Death Battle! Goku VS Superman Disscussion Thread

[TonyTheTiger]

Yeah, even modern Superman is arguably capable of going faster than light. It's just that he doesn't because unlike the Flash he doesn't have the benefit of the speed force to sidestep the physics that come with such a feat. It goes along with the "don't blow shit up by mistake" mantra of his.

The longer a discussion like this goes on, the more unfair it looks to Goku who has been pretty consistently shown to be vulnerable to things like suffocation, be injured by heat/fire, and train/struggle with weight and gravity that Superman has matched at his very weakest (probably the era between Crisis on Infinite Earths -> Death of Superman). All on top of the fact that Goku just doesn't have a whole lot of variety in his offense. Superman has far more tools at his disposal even without the ass pull pre-Crisis powers.

I would like to see Goku get hit with the giant cellophane S, though.

[Bussani]

I know it varies. It might have been an Infinite Crisis change, actually.

I don't think so, since the time Superboy was weakened by the red star radiation in a Sun-Eater was back in 1967.

He's often referred to as a solar battery which would be strange terminology if he didn't retain the charge.

He is a solar battery, and he does retain the charge under normal circumstances. As far as I understand it, red star radiation somehow replaces the yellow star radiation he has stored.

Although in the case of Superboy Prime, they didn't just go through a sun. They were also completely surrounded by kryptonite. I think it's actually an example of just how powerful Superman is considering he was still able to fight under the circumstances.

Fair enough. And I agree. If he can fly through a star (and not the type that strengthens him) while surrounded by Kryptonite and still survive, it's going to take a huge force to kill him.

[DragonBoxZTheMovies]

*coughs*

*twiddles thumbs*

*smirks*

*awaits awesomeness*

And this is my very helpful post. For now.

So, um, would you happen to have any involvement in this video? Is this the "special project" that everyone's been tossing around on Twitter or am I reading into this too much?

[Insertclevername]

*coughs*

*twiddles thumbs*

*smirks*

*awaits awesomeness*

And this is my very helpful post. For now.

So, um, would you happen to have any involvement in this video? Is this the "special project" that everyone's been tossing around on Twitter or am I reading into this too much?

I'm suspecting that too....

[TonyTheTiger]

I know using All-Star Superman is cheating a bit but I just love this panel.



Z-Sword my ass.

[JulieYBM]

Yeah, that's the thing about this discussion. One Gokuu is weaker than all Superman, one Superman is stronger than all Gokuu.

Well, two or three if you count the Silver Age character and the Donner films character.

[Kaboom]

Yeah, that's the odd part about the whole 'Goku vs Superman' thing. You've got multiple incarnations of Superman with wildly varying strengths. Then you've got Goku who started out "weak" but became literally millions... or heck, even billions of times more powerful over the course of his story.

[Bussani]

I know using All-Star Superman is cheating a bit but I just love this panel.

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Z-Sword my ass.

If the Z-Sword was magically attached to the mountain, he'd lift the mountain. If the mountain was magically attached to the planet, he'd move the planet. Of course, I think silver age Superman displayed even greater strength by towing several planets through space, which should add up to far more than 200 quintillion tons (almost the mass of the Earth by itself), but as the panel says, they hadn't even found his limits from that test.

[TonyTheTiger]

Yeah, that's the thing about this discussion. One Gokuu is weaker than all Superman, one Superman is stronger than all Gokuu.

Well, two or three if you count the Silver Age character and the Donner films character.

I'm not sure there is any Goku in all of Dragon Ball (filler and all) that accomplishes something even the weakest incarnation of Superman hasn't matched. In a weird way, Krillin is probably more capable of killing Superman than Goku is if the Kienzan can honestly cut through anything, Cell filler notwithstanding. Cooler gets "killed" in the sun. Superman is always able to resist the sun's heat. Goku gets burned, gets cold, nearly dies on Namek because he can't survive in the vacuum of space, dies in an explosion, etc. He trains with weights on his limbs and weighted clothing that amount to essentially nothing for Superman, too. And Superman trained with both Batman (who knows 127 martial arts) and Wonder Woman, so he actually might even be a better fighter, too. If not, he's still no slouch in that regard. Superman is vulnerable to magic but I don't think Dragon Ball's ki attacks qualify.

Really, the only incarnation of Superman that doesn't completely dwarf Goku is the Animated Series incarnation that the creators specifically went out of their way to depower even further than he was immediately post-Crisis. And even that version snaps back to his more "standard" self later on in Justice League Unlimited, essentially admitting, in his awesome 'world of cardboard' speech, that he had been heavily holding back the whole time. The only version of Superman Goku outright trounces is the original Action Comics #1 era Superman before he could even fly.

[dario03]

They probably won't think of ki attacks as magic either since Kaioshin describes Babidi's magic as different from power so Supes should be fine there. And besides training from Bats and Wonder Woman, Superman is also trained in Kryptonian martial arts. He took down another Kryptonian with pressure points before.

[TonyTheTiger]

Yeah, he's done a lot of that kind of stuff. It's actually kind of silly looking when you see him do it.

[dario03]

Did you Google "Superman martial arts" and click on the first link? Because I saw that same pic a little while ago when I googled that to find the names of the martial arts The pressure point one is 2 posts below it

[TonyTheTiger]

You know it. I'm a generally lazy person and Google image search is a wonderful thing.

[Insertclevername]

Damn, Gokuu might get fucked up....I think it's safe to assume that there are using a more fair incarnation of Superman, the battle would be like 5 seconds otherwise.

[Kaboom]

They could have him fight Vegetto instead, but that'd be overcompensating, and just make it even more unfair in the opposite direction.

[Insertclevername]

They could have him fight Vegetto instead, but that'd be overcompensating, and just make it even more unfair in the opposite direction.

To be honest, I'd rather see that fight.

[dario03]

They could have him fight Vegetto instead, but that'd be overcompensating, and just make it even more unfair in the opposite direction.

I'd still go with Superman. Especially if they use his best showings and base everything on feats. All we know about Vegetto is hes stronger than Gohan Buu and somehow keeps fighting when hes turned into candy but yet can't stay fused when hes inside Buu.

[Herms]

I'd rather see Goku fight Monkey from Dexter's Laboratory.

[Insertclevername]

I'd rather see Goku fight Monkey from Dexter's Laboratory.

So I guess we stick Major Glory with Superman then?

[dario03]

I'd rather see Goku fight Monkey from Dexter's Laboratory.

The Monkey from Dexters lab??? But after countless experiments all testing proved negative, no enhanced abilities, no physical mutations, no nothing, it seemed he would never be anything more than a mere monkey.