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[FNF]

Look on the bright side - official proof that Broly isn't equal to Gogeta.

lol. The only ones who didn't already know that are the Youtube army who adore Broly.

I would say realistically he's in-between the Buu arc SSjin2's and Fat Buu.

inb4thisturnsintoBrolythread.

[Herms]

Gotenks is only several times stronger than Goten or Trunks? That basically means that they would have been worth while just turning SSjin and fighting Buu as that

Except that their Super Saiyan power would presumably be included as part of the power they have on their own. I mean, it even has a picture of Super Saiyan Goten and Trunks right there. It doesn't say Super Saiyan Gotenks is several times as powerful than regular Goten/Trunks, just that Gotenks is several times as powerful as Goten/Trunks, with no forms specified. The only problem with this quote if you have to nitpick is that it's meaninglessly vague.

[FNF]

It is extremely vague. I suppose it would make sense that Gotenks in his regular form is several times stronger than Goten or Trunks individually. That's the only way that could work imo.

For example;

SSjin Goten=1
SSjin Trunks=1
Base Gotenks= 5?

[Silkman3003]

Sorry for the n00b questions but

Okay, I noticed the Gogeta scan. I don't see anything wrong with it. However, a question. Going by what it states, how much stronger do you believe Omega Shenron is, compared to the Ssj4's?(goku and Vegeta). Just trying to figure out how much the gap would be between Gogeta and Omega Shenron.

But more importantly
Does it talk about other characters? Like how strong super 17 is? Anything about how strong GT Vegeta is?

Sorry. It's just that since it talks about Gogeta being over 10x stronger, I assume that it would also talk about other character strength's as well. Also, does it say anything interesting(relating to power) about Ssj4 Vegeta, Ssj4 Goku?


EDIT: Meh,I just tried checking for the 2nd question. I used google translate. I didn't really find anything about it (other than Gogeta's strength)

[FNF]

I assume Omega Shenron would be 2x-5x as strong as SSjin4 Goku or Vegeta based on that

[Kaboom]

The amusing thing about these numbers for Coola and Broly is that they're both "compatible" with the series... but not with each other. Each one would require totally different rates of power growth from Namek onward.

The number for Coola would mean Goku keeps making huge jumps, getting several times stronger, up to something like 600 million as a Super Saiyan. That's just between Namek, Trunks' appearance, and the period of the movie, to say nothing of the remainder of the 3 years' training and then the Room of Spirit and Time after that. The number for Broly is the opposite; power increases would be very slow so that by AFTER all that, you're just barely starting to approach the big "one billion" mark.

This is probably gibberish to anyone who hasn't dabbled in power levels, but an interesting observation nonetheless. The number for Super Gogeta is just borderline impossible no matter what.

[FNF]

The amusing thing about these numbers for Coola and Broly is that they're both "compatible" with the series... but not with each other. Each one would require totally different rates of power growth from Namek onward.

The number for Coola would mean Goku keeps making huge jumps, getting several times stronger, up to something like 600 million as a Super Saiyan. That's just between Namek, Trunks' appearance, and the period of the movie, to say nothing of the remainder of the 3 years' training and then the Room of Spirit and Time after that. The number for Broly is the opposite; power increases would be very slow so that by AFTER all that, you're just barely starting to approach the big "one billion" mark.

This is probably gibberish to anyone who hasn't dabbled in power levels, but an interesting observation nonetheless. The number for Super Gogeta is just borderline impossible no matter what.

Agreed. This is just another example why I appreciate the additional information given in guides faaaaaa~r more than the power levels.

[lash]

The Slug scan mentions "Kaio-Ken x100", so I'm guessing that's why it was included.

Eh?
Are they saying Goku used a 100 fold Kaioken against Slug?

[Sise-Neg]

The Cooler Battle Power is legit to me. That timeline was TOEI haxed up the ***.

[Herms]

Okay, I noticed the Gogeta scan. I don't see anything wrong with it. However, a question. Going by what it states, how much stronger do you believe Omega Shenron is, compared to the Ssj4's?(goku and Vegeta). Just trying to figure out how much the gap would be between Gogeta and Omega Shenron.

I don't know about regular Yi Xing Long ("Syn Shenron"?), but Super Yi Xing Long (Omega Shenlong) says in GT that he's over ten times as strong as his regular form, and even his regular form seemed stronger than Goku. I think that might be part of where they get Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta being "several tens of times" stronger than Super Saiyan 4 Goku from. Regular Yi Xing Long is stronger than SSj4 Goku, Super Yi Xing Long is over ten times stronger than that, and SSj4 Gogeta is a whole lot stronger than even him. Put that together and you get SSj4 Gogeta being a whole lot stronger than ten times as strong as SSj4 Goku.

[Fox666]

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[Cipher]

Hold on. Does that Slug scan actually say he's stronger than even Freeza?

That seems like a pretty preposterous claim based on the performances of two Gokus against them who were for all intents and purposes at exactly the same power.

[Herms]

Hold on. Does that Slug scan actually say he's stronger than even Freeza?

"Said to be stronger than even Freeza". Kaio does say something to that effect during the movie.

On that note, the Slug and Cold images are the only ones whose source I don't recognize.

[Fox666]

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[FNF]

Is the King Cold sketch by AT? And are those his notes which say that he is somewhat inferior to Freeza?

[Fox666]

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[FNF]

That is an animation reference, which seems to say the same as his profile in the Daizenshuu 7, that he is "somewhat inferior to Freeza".

But is the note itself by AT himself [part of the animation reference]?

And yeah I was going to question that. It does seem as if some of the information in the Daizenshuu is copy and pasted from other sources.

[JulieYBM]

That is an animation reference, which seems to say the same as his profile in the Daizenshuu 7, that he is "somewhat inferior to Freeza".

But is the note itself by AT himself [part of the animation reference]?

Does it matter?

[Saiga]

That is an animation reference, which seems to say the same as his profile in the Daizenshuu 7, that he is "somewhat inferior to Freeza".

But is the note itself by AT himself [part of the animation reference]?

Does it matter?

It matters a lot, because there is the common fan belief that Cold > Freeza and this would pretty much squash that.

[FNF]

That is an animation reference, which seems to say the same as his profile in the Daizenshuu 7, that he is "somewhat inferior to Freeza".

But is the note itself by AT himself [part of the animation reference]?

Does it matter?

What Saiga said.

Even though it is heavily implied in the manga that Freeza was the strongest in the universe prior to SSjin Goku's arrival, people still think that King Cold is at least stronger than organic Freeza if not Mecha Freeza.