Kuririn's daughter ??

Super Sonic · Post by **Super Sonic** » Wed Feb 18, 2004 5:44 pm

Did anyone notice in the last episodes of DBZ that Marron (the daughter) somehow grew a nose?

SonGohan-san · Post by **SonGohan-san** » Wed Feb 18, 2004 6:05 pm

No, I understand all that about the "loss of memory hence no name" business. That part makes perfect sense. I'm saying that I think it would have been nice if she just picked out a name or SOMEHOW been given one (even if that wasn't her prior name) just to make her seem less distant. The 18 always made her seem distant to me, not to mention it's not very creative, though phonetically, the Japanese number (can't remember exact spelling) does sound less "robotic".

As a side note, I know I may come under fire for this point but... couldn't she just use to the Dragon Balls to get her old memories back? That would have been nice.

Oh yeah...one other thing. I'm glad adolescent Maron got a nose. I don't think she would have looked too right w/o one. Kuririn pulled it off...but on girl...especially if they ever did any side shots.

Zackarotto · Post by **Zackarotto** » Wed Feb 18, 2004 6:30 pm

SonGohan-san wrote:The 18 always made her seem distant to me, not to mention it's not very creative, though phonetically, the Japanese number (can't remember exact spelling) does sound less "robotic".

I'm pretty sure that's an illusion, and you wouldn't think so if Japanese was your native language.

SonGohan-san wrote:As a side note, I know I may come under fire for this point but... couldn't she just use to the Dragon Balls to get her old memories back? That would have been nice.

That's another great fanfic idea. Are you guys writing this stuff down???

Jerseymilk · Post by **Jerseymilk** » Wed Feb 18, 2004 6:54 pm

I don't think #18 really cared either way about her name. That's just the way she was. She did have feelings, she just didn't like to show them. As far as I could tell the only people she opened up to were her husband and daughter, which I always found really sweet. One of the only scenes that touched me in GT was the scene where Super #17 killed Kuririn and #18's reaction, there's a lot of feeling and passion buried under that cold exterior.

Deus ex Machina · Post by **Deus ex Machina** » Wed Feb 18, 2004 8:28 pm

Jerseymilk wrote: One of the only scenes that touched me in GT was the scene where Super #17 killed Kuririn and #18's reaction, there's a lot of feeling and passion buried under that cold exterior.

Yes, me too...except it wasn't Super #17, just plain old #17

Jerseymilk · Post by **Jerseymilk** » Wed Feb 18, 2004 8:46 pm

Oh yes, of course he was! Silly me!

I was getting ahead in the plot there. Well, he was being controlled by Super #17 at that point anyway.

PsyLiam · Post by **PsyLiam** » Wed Feb 18, 2004 9:59 pm

No! Super #17 didn't exist at that point. It was only regular #17, and regular #17 WITH COAT. And Muu and Gero, obviously. I can't remember if it was those two controlling regular #17, or #17 WITH COAT though.

SonGohan-san · Post by **SonGohan-san** » Wed Feb 18, 2004 10:21 pm

I'm sure the GT people wouldn't know the answer to that one anyways.

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Thu Feb 19, 2004 8:12 pm

#1-16 + #19 in the are 100% artificial, though I think in the anime #8 was a human-enhanced android. #17+#18 were fraternal delinquent kidnapped twins turned android (well, technically cyborg) and #20 was Gero's brain in an android replica of his own body.

I forgot why I was saying this...

Too lazy to scan through posts to quote.

No! Super #17 didn't exist at that point. It was only regular #17, and regular #17 WITH COAT. And Muu and Gero, obviously. I can't remember if it was those two controlling regular #17, or #17 WITH COAT though

Muu controlled #17 WITH COAT, who controlled regular #17 via their similarities. So indirectly Muu controlled regular #17. (Yes I know gero was still there but he was double crossed and technically had no control as a result).

Jakez04 · Post by **Jakez04** » Sat Feb 21, 2004 12:35 pm

I personally think that Kuririns daughter is slow. She hardly speaks and is hardly seen.

Jerseymilk · Post by **Jerseymilk** » Sat Feb 21, 2004 2:32 pm

What are you talking about?! In the Buu saga, she's only around four-years-old! Later on, she's not really featured much, but she seems fine to me. In the one significant scene in GT with her parents and #17, what do you want her to say? Start talking like she's analyzing the situation and give her mum some fight tips? She just saw her father killed and then her mum is telling her to save herself, meaning that her mother is likely to be killed too. Give her a break!

Jakez04 · Post by **Jakez04** » Sat Feb 21, 2004 3:34 pm

She could of learnt to fight look at her parents. They are some earth greatest champs. But she just sits around trying to figure out 2+2. She is slower than retarted chimp trying to do Algebra 8.

Zackarotto · Post by **Zackarotto** » Sat Feb 21, 2004 3:58 pm

Although you could say that her genes would make her want to fight, it doesn't always work out that way. Besides, as long as they're human, and not Saiyan-fight-everything-that-moves genes, there's a chance she just won't care.

More likely, she would start a life of fighting when she had to grow up with parents who were constantly training. In case you haven't noticed, Kuririn and 18 don't actually train all the time. They're just strong from before.

Having a strong dad won't make you strong, it will make you win "My dad could beat up your dad" arguements.

Jakez04 · Post by **Jakez04** » Sat Feb 21, 2004 4:32 pm

Zackarotto wrote:Although you could say that her genes would make her want to fight, it doesn't always work out that way. Besides, as long as they're human, and not Saiyan-fight-everything-that-moves genes, there's a chance she just won't care.

More likely, she would start a life of fighting when she had to grow up with parents who were constantly training. In case you haven't noticed, Kuririn and 18 don't actually train all the time. They're just strong from before.

Having a strong dad won't make you strong, it will make you win "My dad could beat up your dad" arguements.

Yea true, I guess that is right. But doesn't she just looks dumb to you?

PsyLiam · Post by **PsyLiam** » Sat Feb 21, 2004 10:12 pm

Compared to Gohan when he was four, yeah. But then, most adults look dumb compared to Gohan when he was four. Including those with PhDs.

number18 · Post by **number18** » Sat Feb 21, 2004 10:33 pm

Marron...never really cared for her and I can't really understand what there is for people to make shrines of her, either. I'm not really knocking on those that have, but ...I dunno. She seems like a really boring character. I like that she isn't a fighter, that she's kind of prissy (or seems to be), as it seems to reflect on 18 that she preferred just to settle down.

And even though this has kind have been answered, I might as well throw in a bit more for clarification's sake: 18 is a cyborg, and being a cyborg means that she is human. Because she was able to bear a child, we can assume that her reproductive organs were still functional after her various cybernetic enhancements.

Concerning #20, the English translation of the Android ABC ( http://www.cyborgmemoirs.com/shrine/androidabc.jpg ) says that Gero eventually turned himself into a cyborg, becoming #20. I used to be fairly undecided on the issue of what Gero really was (cyborg or android), since the body was completely artificial and his brain was still real...but it makes sense that he would be considered a cyborg. The brain IS the core of your humanity, and if you just build a replacement body and retain your natural brain, I guess it's still technically considered an enhancement to your humanity. Actually, yeah...cause if you think about things with full-conversion borgs, their bodies are completely artificial and they retain the brain, which could also be enhanced. In fact, isn't that what Motoko Kusanagi is in GITS, a full-conversion borg? Her brain is enhanced even, but she still retains it, and the whole damn movie is supposed to be an exploration of what's left of her humanity (been a while since I watched it). Ahhh the foggy lines of humanity...but I digress.

Marron never struck me as dumb. She's a toddler in DBZ, during the tenkaichi budokai, and acts accordingly. She's a normal, human child, ya know? Compared to all the other genius halflings, though, she does seem a bit daft. Poor girl. How does she act when she's a teenager in GT?

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Sat Feb 21, 2004 11:11 pm

number18: Have you ever read Gunnm? I think you'd like it. The later volumes all circle around what humanity is since you find out the secret of Zalem is that...well, I won't spoil it for you.

PsyLiam · Post by **PsyLiam** » Sat Feb 21, 2004 11:48 pm

number18 wrote:Compared to all the other genius halflings, though, she does seem a bit daft. Poor girl. How does she act when she's a teenager in GT?

She doesn't like flying. Er, that's all I can remember. And I suspect that might have been all we got. Go GT character development!

Jerseymilk · Post by **Jerseymilk** » Sat Feb 21, 2004 11:51 pm

Yeah Kusanagi is all machine except for her brain. Have the movie on tape and watch it a lot. One of my favourites. And Gunnm is a great manga. Shame they didn't do more with the OAV's.

And hey #18, I was telling Dayspring this, Gally, the main character's seiyuu is done by Ito Miki, who did #18.

Neat coincidence that this actresss ahs voiced two different cyborgs.

number18 · Post by **number18** » Sun Feb 22, 2004 12:29 am

Heehee, yeah I knew about Ito Miki doing both their Japanese voices. I had a sort of email penpal due to my little My Favorite Artificial Humans list on my personal site, and the guy was in love with Gally as much as I was 18. I've never read it, but I really want to. I plan on buying the rereleases of Battle Angel Alita (for 10 bucks!) when they come out, and already bought the first Last Order volume, intent on reading it later when I knew more about the series.

Marron doesn't like to fly? Pfffft, that sounds ridiculous. Who wouldn't want to be able to do that? If you think about this, though, it means that she has enough fighting potential to be able to fly at all - remember all Videl had to go through to learn it? That's kinda neat, I'd say...