Fox666]

Huh, it tooks early for the dragon be summoned because they only used 2 wishes, and he could grant 3. That makes complete sense for me, it should only take 1/3 of the time for him to show up again. It's a bit far-fetched say that the panties wishes took less power and compare to this.

I am not looking at a translated version of the manga here, so I could be wrong since I can't read the text. But after a quick checking, the Red Ribbon can be divided in several minor parts, and Goku travelled several different times. First when Goku flight in that robot to the snowy montains, but that doesn't seems to have taken much time. Later I see some two more important scenes, when Goku reaches Bulma's home city, and later when he left it, in both cases there are narrator boxes and stuff. Later on Goku sets off back to the Red Ribbon HQ, and there is another scene which Goku travels somewhere else and a narrator box appear, when they set off before the Uranai Baba arc. Was it mentioned how many time it passed overall? Man, it takes a lot of volumes at least since the Dragon Balls were used a last time