Chi Chi and Goku! How come?

[Naughty Kinto Un]

Opposites attract.

Well, Bulma needed a man, not an adult child.

Which is funny because she's a bit of an adult child herself. And she ended up with possibly the biggest adult child in the series Vegeta.

I think Goku and Bulma were both too independent and self-absorbed to have settled down on their own, much less with each other. Chi-Chi practically had to thrust marriage onto Goku. Vegeta just happened to be in Bulma's vicinity while they were both leeching off her parents. If it weren't for that accident Trunks, they probably wouldn't have much more to do with each other.

[Naughty Kinto Un]

I know Chichi isn't a bad person, and that she is doing what's best for her family. However, she is often very mean towards others even though they have done nothing seriously wrong to deserve it. That obviously implies she's not fully pure of heart. You can't tell me you never noticed that?

Can you give us an example? Off the top of my head I can't remember Chi-Chi ever acting out of malice. Her tough love may have been misguided and bull-headed at times but I don't ever recall her ever being intentionally mean to someone.

[Gokuden]

Goku X Bulma or Goku X Annin for me, Chichi is terrible...
Bulma is more level-headed, smart, HOT, and rich; who wouldn't wanna get with her?

Annin is strong, ageless, and always pretty, a little ill-tempered, but nothing like Chichi.

Those two are even worse than Chichi is. Especially Annin! I could not believe that grandpa Gohan was sticking up for her when she was acting the way she was, ignoring goku and Chichi's request to save the ox king from his burning castle.

Well, when you're a deity for thousands of years, you tend to want your way or the highway. In olden days, it was the ways of the charted rules. I can see why she didn't bend, it's her job, but she was still willing to help.

You may never have known who might have come out of the furnace.

[shreddinghead]

I know Chichi isn't a bad person, and that she is doing what's best for her family. However, she is often very mean towards others even though they have done nothing seriously wrong to deserve it. That obviously implies she's not fully pure of heart. You can't tell me you never noticed that?

Can you give us an example? Off the top of my head I can't remember Chi-Chi ever acting out of malice. Her tough love may have been misguided and bull-headed at times but I don't ever recall her ever being intentionally mean to someone.

You do make a good point. However, i see her utburst as something as a result of having genuinely a slightly negative view towards others.

[DBZAOTA482]

Goku X Bulma or Goku X Annin for me, Chichi is terrible... I hope her character dies in God vs God.
I always wanted Goku to end up with Bulma, it seems to me Future Bulma regrets not pulling him over to her side from the way she talks about him. Chichi is an overdramatic lunatic wannabe homemaker.

Bulma is more level-headed, smart, HOT, and rich; who wouldn't wanna get with her?

Annin is strong, ageless, and always pretty, a little ill-tempered, but nothing like Chichi.

Goku thought Chichi was some sort of food; he got the short stick. Goku also knows Chichi is ugly, which is why he can only pawn-off Bulma and Videl to Elder Kai.

This comment has to be a joke, it really has to be.

Oh and Goku obviously didn't want that old purple fart staring at his wife's chest. Goku may not be the perfect husband (or father for that matter) but he won't stoop so low as to show an outright lack of respect for his wife's privacy.

It's almost like ChiChi is the sensible one and Goku is a stupid twat.

They're both "stupid" actually, but the only difference is that one is actively taking responsibilities as a parent/spouse whereas the other has the maturity level of a child.

[Insertclevername]

Chi-Chi is just as much of a naive hick as Gokuu, only difference is that she is more dead set on tradition that fighting (sorta). For instance, as a kid, she dreams for Gokuu to marry her because that's what she believes she must do, marry. When she becomes a mother, she also conforms to the standard that you must raise your child to be smart/successful/nerdy and what not.

[rereboy]

Does Chi-Chi ever fly on Kinto'un in her adulthood?

I don't know if it's possible to become impure of heart, when you're heart is pure.

Every normal person is born pure. For example, I'm sure Roshin was born pure, even though he couldn't ride the Kinto'un later on. In fact, he probably could ride it when he got it, just not afterwards because he was too much of a pervert by then.

[Sin]

I always prefer Goku X Bulma in my head but I've gotten used to Chi Chi now. I think that the filler and movies expanded on their relationship and made it more understandable to me.

[DBZAOTA482]

I always prefer Goku X Bulma in my head but I've gotten used to Chi Chi now. I think that the filler and movies expanded on their relationship and made it more understandable to me.

That's why Dragon Ball filler has such a love-hate relationship along the fanbase (the Z portion in particular). It explores certain points of characterization and other aspects of the series that the manga could have dove a little deeper into (although it went a little overboard at times earlier on) while at the risk of making the plot progress at a snail's pace.

[Bussani]

I know Chichi isn't a bad person, and that she is doing what's best for her family. However, she is often very mean towards others even though they have done nothing seriously wrong to deserve it. That obviously implies she's not fully pure of heart. You can't tell me you never noticed that?

I think your definition of pure of heart is different from Dragon Ball's. Besides, most of Chichi's "mean" moments weren't present in the manga.

[Gokuden]

Goku X Bulma or Goku X Annin for me, Chichi is terrible... I hope her character dies in God vs God.
I always wanted Goku to end up with Bulma, it seems to me Future Bulma regrets not pulling him over to her side from the way she talks about him. Chichi is an overdramatic lunatic wannabe homemaker.

Bulma is more level-headed, smart, HOT, and rich; who wouldn't wanna get with her?

Annin is strong, ageless, and always pretty, a little ill-tempered, but nothing like Chichi.

Goku thought Chichi was some sort of food; he got the short stick. Goku also knows Chichi is ugly, which is why he can only pawn-off Bulma and Videl to Elder Kai.

This comment has to be a joke, it really has to be.

Oh and Goku obviously didn't want that old purple fart staring at his wife's chest. Goku may not be the perfect husband (or father for that matter) but he won't stoop so low as to show an outright lack of respect for his wife's privacy.

It's almost like ChiChi is the sensible one and Goku is a stupid twat.

They're both "stupid" actually, but the only difference is that one is actively taking responsibilities as a parent/spouse whereas the other has the maturity level of a child.

Yeah, he'd rather let the Elder Kaioshin fondle minors instead.
Lol, don't get me started, Goku is too naive to have priorities like that. He knew Chichi was too old, so he suggested prettier alternatives. If he had such a conscience he wouldn't be suggesting that Videl get naked.

[Gonstead]

Or... he simply doesn't want another Man touching his wife/fears the outrage Chi-Chi would make at such a thing, which is why he suggested alternatives.

Besides, Elder Kaioshin is still older by Bulma by such a considerable amount so it wouldn't make a difference which woman was selected to be "the one".

Elder Kaioshin never did get what he was promised either...

[Gokuden]

Or... he simply doesn't want another Man touching his wife/fears the outrage Chi-Chi would make at such a thing, which is why he suggested alternatives.

Besides, Elder Kaioshin is still older by Bulma by such a considerable amount so it wouldn't make a difference which woman was selected to be "the one".

Elder Kaioshin never did get what he was promised either...

Or, or... Chichi is too flat-chested. Why doesn't Elder Witch Kaioshin just conjure-up a hooker and call it a day. Who would've thought a god would be so perverted.

[Fox666]

Have you ever wondered how a nice and gentle guy like Goku puts up with Chi Chis constant hostile and demeaning nature? Their married and they eventually gets two children together and i just can't see how it's working out considering their personality differences. Besides, how is she able to fly with the flying nimbus, don't you need a pure heart to be its passenger?

In the manga she is a kind person, she just overreacted (or not?) about Gohan going to Namek.

The anime, on the other hand, flanderized her as someone who cares only about Gohan studies, even if it kills him.

[DBZAOTA482]

Goku X Bulma or Goku X Annin for me, Chichi is terrible... I hope her character dies in God vs God.
I always wanted Goku to end up with Bulma, it seems to me Future Bulma regrets not pulling him over to her side from the way she talks about him. Chichi is an overdramatic lunatic wannabe homemaker.

Bulma is more level-headed, smart, HOT, and rich; who wouldn't wanna get with her?

Annin is strong, ageless, and always pretty, a little ill-tempered, but nothing like Chichi.

Goku thought Chichi was some sort of food; he got the short stick. Goku also knows Chichi is ugly, which is why he can only pawn-off Bulma and Videl to Elder Kai.

This comment has to be a joke, it really has to be.

Oh and Goku obviously didn't want that old purple fart staring at his wife's chest. Goku may not be the perfect husband (or father for that matter) but he won't stoop so low as to show an outright lack of respect for his wife's privacy.

It's almost like ChiChi is the sensible one and Goku is a stupid twat.

They're both "stupid" actually, but the only difference is that one is actively taking responsibilities as a parent/spouse whereas the other has the maturity level of a child.

Yeah, he'd rather let the Elder Kaioshin fondle minors instead.
Lol, don't get me started, Goku is too naive to have priorities like that. He knew Chichi was too old, so he suggested prettier alternatives. If he had such a conscience he wouldn't be suggesting that Videl get naked.

The age of consent in Japan is 13.

Also, Goku is more clever than you think because he wouldn't have made the offer in the first place if he was that naive.*

*hint: "Memories of Gohan/The Hidden Strength!! When Gohan Was a Baby"

I know Chichi isn't a bad person, and that she is doing what's best for her family. However, she is often very mean towards others even though they have done nothing seriously wrong to deserve it. That obviously implies she's not fully pure of heart. You can't tell me you never noticed that?

I think your definition of pure of heart is different from Dragon Ball's. Besides, most of Chichi's "mean" moments weren't present in the manga.

Well, at least TOEI makes it clear she's only like that because she's looking out for her family even if they do push her a little into the extremes at times unlike with Bulma, where they made her pointlessly bitchy and superficial during the Namek/Freeza Sagas even by her already overly-bitchy and superficial standards. Every time they showed her I just wanted her to die, and that's the same way I feel about Pan in GT (nothing the understand or to sympathize with just pure bitchiness).

you do make a good point. However, i see her utburst as something as a result of having genuinely a slightly negative view towards others.

That's like calling your mother or any woman who raises their voice at you a "bitch". That's not a bad intention, anger is a natural emotion.

Besides, she'd only come off as super uber-bitchy and hostile in the FUNimation Dub for DBZ but even there it's not impossible to see where she's coming at.

[Rocketman]

In the manga she is a kind person, she just overreacted (or not?) about Gohan going to Namek.

"Hey mom! As soon as I get out of the hospital, I'm going on a space mission to bring the devil back to life! Y'know, the demon who tried to kill you and dad, then did kill dad and kidnapped me for a year where he starved and beat me? Yeah, I love him and I'll take his side against you, you bitch!"

[Gyt Kaliba]

Besides, she'd only come off as super uber-bitchy and hostile in the FUNimation Dub for DBZ but even there it's not impossible to see where she's coming at.

I dunno, it's certainly worse in the dub, but I found her just as abrasive in the Japanese version. Maybe it's just me though.

I can completely understand where Chi Chi is coming from usually. All of her anger and attitude does come from a good place - she's worried about her family, and given the dangerous situations they're in half the time, you can't really blame her for it.

My problem is that she lets that completely color her point of view, and she completely misses the big picture. 'I don't care if the Earth is destroyed, so long as Gohan does well in school!' I hate to break it to ya lady, but um...if the Earth is destroyed, he'll be dead. As will you. As will the entire freakin' school and the teachers and the classmates and all that jazz. Then where will his studying get him?

Not to mention she's not near as harsh on Goten, which is unfair to both kids. Gohan had to have the super rigid upbringing, only to watch his little brother get none of that (do we even see any indication that she wants Goten to even attend a school?), while her not cracking down on Goten could almost be seen as her not seeing any potential in him like she did his older brother.

So basically my feelings on Chi Chi are mixed as always. I feel for her, but man can she make me pull my hair out in frustration.

Oh, and on the topic of Goku with anyone else, I do kind of think Goku/Bulma could have been a cute pairing. I also wouldn't have minded seeing Goku and Suno hook up.

[Hitiro]

"Hey mom! As soon as I get out of the hospital, I'm going on a space mission to bring the devil back to life! Y'know, the demon who tried to kill you and dad, then did kill dad and kidnapped me for a year where he starved and beat me? Yeah, I love him and I'll take his side against you, you bitch!"

"Hey son! Studying is more important than going off to fight with your father to decide the fate of the world!"

[DBZAOTA482]

Besides, she'd only come off as super uber-bitchy and hostile in the FUNimation Dub for DBZ but even there it's not impossible to see where she's coming at.

I dunno, it's certainly worse in the dub, but I found her just as abrasive in the Japanese version. Maybe it's just me though

It's just you. There she's more desperate than angry. In the dub, she's almost like a self-parody. I mean, why did they make it as though she hates fighting? She used to be a martial artist herself and even trains Goten way in the future, where did they come to that conclusion? And what kind of woman marries a guy then for some reason decides she don't want her children to be anything like him, and try to blot him out of their lives? It's like the scriptwriters where smoking a doozie, and decided to give her dialogue akin to a raving harpie. Not to mention she actually seems to have a brain.

"Hey son! Studying is more important than going off to fight with your father to decide the fate of the world!

"Hey son! Fighting a bunch of Cyborgs is more important than saving the world from a mad scientist who wants to kill me especially!"

See I can take a line out of context and make Goku look just as much of a bad guy in the relationship.

[Gyt Kaliba]

It's just you. There she's more desperate than angry. In the dub, she's almost like a self-parody. I mean, why did they make it as though she hates fighting? She used to be a martial artist herself and even trains Goten way in the future, where did they come to that conclusion? And what kind of woman marries a guy then for some reason decides she don't want her children to be anything like him, and try to blot him out of their lives? It's like the scriptwriters where smoking a doozie, and decided to give her dialogue akin to a raving harpie. Not to mention she actually seems to have a brain.

I can agree that they trumped up stuff in the dub, but a lot of it is still there in the Japanese version. I find it just as odd for her to be against fighting as you do, but she certainly came off that way to me an awful lot during pretty much all of Z, prior to the Majin Boo arc and Goten. I can understand her having some problems with it now, since seeing Goku's fight with Piccolo at the tournament would pretty much have shown her that the martial arts aren't all fun and games, and it can very well end up a life or death situation...but to me, I would think that would make her want Gohan to at least know the basics, in the hopes that he could defend himself. The poor kid is related to Goku - whether he did anything himself later on in life or not, whether he had that insane power hiding in him or not, he was just bound to be in trouble because of his heritage eventually anyway (Raditz, or for a non-canon example, Garlic Jr.). I'd want the kid to learn how to defend himself at least a little if I were one of his parents in that situation.

That said, any of my thoughts I'm having to base on the anime, and even the Japanese anime flanderdized Chi Chi to some degree, right? I don't really know much of what she's like in the manga, other than that a lot of the scenes I'm thinking of probably weren't even in it.