If Gohan and Super Perfect Cell had actually fought.

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Re: If Gohan and Super Perfect Cell had actually fought.

Post by Super Saiyan Turlast x4 » Sat May 14, 2011 4:26 pm

Gohan was more focused on running than actually fighting Majin Boo, anyway. Vegeta's outings never looked all that great in general, either.
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Re: If Gohan and Super Perfect Cell had actually fought.

Post by Rocketman » Sat May 14, 2011 4:27 pm

Michsi wrote:How was he at his worst with the Babidi upgrade and having just eaten a senzu? At that time Piccolo states he was way stronger than Gohan when he fought Cell and ge still couldn't defeat Buu.
I was making two separate statements, not leading from the first to the second. The Fat Buu reference was just finding an enemy they both fought.

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Re: If Gohan and Super Perfect Cell had actually fought.

Post by Michsi » Sat May 14, 2011 4:42 pm

Rocketman wrote: I was making two separate statements, not leading from the first to the second. The Fat Buu reference was just finding an enemy they both fought.
The difference in their performance was due to the difference in power, not strategy or battle experience. Vegeta gets a few good hits in but nothing that does everlasting damage or gives him the upper hand. I understand what you are saying, but this isn't really a fair comparison.

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Re: If Gohan and Super Perfect Cell had actually fought.

Post by SuperForteX » Sun May 15, 2011 3:09 am

Fox666 wrote:Cell lost because he got distracted by Vegeta, you can't "measure" that
I never really bought into that story. Vegeta's 'distraction' of Cell should be pretty inconsequential. In the end, Gohan won because he pushed his power up to the max, and it demolished Cell's Kamehameha.

Also how does this topic get away from Kaboom? It's a VS. topic, there's one place for topics like these; the new sticky thread.

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Re: If Gohan and Super Perfect Cell had actually fought.

Post by Kingdom Heartless » Sun May 15, 2011 3:24 am

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Fox666 wrote:Cell lost because he got distracted by Vegeta, you can't "measure" that
I never really bought into that story. Vegeta's 'distraction' of Cell should be pretty inconsequential. In the end, Gohan won because he pushed his power up to the max, and it demolished Cell's Kamehameha.

Also how does this topic get away from Kaboom? It's a VS. topic, there's one place for topics like these; the new sticky thread.

I suppose it technically is, but I hadn't really thought of it that way when making it... I saw it more of a "what if things went down differently" thread.
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Re: If Gohan and Super Perfect Cell had actually fought.

Post by Piccolo Daimao » Sun May 15, 2011 6:28 am

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Fox666 wrote:Cell is somewhat an incompetent fighter in the same sense as Vegeta, since he relies too much in power and get flabbergasted whenever his power is surpassed
And at his worst, Vegeta is a better fighter than Gohan ever was. Compare them fighting Fat Buu.
As Super Saiyan Turlast x4 said, Gohan was more focused on running than fighting Boo. And when he was about to actually attack Boo, he was instantly blasted away by Boo's energy ball. And all Vegeta did was beat up a bubblegum monster who pretty much relies on power and regeneration, but Boo never sustained any real damage and just beat up Vegeta.

And Vegeta's far more powerful than Gohan. This really isn't a fair comparison.

And Cell isn't a great strategist either, despite having the cells of Goku, Piccolo and Vegeta.

I don't know whether it's just your bias against Gohan or whatever, but my opinion still stands.
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Re: If Gohan and Super Perfect Cell had actually fought.

Post by Godo » Sun May 15, 2011 10:26 am

Piccolo Daimao wrote: And Vegeta's far more powerful than Gohan. This really isn't a fair comparison.
A good reference would be to compare Vegeta's fight after Fat Buu powered up to Gohan's before that. He was crushed as badly as Gohan was at that time.

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Re: If Gohan and Super Perfect Cell had actually fought.

Post by Rocketman » Sun May 15, 2011 1:18 pm

Piccolo Daimao wrote:Gohan was more focused on running than fighting Boo. And when he was about to actually attack Boo
By charging headfirst.

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Re: If Gohan and Super Perfect Cell had actually fought.

Post by Super Saiyan Turlast x4 » Sun May 15, 2011 2:15 pm

How is that any worse than Vegeta's Chi-blast spamming?
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Re: If Gohan and Super Perfect Cell had actually fought.

Post by Rocketman » Sun May 15, 2011 2:35 pm

Super Saiyan Turlast x4 wrote:How is that any worse than Vegeta's Chi-blast spamming?
The same way charging directly at a fortified position on open ground is worse than an artillery barrage.

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Re: If Gohan and Super Perfect Cell had actually fought.

Post by Kingdom Heartless » Sun May 15, 2011 6:18 pm

Well, Vegeta's ki spamming has gotten him into just as much trouble.

But anyway, this topic has nothing to do with Vegeta....
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Re: If Gohan and Super Perfect Cell had actually fought.

Post by CatouttaHell » Sun May 15, 2011 6:31 pm

Savage68 wrote:Has Perfect Cell?
No, but Imperfect Cell relied heavily on tactics and outsmarting the enemy. While he DID become insanely cocky after he attained his perfect form, he shouldn't have gotten dumber.
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Re: If Gohan and Super Perfect Cell had actually fought.

Post by Super Saiyan Turlast x4 » Sun May 15, 2011 8:06 pm

Kingdom Heartless wrote:But anyway, this topic has nothing to do with Vegeta....
Yeah, sorry about that. Derp.

Anyway, I still go with Gohan in this battle. I still think there's a big difference between their powers.
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Re: If Gohan and Super Perfect Cell had actually fought.

Post by Savage68 » Sun May 15, 2011 8:20 pm

CatouttaHell wrote:
Savage68 wrote:Has Perfect Cell?
No, but Imperfect Cell relied heavily on tactics and outsmarting the enemy. While he DID become insanely cocky after he attained his perfect form, he shouldn't have gotten dumber.
We saw him fight a number of people after attaining his perfect form, so there's no guesswork to be had.

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Re: If Gohan and Super Perfect Cell had actually fought.

Post by DBZ Mick » Sun May 15, 2011 11:17 pm

I'd like to think Cell, but I don't know...

He fired a blast to finish off Vegeta and it did quite a bit of damage to Gohan. After that if it wasn't for Goku helping him mentally I think he would have died (and he did give up until Goku talked to him).
It is in his character to be rude and a bit crass. He's a hick, with no formal education. That is Son Goku. That is who he is.

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Re: If Gohan and Super Perfect Cell had actually fought.

Post by Fox666 » Mon May 16, 2011 4:46 am

Well, take in account Cell simply fired an ordinary blast at Vegeta, he wasn't really putting any effort in that attack

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Re: If Gohan and Super Perfect Cell had actually fought.

Post by jackjack » Mon May 16, 2011 5:48 am

Fox666 wrote:he wasn't really putting any effort in that attack
Looks like he did to me.

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Re: If Gohan and Super Perfect Cell had actually fought.

Post by Piccolo Daimao » Mon May 16, 2011 2:38 pm

Rocketman wrote:
Piccolo Daimao wrote:Gohan was more focused on running than fighting Boo. And when he was about to actually attack Boo
By charging headfirst.
*sigh*

No, he drew his fist back to prepare for a punch, but before he could do so, he was blasted away. Why are you making shit up? Is it just enforcement for your bias against Gohan or what?

Gohan and Vegeta were beaten just as badly as each other. Gohan didn't even get a chance to fight Boo, because he was blasted away before he could do anything, and Vegeta gave Boo a beating that barely affected him and got the crap beaten out of him after Boo made that explosion.
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Re: If Gohan and Super Perfect Cell had actually fought.

Post by Super Saiyan Turlast x4 » Mon May 16, 2011 2:49 pm

jackjack wrote:
Fox666 wrote:he wasn't really putting any effort in that attack
Looks like he did to me.
I agree. Looking at it closely, he appears to be kinda pissed as he's unleashing the attack. Sure, it had no special name attached to it, but I think that attack contained enough destructive power to do the damage it did. Either way, Gohan was still not on his guard when he took it, and the damage seemed to cause more psychologically damage than physical.

This is enough to imply Cell is in a different league than before, but that's about it.
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Re: If Gohan and Super Perfect Cell had actually fought.

Post by Kid Buu » Mon May 16, 2011 10:07 pm

Savage68 wrote:Has Perfect Cell?
Well, he managed to beat Trunks by outrunning him. :lol:

And copied Vegeta and Freeza with "I'll blow up the planet before I lose!"
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