Fusion of Goten and Trunks in GT?

[Xyex]

Ah, Super Buu 2 was kicking his ass but it wasn't needed for him to transform? But, on top of that, you took what I said out of context. If you note at the begining, I said: "I think the idea" meaning it was just my thoughts/opinnions. XP

[Gamingdevil]

I think I would have to agree with Xyex, but not on the cannot part. I think he can still transform, but that it wouldn't make a difference, except maybe for increased energy consumption, since, indeed, all his powers including SSJ are already unlocked to their maximum.

[El_Diablo]

The Kaiôshin told him to transform into a Super Saiyan.

But all that happened was that his base powered up.

I think that shows that he can't transform any more

[SpaceKappa]

However, there's nothing in the series that implies that the Earth would be in danger if he did go Super Saiyan again.

A much more logical explanation would be that after he gets powered up, he doesn't need to become a Super Saiyan anymore. With all of the latent strength within him awakened, he'd simply be using up valuable Ki energy by doing so.

He CAN, it's just a waste of energy for him to do so.

[ItsAllGood]

Partially getting back on topic - The reason i believed that Gotenks should have been in GT is not necessarily that he could power up to SSJ 4, but considering the idea that he could have become a FPSSJ3 or something else almost (but not quite!) as strong as SSJ4.

Taking into account the idea that "Strength rises in accordance with age", this would mean that Z Gotenks would be far stronger in GT, even if he (they?) had not done an ounce of training during the years.

During the series, you dont exactly see most characters decreasing their levels, but they only increase, due to training or in this case, ageing of
the characters.

Fusion had been included in GT , with the inclusion of "Super Uub". What confuses me about GT is that the writers seemed to never even consider the fact that Trunks and Goten would have become more powerful during the years between Z and GT.

Therefore, assuming they did become more powerful, they would have formed a stronger fusion, hence a stronger Gotenks.

As stated previously, you could even consider Gotenks' strength during GT to be equal to that of a FPSSJ3 (if there is such a thing) or Mystic Gohan. Perhaps it may even be that they needed newer characters, and decided to show off Uub in a more starring role than "previously seen" characters?

What I'm trying to say i guess, is that GT Gotenks would not have only have been equal to Z Gotenks, but if nothing else, more of a help in GT due to his strength as Goten and Trunks grew older. Is that fair to assume?

ItsAllGood

[Kodoshin]

You do not gain in strength simply because of age, Gohan is a prime example as he lost power between the end of the Cell arc and the beginning of Majin Boo.

And as far as Trunks and Goten go, towards the end of the whole Lood mess in GT, I remember at one point Trunks regretting that he had slacked off on his training, and Goten was quite a slacker in GT as well, so I fail to see why they would have gained in power.

[Super DC]

That was in the ocean version but not in the funimation version. Funimation is stupid for changing the line the line was originally I should have been training but instead Trunks said something about helping Goku who was fighting Mutchy.

[Kodoshin]

Ah, well I was going off the Japanese version anyway.

[Chibi Mystic Gohan]

Consider this though - during the Buu saga, when Trunks and Goten were aligning their power to one another in an attempt to start the fusion training, Goku mentioned to Goten that the reason he couldn't match Trunk's power was because Trunks was older, so naturally he would be slightly stronger.

He said that because, since Trunks was older, he was stronger because he had about a year longer to train.

[Rocketman]

Partially getting back on topic - The reason i believed that Gotenks should have been in GT is not necessarily that he could power up to SSJ 4, but considering the idea that he could have become a FPSSJ3 or something else almost (but not quite!) as strong as SSJ4.

1. Gotenks can never become a Super Saiyan 4. The only ones who can are Goku, Vegeta, and Gogeta/Vegito.
2. Gotenks already is a FPSSj3, since he doesn't depower from SSj3 until his Fusion time runs out.

[Chibi Mystic Gohan]

Partially getting back on topic - The reason i believed that Gotenks should have been in GT is not necessarily that he could power up to SSJ 4, but considering the idea that he could have become a FPSSJ3 or something else almost (but not quite!) as strong as SSJ4.

1. Gotenks can never become a Super Saiyan 4. The only ones who can are Goku, Vegeta, and Gogeta/Vegito.
2. Gotenks already is a FPSSj3, since he doesn't depower from SSj3 until his Fusion time runs out.

1. Correct, Toriyama stated that the tails were recessive, so it'd be impossible, since they don't have tails.
2. Actually, his SSj3 only lasts for 5 minutes. But you're thinking of FpSSj3 like the FpSSj form; it's just the fan name for Goku's full power, that was supposed to be able to beat Kid Buu.

[VegettoEX]

You're either on-topic, or you're not.

One is welcome. The other is not.

Thanks.

[omae no kaasan]

Didn't read the thread at all but that one scene from GT is a total cock-tease. If you're going to bother suggesting the fusion JUST DO IT! Everyone else was already crazy powerful.

[Rocketman]

1. Gotenks can never become a Super Saiyan 4. The only ones who can are Goku, Vegeta, and Gogeta/Vegito.

1. Correct, Toriyama stated that the tails were recessive, so it'd be impossible, since they don't have tails.

Not just that, but it is also stated that only full-blooded Saiyans can go SSj4.