I don't mean to criticize, but why do you include the 22nd Tenka'ichi Budokai as part of the Red Ribbon Army arc? Unless this is a mistake.The Time Traveller wrote:Red Ribbon (End of the Tenkaichi Budokai and up to Goku losing to Tenshinhan)
How do you divide up the series into arcs/sagas?
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Holden Caulfield in [b][i]The Catcher in the Rye[/i][/b] wrote:I hope to hell when I do die somebody has sense enough to just dump me in the river or something. Anything except sticking me in a goddam cemetery. People coming and putting a bunch of flowers on your stomach on Sunday, and all that crap. Who wants flowers when you're dead? Nobody.
Re: How do you divide up the series into arcs/sagas?
I searched and I have no idea now. I am not sure what I was thinking the other day when I wrote this, since I used quotation marks for the "official" word I probably meant some dub. Anyway it's better if you ignore that post of mine.Herms wrote:Where's that from?
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Re: How do you divide up the series into arcs/sagas?
Pretty much the exact same as me minus the final battle portion, which I would just consider part of the Boo arc. As for GT and Dragon Ball I have always went by the same system as Kaboom. I used to go by Funimation's system but that slowly faded away over the years.spaceace998 wrote:I break Z down a little further; I go:
Saiyan (1-36)
Namek (37-75)
Freeza (76-107)
Garlic Jr (108-117)
Artificial Humans (118-137)
Cell (138-193)
Future / Afterlife Tournament (194-199)
Saiyaman / Tournament (200-219)
Boo (220-276)
Final Battle (277-291)
It's almost the same as everyone else in the end, give or take a few episodes. The plot can be broken down only so many ways.
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Re: How do you divide up the series into arcs/sagas?
Has Toei or Toriyama ever broke down the series into story arcs?
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Re: How do you divide up the series into arcs/sagas?
I wish Toriyama would. I would go by his division.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Has Toei or Toriyama ever broke down the series into story arcs?
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Re: How do you divide up the series into arcs/sagas?
You think Toriyama even cares about that stuff?PiccoloFan7289 wrote:I wish Toriyama would. I would go by his division.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Has Toei or Toriyama ever broke down the series into story arcs?
Holden Caulfield in [b][i]The Catcher in the Rye[/i][/b] wrote:I hope to hell when I do die somebody has sense enough to just dump me in the river or something. Anything except sticking me in a goddam cemetery. People coming and putting a bunch of flowers on your stomach on Sunday, and all that crap. Who wants flowers when you're dead? Nobody.
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Re: How do you divide up the series into arcs/sagas?
I believe Toei has, on their sites for the series. But not Toriyama.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Has Toei or Toriyama ever broke down the series into story arcs?
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Re: How do you divide up the series into arcs/sagas?
I've seen a lot of people mixing the Saiyan and Namek arcs together, which I really don't understand. They feature different villains and different protagonists. Not to mention, had Kuririn not brought up Piccolo's home planet, the entire story could have ended with the Vegeta fight. I don't understand mixing them together,
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Re: How do you divide up the series into arcs/sagas?
Furthermore, there's never even any hint of Freeza until Kaio's ominous comment about the roots of evil or whatever after the battle with Vegeta had concluded. Originally, Vegeta wanted immortality because he wanted an eternity of battle. It was later retconned that it was because he wanted to kill Freeza.Pokewhiz7 wrote:I've seen a lot of people mixing the Saiyan and Namek arcs together, which I really don't understand. They feature different villains and different protagonists. Not to mention, had Kuririn not brought up Piccolo's home planet, the entire story could have ended with the Vegeta fight. I don't understand mixing them together,
Holden Caulfield in [b][i]The Catcher in the Rye[/i][/b] wrote:I hope to hell when I do die somebody has sense enough to just dump me in the river or something. Anything except sticking me in a goddam cemetery. People coming and putting a bunch of flowers on your stomach on Sunday, and all that crap. Who wants flowers when you're dead? Nobody.
Re: How do you divide up the series into arcs/sagas?
He wanted immortality (or an "undying body") for the same reason Freeza wanted: live forever.
The thing about defeating Freeza was just an extra.
The thing about defeating Freeza was just an extra.
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Re: How do you divide up the series into arcs/sagas?
Yes, that's what I said. When Vegeta decides to use the DBs for immortality instead of reviving Raditz, he clearly talks about an eternity of battle. Defeating Freeza wasn't "an extra", because in the Freeza arc, once Freeza was introduced, defeating Freeza was Vegeta's main focus and priority, and he was banging on about that goal throughout the arc.Fox666 wrote:He wanted immortality (or an "undying body") for the same reason Freeza wanted: live forever.
The thing about defeating Freeza was just an extra.
It's blatantly obvious that Toriyama retconned Vegeta's motive for immortality when he came up with Freeza.
Holden Caulfield in [b][i]The Catcher in the Rye[/i][/b] wrote:I hope to hell when I do die somebody has sense enough to just dump me in the river or something. Anything except sticking me in a goddam cemetery. People coming and putting a bunch of flowers on your stomach on Sunday, and all that crap. Who wants flowers when you're dead? Nobody.
Re: How do you divide up the series into arcs/sagas?
For the part that is covered in Kai, whether it's in the original manga or the series, I tend to divide things into eras, containing seasons. To me, the end of an era could have been the end of the series itself, whereas a "simple" season end announces the next season, each season being an objective and the final episode of a season being the one announcing the next objective.
ERA 1: FREEZER
Season 1: Saiyan invasion. Objective: counter the invasions. Ends when everybody has decided to go on Namek and scream together "Namek, here we come!" in the ship after recovering the dead bodies of their friends.
Season 2: Quest for the original Dragon Balls. Objective: gather the Dragon Balls and make wishes. Ends with Freezer's anger exploding as he shows his aura after saying "let me refresh your memory". Great in Kai, where the narrator says "will Goku make it back in time for the greatest threat ever?".
Season 3: Super Saiyan of the legend. Objective: survive the greatest threat ever.
ERA 2: CELL
Season 4: Awakening of the androids. Objective: Destroy the androids. Ends when Cell has revealed his plan and escaped from Piccolo, as the hunt begin for both the bad guy and the good guys.
Season 5: Need for evolution. Objective: terminate Cell before he becomes an actual worldwide threat. Ends with Cell announcing the Cell Game on TV.
Season 6: Cell Game. Objective: final battle for the world's fate. Ends before the seven-years gap.
ERA 3: MAJIN BOO
It's not clear for me how to divide this one into three interesting seasons as well. I was counting on Kai to help me figure out a good way to divide it, cause I can't imagine the Tenkaichi Budokai being a season in itself since there's no enemy. I was thinking of ending a season with Vegeta's beautiful sacrifice, making the reader/audience believe Majin Boo was obliterated through an emotional and beautiful explosion. But then, right now, I'm in a blur as to how to divide it all.
Same goes for young pre-Kai Goku, I haven't decided how I'd like to divide it.
ERA 1: FREEZER
Season 1: Saiyan invasion. Objective: counter the invasions. Ends when everybody has decided to go on Namek and scream together "Namek, here we come!" in the ship after recovering the dead bodies of their friends.
Season 2: Quest for the original Dragon Balls. Objective: gather the Dragon Balls and make wishes. Ends with Freezer's anger exploding as he shows his aura after saying "let me refresh your memory". Great in Kai, where the narrator says "will Goku make it back in time for the greatest threat ever?".
Season 3: Super Saiyan of the legend. Objective: survive the greatest threat ever.
ERA 2: CELL
Season 4: Awakening of the androids. Objective: Destroy the androids. Ends when Cell has revealed his plan and escaped from Piccolo, as the hunt begin for both the bad guy and the good guys.
Season 5: Need for evolution. Objective: terminate Cell before he becomes an actual worldwide threat. Ends with Cell announcing the Cell Game on TV.
Season 6: Cell Game. Objective: final battle for the world's fate. Ends before the seven-years gap.
ERA 3: MAJIN BOO
It's not clear for me how to divide this one into three interesting seasons as well. I was counting on Kai to help me figure out a good way to divide it, cause I can't imagine the Tenkaichi Budokai being a season in itself since there's no enemy. I was thinking of ending a season with Vegeta's beautiful sacrifice, making the reader/audience believe Majin Boo was obliterated through an emotional and beautiful explosion. But then, right now, I'm in a blur as to how to divide it all.
Same goes for young pre-Kai Goku, I haven't decided how I'd like to divide it.
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Re: How do you divide up the series into arcs/sagas?
I divide it up by seven major arcs based around when the opening animation changes which can then be broken down into 25 smaller arcs based on the Dragon Boxes division with some minor alterations.
I. Boyhood Arc (DB 1-101)
A. Son Goku arc (DB 1-13)
B. Turtle School Training arc (DB 14-18)
C. 21st Tenkaichi Budokai arc (DB 19-28)
D. Red Ribbon Army arc (DB 29-68)
E. Uranai Baba arc (DB 69-78)
F. Goku's Solo Training arc (filler) (DB 79-83)
G. 22nd Tenkaichi Budokai arc (DB 84-101)
II. Piccolo Daimao Arc (DB 102-153)
H. Piccolo Daimao arc (DB 102-126)
I. Heavenly Training arc (filler) (DB 127-132)
J. 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai arc (DB 133-148)
K. Wedding Dress arc (filler) (DB 149-153)
III. Saiyan and Freeza Arc (DBZ 1-117; Kai 1-54)
L. Saiyan arc (DBZ 1-35; Kai 1-17)
M. Namek arc (DBZ 36-74; Kai 18-35)
N. Freeza arc (DBZ 75-107, Kai 36-54)
O. Garlic Jr. arc (filler) (DBZ 108-117)
IV. Artificial Human and Cell Arc (DBZ 118-199; Kai 55-98)
P. Artificial Human arc (DBZ 118-149; Kai 55-73)
Q. Cell arc (DBZ 150-194; Kai 74-98)
R. Anoyoichi Budokai arc (filler) (DBZ 195-199)
V. Majin Boo Arc (DBZ 200-291; Kai n/a
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S. High School arc (DBZ 200-209)
T. 25th Tenkaichi Budokai arc (DBZ 210-219)
U. Majin Boo arc (DBZ 220-291)
VI. Black Star Dragon Ball Arc (DBGT 1-41)
V. Black Star Dragon Ball arc (DBGT 1-26)
W. Baby arc (DBGT 27-41)
VII. Broken Dragon Ball Arc (DBGT 42-64)
X. Super No. 17 arc (DBGT 42-47)
Y. Evil Dragons arc (DBGT 48-64)
I. Boyhood Arc (DB 1-101)
A. Son Goku arc (DB 1-13)
B. Turtle School Training arc (DB 14-18)
C. 21st Tenkaichi Budokai arc (DB 19-28)
D. Red Ribbon Army arc (DB 29-68)
E. Uranai Baba arc (DB 69-78)
F. Goku's Solo Training arc (filler) (DB 79-83)
G. 22nd Tenkaichi Budokai arc (DB 84-101)
II. Piccolo Daimao Arc (DB 102-153)
H. Piccolo Daimao arc (DB 102-126)
I. Heavenly Training arc (filler) (DB 127-132)
J. 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai arc (DB 133-148)
K. Wedding Dress arc (filler) (DB 149-153)
III. Saiyan and Freeza Arc (DBZ 1-117; Kai 1-54)
L. Saiyan arc (DBZ 1-35; Kai 1-17)
M. Namek arc (DBZ 36-74; Kai 18-35)
N. Freeza arc (DBZ 75-107, Kai 36-54)
O. Garlic Jr. arc (filler) (DBZ 108-117)
IV. Artificial Human and Cell Arc (DBZ 118-199; Kai 55-98)
P. Artificial Human arc (DBZ 118-149; Kai 55-73)
Q. Cell arc (DBZ 150-194; Kai 74-98)
R. Anoyoichi Budokai arc (filler) (DBZ 195-199)
V. Majin Boo Arc (DBZ 200-291; Kai n/a
)S. High School arc (DBZ 200-209)
T. 25th Tenkaichi Budokai arc (DBZ 210-219)
U. Majin Boo arc (DBZ 220-291)
VI. Black Star Dragon Ball Arc (DBGT 1-41)
V. Black Star Dragon Ball arc (DBGT 1-26)
W. Baby arc (DBGT 27-41)
VII. Broken Dragon Ball Arc (DBGT 42-64)
X. Super No. 17 arc (DBGT 42-47)
Y. Evil Dragons arc (DBGT 48-64)
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Goku Arc (1-28)
Red Ribbon Army Arc (29-68)
Fortuneteller Baba Arc (69-78)
Solo Training Arc (79- 83)
Tenshinhan Arc (84-101)
Piccolo Arc (102-148)
Wedding Arc (149-153)
Saiyan Arc (1-36)
Namek Arc (37-74)
Frieza Arc (75-107)
Garlic Jr. Arc (108-117)
Trunks Arc (118-125)
Android Arc (126-139)
Impefect Cell Arc (140-165)
Perfect Cell Arc (166-195)
Other World Arc (196-199)
Great Saiyaman Arc (200-219)
Majin Buu Arc (220-253)
Super Buu Arc (254-291
Black Star Dragon Ball Arc (1-40)
Super 17 Arc (41-47)
Shadow Dragon Arc (48-64)
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Red Ribbon Army Arc (29-68)
Fortuneteller Baba Arc (69-78)
Solo Training Arc (79- 83)
Tenshinhan Arc (84-101)
Piccolo Arc (102-148)
Wedding Arc (149-153)
Saiyan Arc (1-36)
Namek Arc (37-74)
Frieza Arc (75-107)
Garlic Jr. Arc (108-117)
Trunks Arc (118-125)
Android Arc (126-139)
Impefect Cell Arc (140-165)
Perfect Cell Arc (166-195)
Other World Arc (196-199)
Great Saiyaman Arc (200-219)
Majin Buu Arc (220-253)
Super Buu Arc (254-291
Black Star Dragon Ball Arc (1-40)
Super 17 Arc (41-47)
Shadow Dragon Arc (48-64)
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Re: How do you divide up the series into arcs/sagas?
Manga
-Search for the Dragon Balls (chapters 001-023)
-21st Tenka'ichi Budokai (chapters 024-054)
-Red Ribbon Army (chapters 055-112)
-22nd Tenka'ichi Budokai (chapters 113-134)
-Piccolo Daimao (chapters 135-165)
-23rd Tenka'ichi Budokai (chapters 166-194)
-Saiyan (chapters 195-241)
-Freeza (chapters 242-329)
-Cell (chapters 330-420)
-Majin Boo (chapters 421-519)
-Search for the Dragon Balls (chapters 001-023)
-21st Tenka'ichi Budokai (chapters 024-054)
-Red Ribbon Army (chapters 055-112)
-22nd Tenka'ichi Budokai (chapters 113-134)
-Piccolo Daimao (chapters 135-165)
-23rd Tenka'ichi Budokai (chapters 166-194)
-Saiyan (chapters 195-241)
-Freeza (chapters 242-329)
-Cell (chapters 330-420)
-Majin Boo (chapters 421-519)
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Holden Caulfield in [b][i]The Catcher in the Rye[/i][/b] wrote:I hope to hell when I do die somebody has sense enough to just dump me in the river or something. Anything except sticking me in a goddam cemetery. People coming and putting a bunch of flowers on your stomach on Sunday, and all that crap. Who wants flowers when you're dead? Nobody.
Re: How do you divide up the series into arcs/sagas?
Indeed. Two different ways, even... and then Shueisha has three other arc divisions.Herms wrote:I believe Toei has, on their sites for the series.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Has Toei or Toriyama ever broke down the series into story arcs?
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