Let's talk Dragonball on the PlayStation Vita...

[Xeogran]

I HIGHLY doubt Sony is not going to focus on the PS4 because the Vita exists. Neither the 3DS or the Vita is necessary(they're entertainment) but it's still a nice device. I love how everyone screams Dreamcast when a system doesn't do well it's first year. Also, in Japan I'll give you Monster Hunter but I don't feel Dragon Quest is the monster it use to be. In America, those games are hardly game changers. Anyway, that's not what I'm worried about. I just wanted to see if a Vita game would be of interested to anyone other than me. Especially one that jumps between the PS3 and Vita. But I don't get the feeling a lot of people care for one.

Did you say something? One day later after you replied to me, and look what has happened:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/news ... Fitch.html

Sony might even sell the Playstation brand if it continues.

Let's not kid ourselves, Sony and Vita are really in a bad situation.

[Taku128]

HD Collections have traditionally been split apart and released individually on the digital storefronts. It'll be interesting to see if the same holds true for the two Budokai games. If they're released then we can confirm that Namco Bandai has digital rights, and if they aren't it's another strike against them having that clearance.

The trophies for both games are listed together on the PS3 version, rather than individually like most PS3 collections. They wouldn't be able to split them apart unless they redid the trophies and that would require effort, which isn't part of Namco Bandai's usual strategy when it comes to Dragon Ball Z games.

On the subject of Vita, I doubt there'll be any DB games for it any time soon. Dragon Ball games sell poorly enough as it is, they don't need to combine that with a low install base for even worse sales.

[SparkyPantsMcGee]

My original point with the digital release wasn't due to retailers or anything. It was a "Do Namco Bandai even have the legal right to distribute Dragon Ball games digitally?" statement. Do note that Tenkaichi Tag Team came out when PSN releases of PSP titles had become incredibly common, yet it was UMD only. Not to mention what happened with the PSN release of Shin Budokai, and Shin Budokai: Another Road after distribution rights went back to Namco Bandai US. Namco Bandai has been making Dragon Ball games for 25 years at this point, and we have no clue as to how long ago these contracts were made, and the terms in them. HD Collections have traditionally been split apart and released individually on the digital storefronts. It'll be interesting to see if the same holds true for the two Budokai games. If they're released then we can confirm that Namco Bandai has digital rights, and if they aren't it's another strike against them having that clearance.

I actually do own a PlayStation Vita, and would be interested in a Dragon Ball video game provided it's an actual quality experience. It doesn't matter which hardware platform the game comes out on if ultimately the game isn't worth spending time and money playing, which has unfortunately been the case for the major games of this console generation ... Maybe the more restrictive environment of handheld gaming development would help the teams working on the games get a clearer focus on the goals they want to achieve. I did enjoy Tenkaichi Tag Team more than Raging Blast 2 for instance.

That's an interesting point and something I didn't really think about. But what about the "DLC" that came along with Raging Blast? It's not exactly a game, but I'd imagine it would effect any terms involving digital distribution rights Namco Bandai has. Wouldn't it? My fear is that their lack of digital involvements stems from them just sticking to old habits.

Did you say something? One day later after you replied to me, and look what has happened:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/news ... Fitch.html

Sony might even sell the Playstation brand if it continues.

Let's not kid ourselves, Sony and Vita are really in a bad situation.

The article does absolutely nothing at all to address anything I mentioned before, nor does it even address Sony's gaming division. Yes the entire companies credit rating went down but the predominant reasons stem from "weak economic conditions in developed markets and the strong yen." This has been true with a lot of Japanese companies and as far as business goes is nothing new. On top of all that, this rating covers Sony as a whole(cameras, phones, computers, tv, video games). In most fields, yes, Sony is being out gunned. Smart Phones have been the big technological buzz these past few years and the market is being dominated primarily by HTC, Samsung and Apple. This market has also had major effects on both their music division as well as their handheld market(for both Vita and the 3DS). The funny thing is, Sony's gaming division is probably it's strongest asset at the moment with the PS3 bringing in a reported 50 million in sales. The Play Station brand is what's basically keeping Sony going. In fact I feel like most of their recent business decisions, good or bad, have been made with the Playstation brand in mind. I don't expect the Vita will gain a whole lot of traction this Holiday but, I'm not about to throw on my tin hat and shout doom and gloom either. It just needs time to find it's footing...and a price cut.

[Super Sayian Prime]

Actually, Sony Mobile is making huge gains. Sony was the third largest smart phone manufacturer for the first part of this year behind Apple, and Samsung. Sony's (as well as industry analysts) are predicting 50 million Xperia smart phones will be sold in 2013, up from the 34 million expected this year. Their major issue is with carriers in the US. Sony Mobile's struggled to get top tier coverage, and many of their flagship products launch months after their EU/JP debut because of that.

But that's way beyond the scope of Dragon Ball video games on Vita.

In regards to the digital rights stuff, DLC wouldn't be the same as actually re-releasing the game. IIRC Nintendo also forces third parties to release their Wii U games on eShop. Maybe if Wii U ever gets a Dragon Ball video game we'd see what would happen. Eventually they'll be forced the get digital rights, but when?

[SparkyPantsMcGee]

Sounds like it's going to take pressure from Sony/MS/Nintendo. If it's a contractual thing, the industry is probably going to have to push them into a corner.

[Xeogran]

with the PS3 bringing in a reported 50 million in sales.

The PS3, not the Vita. Vita is what's making the "Gaming division" slowly die, and the fact it's not getting price cut DURING the holidays says even more. People have no interest in getting one, especially in Japan, the most important country to Sony and the one that actually doesn't create shovelware games like CoD:Declassified.

Anyways, i'll just wait for the December sales results.

[Super Sayian Prime]

It's very naive of you to think that Japanese sales are the only thing Namco Bandai looks at when green lighting video games. Dragon Ball in particular has a long storied history of having games sell more in the west than in Japan. Heck, this year's Dragon Ball video game releases weren't even released in Japan. Even then, with Vita's poor sales in the Japanese market Namco Bandai has still pledged to bring God Eater 2, AKB 1/149: Love Election, Gundam Breaker, and Super Robot Wars to the platform. Yes, many of those games are shared with other platforms but this thread didn't ask for Vita exclusives.

You also seem to want to want platform to fail, and while that's your prerogative it's not one that seems to be based on anything reasonable. You want the device to fail because some people on the internet annoy you? How ridiculous would it sound if I said I wanted the next Pokemon game to absolutely crater because you're annoying me right now? Pretty ridiculous. In reality you should want both the 3DS and Vita to succeed as each does something the other can't. 3DS has a bigger userbase, and lower development costs which would allow someone like Namco Bandai the freedom to experiment with unique and risky ideas without fear of it losing a lot of money. Vita on the other hand can replicate high fidelity visuals, provide greater network support, and perhaps more importantly has every single one of its' retail games being region free. Imagine if Vita had sold better, and it got Dragon Ball Heroes: Ultimate Mission instead of 3DS. Not only would we have a game that can handle the Arcade version's visuals with ease, we'd also not be crying over not being able to play the game due to region locks.

[Xeogran]

Even then, with Vita's poor sales in the Japanese market Namco Bandai has still pledged to bring Super Robot Wars to the platform.

What? Are we supposed to talk about dreams now? There's no single image or information of any Super Robot Wars on Vita, and you mention it?

You want the device to fail because some people on the internet annoy you? How ridiculous

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=485754

No, i want the device to fail not only due to some people on internet annoying me. The Sony executives irritate me even more.
Sony CAN insult every other company whenever they want, but I'm supposed to defend their butts? Well then, Enjoy the read. Unlike Nintendo, their employees can't admit when they did something wrong and apologize for that. That's a company not worthy of caring about. PSX-PS2 and PSP were their best era.

Imagine if Vita had sold better, and it got Dragon Ball Heroes: Ultimate Mission instead of 3DS. Not only would we have a game that can handle the Arcade version's visuals with ease, we'd also not be crying over not being able to play the game due to region locks.

So yeah, we're indeed talking about dreams now. And some people know how to "import" things from Japan.

Like i said, the Vita was unnecessary and Sony could have been keep going with the PSP, not release a console only because they knew a competition would release another one.

Anyways, my opinion about this portable won't change until Sony will open their eyes and give support into this console, and stop understeminating the competition/laughing off so much.

[VegettoEX]

Nightstar1994, you're all over the place. In the same post, you've just said that Sony should have stuck with the PSP instead of moving on to the Vita in order to compete with other hardware providers, and went right on to say that you won't give the Vita any more attention until Sony themselves give it more attention.

I can't tell if you're just not fluent in English or can't make a solid argument. You're ignoring key points presented to you, and instead keep getting hung up on a personification of a corporate entity cobbled together from various quotes.

I have no dogs in any race. Had I the time, I'm sure I and others could easily provide a laundry list of similar quotes from every single last entertainment manufacturer out there. Sony does it. Microsoft does it. Nintendo does it. Sega does it. SNK does it. AT&T does it. Verizon does it. Sprint does it. Rogers does it. NTT Docomo does it. Toyoto does it. Hyandai does it. Ford does it.

It's called "being a competitive business". If you don't showcase a bit of arrogance and confidence, you show vulnerability. It's all a big game involving profit margins and shareholder accountability. Little Goody Two-Shoes companies who prance around complimenting other organizations and looking for faults in their own operating structure, short of wonderful nonprofit organizations whose sole purpose is to make the world a better place thanks the generosity of individual philanthropists, don't tend to go on to accomplish much.

But that's enough about that...!

[Xeogran]

Nightstar1994, you're all over the placeIf you don't showcase a bit of arrogance and confidence, you show vulnerability. It's all a big game involving profit margins and shareholder accountability.

These quotes were "a bit" ?

Nightstar1994, you're all over the place. In the same post, you've just said that Sony should have stuck with the PSP instead of moving on to the Vita in order to compete with other hardware providers, and went right on to say that you won't give the Vita any more attention until Sony themselves give it more attention.

Also, what's wrong in that? If they can't get it right with the Vita, then they should have stuck in the PSP.

Why did i even say that? There still are more interesting games being released on the PSP this year.

But that's enough about that...!

But like you said, it's enough. I will stay in my expectations that there will faster be a second Dragon Ball game on 3DS announced next year, than first on Vita.

[Super Sayian Prime]

Even then, with Vita's poor sales in the Japanese market Namco Bandai has still pledged to bring Super Robot Wars to the platform.

What? Are we supposed to talk about dreams now? There's no single image or information of any Super Robot Wars on Vita, and you mention it?

It's not a dream when the producer of the series confirms that there's an entry in development for Vita. Granted, while it is a bit shakey to say it still exists given we've seen nothing from it everything Sony has hinted at in that event has turned out to, you know, exist. But fair enough, replace that with Tales of Hearts R if you must. That's a Vita game by Namco Bandai, and we've received a tonne of media on it.

You want the device to fail because some people on the internet annoy you? How ridiculous

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=485754

No, i want the device to fail not only due to some people on internet annoying me. The Sony executives irritate me even more.
Sony CAN insult every other company whenever they want, but I'm supposed to defend their butts? Well then, Enjoy the read. Unlike Nintendo, their employees can't admit when they did something wrong and apologize for that. That's a company not worthy of caring about. PSX-PS2 and PSP were their best era.

Earlier in this thread you wrote, and I quote:

"And i dislike the Vita due to it's lame fanboys. They go like "Durr Hurr it's a Sony console we get ALL the MATURE GAMES nintendo u sux" and then their CoD port failed and gets 1/10 reviews everywhere.

If not that i wouldn't have anything against that piece of hardware itself, but it's the internet making me dislike it."

You're flip flopping more than a fish freshly taken out of water. That thread on GAF was shut down because it was fanboy drivel made from marketing quotes that would only incite bad things. Marketing people are going to tell you their product rocks and that it's better than everyone else's. That's kind of their job. But if it's any consolation to you, Jack Tretton (who was quoted multiple times in that thread) had very nice things to say about the Wii U just last week.

Oh, during your "PSX-PS2 and PSP best era" stint is when a lot of those quotes came from right? Especially that 2004-Present era of the PSP...

Imagine if Vita had sold better, and it got Dragon Ball Heroes: Ultimate Mission instead of 3DS. Not only would we have a game that can handle the Arcade version's visuals with ease, we'd also not be crying over not being able to play the game due to region locks.

So yeah, we're indeed talking about dreams now. And some people know how to "import" things from Japan.

Like i said, the Vita was unnecessary and Sony could have been keep going with the PSP, not release a console only because they knew a competition would release another one.

Anyways, my opinion about this portable won't change until Sony will open their eyes and give support into this console, and stop understeminating the competition/laughing off so much.

PSP is 8 years old in three weeks. Name me a successful platform that didn't have a successor launched within eight years. You won't be able to. PSP's hardware sales were reaching saturation in Japan, and had already been done in North America for quite some time. Sony's move to new hardware wasn't some response to Nintendo, because some argue Sony launched Vita too late.

[Ryuman]

It seems there's been quite a nice sales boost for the Vita in Japan, if that's any consolation.
http://www.psxextreme.com/vita-news/245.html

[Taku128]

In reality you should want both the 3DS and Vita to succeed as each does something the other can't.

Except the Vita doesn't do anything my PS3 doesn't do unless I want to play with a gimmicky front and back touch screen. I want Vita to fail so companies put out games for systems I actually own instead. I don't think it's unreasonable for people to not want to have to pay hundreds of dollars for a system just to play a couple games on.

[dbboxkaifan]

In reality you should want both the 3DS and Vita to succeed as each does something the other can't.

Except the Vita doesn't do anything my PS3 doesn't do unless I want to play with a gimmicky front and back touch screen. I want Vita to fail so companies put out games for systems I actually own instead. I don't think it's unreasonable for people to not want to have to pay hundreds of dollars for a system just to play a couple games on.

PS Vita apparently can do Party Chat or something.

[Super Sayian Prime]

In reality you should want both the 3DS and Vita to succeed as each does something the other can't.

Except the Vita doesn't do anything my PS3 doesn't do unless I want to play with a gimmicky front and back touch screen. I want Vita to fail so companies put out games for systems I actually own instead. I don't think it's unreasonable for people to not want to have to pay hundreds of dollars for a system just to play a couple games on.

Vita is a handheld, that can be taken with you anywhere. PS3 is a console that has to stay at home. That alone should be able to separate the two platforms. Additional things like the gyroscope being 1:1 to the screen, and the touch screen further separate the experience. LittleBigPlanet has separate entries on PS3, and Vita. I've played both, and the Vita game is better because of those "gimmicks". Using the touch screen to create a level is something much easier to accomplish than using the Dual Shock, or PlayStation Move. Platformers also are a genre that suits portable play arguably more than console play now. Sony seems to be continuing this trend, because there's no way I can see Media Molecule's Tearaway ever working on PS3. Though I certainly hope you can disable the screaming section, haha.

[SparkyPantsMcGee]

It should also be worth noting that Developers haven't stopped making games for the PS3 because the Vita exist. Ironically most games are giving away the vita version if you buy the PS3 one; allowing for both cross-play and continuing your games on the go. If a Dragonball game were to be made for the Vita, that's really the direction I'd like it to go.

It seems there's been quite a nice sales boost for the Vita in Japan, if that's any consolation.
http://www.psxextreme.com/vita-news/245.html

That is actually a real nice jump within one weeks time...

[Super Sayian Prime]

Namco Bandai isn't going to give anyone anything for free.

As for those sales, Sony released two new colours in that week's reporting period.

[Ryuman]

Well, it couldn't just be colours shifting those sales.......... Right?

But yeah, I doubt Namco Bandai would ever go with the cross-play scheme. Shame, since I think that's actually an important step forward in gaming.

[SparkyPantsMcGee]

Well, it couldn't just be colours shifting those sales.......... Right?

But yeah, I doubt Namco Bandai would ever go with the cross-play scheme. Shame, since I think that's actually an important step forward in gaming.

I agree. It's something I've wanted since Online gaming became the standard. But yea, now that I think about it I don't think it's something Namco-Bandai would do right away. Especially if sales number keep dropping with each release.

[dbboxkaifan]

Dragon Ball Z: Supersonic Warriors 3 for PS Vita would be cool but I don't think I'd buy a console (portable) just for one single game.

I'm still waiting for Wii to decrease the price even more because I'm only interested on 13 games it has. Considering I own a GameCube I'll perhaps forgive Nintendo for throwing away the ability to play NGC games on Wii.