Worst Dragonball Z Movie...ever

[Xyex]

I think he

Jerseymilk's a she.

meant the similar character traits of Janemba and Majin Buu. Janemba was fat and somewhat goofy, and his final form was extremely powerful and never spoke. Plus, their colors weren't so different, either. Purple, red, pink; what's the difference?

And ya, that's pretty much it. Janemba was just Buu redisigned. His first form was giant and yellow, the only difference it had from Buu's first form. His final form was like a silent Super Buu (who was the enemy of the time, no Kid Buu yet).

Anyway, I don't actually hate any of the movies. I've seen 1-9 and 12 and 13. They're all good in my opinion, each for it's own reason. 9 has the worst villain, there's absolutely no point to Bojack what-so-ever. As a Saga like someone else suggested he could have been good, as a movie, he was bad.

[h3ndrix2005]

Jerseymilk's a she.

LoL, sorry Jerseymilk. It's not like I can 'pat pat' in a forum, right? (excuse my lame joke)

[Conan the SSJ]

Least favorite and worst movie in my opinon? Hands down, Movie 4, as cliche as that may sound, it's true. It was just wayyy to rip-off of the Piccolo Daimaô arc and Piccolo Jr. battle. I mean I can accept and love a movie if it doesn't fit in the anime continuity (I.E. Movies 2, 3, 6, 7, 8, 10, and 12), but Movie 4 is just ... I think I'm gonna use a comment the old Dragonball Z Beckett magazine once used on this movie; Dragonball Soup. There just wasn't enough backround and character depth to Slug for my tastes, the pre-final fight battles were just too predictable and non original, and how weak they made Goku out to be for a point in which he'd supposedly done his 100X gravity training. The only saving graces that made this a likeable movie for me was the whistle music of Gohan's and the final fight between Goku and Slug after Goku went Qausi SSJ, but the ending of the battle killed my chances of loving it; I mean a Genki-dama gathered from only a little solar energy that finishes off someone as powerful as Slug just wasn't as believable a finish as Goku's Piccolo Daimaô finish, I would of prefered a Chou Kamehame-Ha at the least.

Concerning Movie 11, I didn't love it, but I really liked it comedy timing wise. Goten and Trunks' misadventures from the previous movie continue with hilarious consequences, and with Mr. Satan no less. Granted Broly's final incarnation in the movies was quite terrible to say the least, but it was still a very funny movie that made me think of chicbi Goku's crazy adventures in the original Dragonball series. The fact that Gohan wasn't there was actually understandable from my point of view, while this movie wasn't taking place in anime continuity, Gohan was still off training with the Z sword (or on death's brink after his Buu battle) at the time this feature was released and I guess Toei didn't wanna let Gohan into the action until his cliff hanging plot in the series was resolved, hence him being in Movie 12 while he was ready to fight Super Buu in the series. It was nice to at least get a cameo from Goku at the very end, though it just further enforced Toei's HUGE Goku fan-boy spirit that they have, but it was still nice to at least see him. The new animation in the credits of the infants and growing kids Goten and Trunks was clearly IMO the best addition of the movie, that alone made me almost love the movie.

[Jerseymilk]

Well considering that DBZ IS Goku's show, I don't think it was a "Goku fanboy spirit" that made them add him in at the last minute. I really don't pay much attention to whatever Beckett has to say about DBZ, because in my opinion it's an amateurish, crap magazine.

I found Mr. Satan and #18 more entertaining in movie 11 than the Goten and Trunks. I thought the kids were better and funnier in movie 10.

And h3ndrix, don't worry about it. It's not like there's any way to tell online. Xyex just wanted to correct you so everyone's clear that his fiancee is indeed female.

[Xyex]

Least favorite and worst movie in my opinon? Hands down, Movie 4, as cliche as that may sound, it's true. It was just wayyy to rip-off of the Piccolo Daimaô arc and Piccolo Jr. battle.

Nearly all the movies copied an arc to some extent and a few were more blatant rip-offs than movie 4. (Movies 5, 6, and 7 namely.)

There just wasn't enough backround and character depth to Slug for my tastes

Far more depth and background to him than, say, Bojack. Or Turles, or Dr. Willow... or Jenemba.

and how weak they made Goku out to be for a point in which he'd supposedly done his 100X gravity training.

What the hell? Um... how was he made 'weak'? That makes absolutely zero sense.

but the ending of the battle killed my chances of loving it; I mean a Genki-dama gathered from only a little solar energy that finishes off someone as powerful as Slug just wasn't as believable a finish as Goku's Piccolo Daimaô finish, I would of prefered a Chou Kamehame-Ha at the least.

So, a Spirit Bomb that wipes out a horribly injured and weak Slug that Goku thought was ALREADY DEAD is less believable than Goku punching a hole through a guy that can regenerate? Sure, whatever.

[Dayspring]

My least favs were movies 2 and 4. 4 for the reasons stated above. Similarities and sequel/add-ons I don't mind, but POORLY done remakes bug me. This was simply a remake of the Piccolo and Movie 3, tossed in with bad character designing ("false" SSJ).

As for movie 2, it just sucked. How was it that Wheelo had heard of Kamesennin being the world's strongest man so damned long ago, but not of Tenshinhan, Goku, Jackie Choun, or any other budoukai winner? Plus the fights were awkward since everybody was genetically or mechanically altered in some way, so they weren't relying on martial arts. Finally, why need a body at all if you're more powerful in your robo-body?

[Tsukento]

And ya, that's pretty much it. Janemba was just Buu redisigned. His first form was giant and yellow, the only difference it had from Buu's first form. His final form was like a silent Super Buu (who was the enemy of the time, no Kid Buu yet).

If we're talking Super Buu after having absorbed Gotenks and Piccolo, compared to Janemba's final form, then there's a bit of a difference. Janemba was just out of his mind and was all about destroying his target. Super Buu wanted to gain more power and to be able to fight strong opponents with his newfound power..before destroying everything. >_>;

Well considering that DBZ IS Goku's show, I don't think it was a "Goku fanboy spirit" that made them add him in at the last minute. I really don't pay much attention to whatever Beckett has to say about DBZ, because in my opinion it's an amateurish, crap magazine.

Dragon Ball was Goku's show. Toriyama tried passing the torch along to Gohan after he wasn't allowed to end it with Goku and Freeza being dead. Fans and editors just kept pushing him to continue and to bring Goku back. And this was mentioned BEFORE Beckett.

[Last Son of Krypton]

Least favorite and worst movie in my opinon? Hands down, Movie 4, as cliche as that may sound, it's true. It was just wayyy to rip-off of the Piccolo Daimaô arc and Piccolo Jr. battle.

Nearly all the movies copied an arc to some extent and a few were more blatant rip-offs than movie 4. (Movies 5, 6, and 7 namely.)

There just wasn't enough backround and character depth to Slug for my tastes

Far more depth and background to him than, say, Bojack. Or Tullece, or Dr. Willow... or Jenemba.

and how weak they made Goku out to be for a point in which he'd supposedly done his 100X gravity training.

What the hell? Um... how was he made 'weak'? That makes absolutely zero sense.

but the ending of the battle killed my chances of loving it; I mean a Genki-dama gathered from only a little solar energy that finishes off someone as powerful as Slug just wasn't as believable a finish as Goku's Piccolo Daimaô finish, I would of prefered a Chou Kamehame-Ha at the least.

So, a Spirit Bomb that wipes out a horribly injured and weak Slug that Goku thought was ALREADY DEAD is less believable than Goku punching a hole through a guy that can regenerate? Sure, whatever.

May I shake your hand Xyex?

[masenko]

Movie 9 will always have a special place in my heart because Gohan wears Goku's gi and goes Super Saiyan 2. I loved the original japanese music when that happened, it was way too short though. Funi did a good job with it and I especially like Gohan's last words (KameHameHa). It was very creative. Trunks is the man in that movie too.

As far as worst movie, I'd say 4 and 11 tie for being too dumb or too unoriginal. The best movies are 3, 9, and 13 simply for how emotional they get as well as having great stories. Turles is a great bad guy even though Tree of Might doesn't fit in the story, the music when Goku confronts him is incredible, it is probably the best Japanese BGM I've heard. Dragon Fist Assault is awesome purely because Goku uses a brand new technique that is seriously amazing. Tapion's story is very unique and interesting and Trunk's gets his sword. There's plot holes in every movie as far as continuity goes but they are all worth watching. If you haven't seen movie 11 yet, watch it, decide for yourself. The DBZ movies are great to watch when you get sick of seeing fillers on TV.

Now here's a question, wouldn't it be amazing if Toei made a brand new DragonBall movie for the 20th anniversary? I would love to see it chronicle the whole manga but leave out unneccessary characters. The movie i want to see is Goku's adventures through the Budokais, his triumph over Piccolo, Raditz, Nappa, and Vegeta, and then finally Frieza. That would be awesome. Like a 2 1/2 hour movie that reinvents the story of DragonBall for fans new and old.

[Dayspring]

I doubt they'd do a 20th anniversary movie. 25th is more likely. Here's hoping I'm wrong, though!

[Conan the SSJ]

Least favorite and worst movie in my opinon? Hands down, Movie 4, as cliche as that may sound, it's true. It was just wayyy to rip-off of the Piccolo Daimaô arc and Piccolo Jr. battle.

Nearly all the movies copied an arc to some extent and a few were more blatant rip-offs than movie 4. (Movies 5, 6, and 7 namely.)

There just wasn't enough backround and character depth to Slug for my tastes

Far more depth and background to him than, say, Bojack. Or Tullece, or Dr. Willow... or Jenemba.

and how weak they made Goku out to be for a point in which he'd supposedly done his 100X gravity training.

What the hell? Um... how was he made 'weak'? That makes absolutely zero sense.

but the ending of the battle killed my chances of loving it; I mean a Genki-dama gathered from only a little solar energy that finishes off someone as powerful as Slug just wasn't as believable a finish as Goku's Piccolo Daimaô finish, I would of prefered a Chou Kamehame-Ha at the least.

So, a Spirit Bomb that wipes out a horribly injured and weak Slug that Goku thought was ALREADY DEAD is less believable than Goku punching a hole through a guy that can regenerate? Sure, whatever.

Dude, why are you biting my head off about it? I'll try and explain my reasoning right now.

About the character depth comment, I never said Slug had less character depth than anyone else, what I meant was it wasn't as informative and well telling IMO. I mean Bojack was trapped in a star by the 4 Kaios because he wanted to concur the galaxy, the 4 Kaios teamed up and sealed him in a star, he was released because Goku destroyed Kaio and his planet when Cell self detonated. You're telling me Slug's "He's a mutated Namekian that survived Namek's holocaust and iss more evil than even Piccolo Daimao" backround is better?

Goku seemed weak to ME because of how easily Slug beat the hell out of him when he was supposed to be at full power and freshly healed from a near death experience with the planetoid, yet he gets his ass owned by Slug who's only in his base form. Slug wasn't even a Super Namekian, Goku had supposedly been powerful at this point to handle Freeza, see what I mean? He couldn't he scratch Slug, IMO before he went Qausi SSJ, he quite weak compared to how he could of fought at that point in the series.

Concerning my disliking of the Genki-dama from just the sun being used, that's mainly due to the fact that Goku had already used it in the past two movies, twice in one of them, and I was a bit tired of seeing a less powered version being used to defeat Slug, as I said, I would of rather seen a Chou Kamehame-Ha being used since Goku's power was restored and Slug (as you pointed out) was weakened enough to be vunerable to it.

[Eclipse]

I doubt they'd do a 20th anniversary movie. 25th is more likely. Here's hoping I'm wrong, though!

If so, we'd have to wait until February 2006 -_-. Nooo!!!

(Eclipse, I enjoy your sig. Where exactly does Goku say that, and to whom?)

Yes, he says this to Janemba 1st Form, after he transforms to SSJ3

[MyVisionity]

Goku seemed weak to ME because of how easily Slug beat the hell out of him when he was supposed to be at full power and freshly healed from a near death experience with the planetoid, yet he gets his ass owned by Slug who's only in his base form. Slug wasn't even a Super Namekian, Goku had supposedly been powerful at this point to handle Freeza, see what I mean? He couldn't he scratch Slug, IMO before he went Qausi SSJ, he quite weak compared to how he could of fought at that point in the series.

Mm, I think Slug was said to be a Super Namekian in that movie. He was one of the original Nameks who survived the eco-disaster like you said. I think it makes sense that Goku would get knocked around in his normal state against Slug at that point in the series.

[Duo]

No it doesn't, because there is no such thing as a Super Namekian. Kuririn makes up the term to describe Piccolo after he joins with Kami, and thats it. Nail is probably the stongest Namekian to exist outside of Piccolo.

As for worst movie, I'm gonna go with the first Broly. They didn't even try to portray Goku correctly in the movie, a lot of things didn't really make sense, like Vegeta just "flying around in space" looking for a Super Saiyan?

The fighting was not entertaining. I mean, when all of it is one guy just kicking everybody else around, I get a little bored. Seriously, it was retarded that he was that strong, and then something as stupid as "Chi sharing" could do him in.

But, worst of all, were the plotline descrepincies that have led to people claiming he's the strongest bad guy to ever exist. If you actually try to think about it, it's easy to conclude he's about as strong as Son Goku at the Cell Game, or in that general range.

But no, there are now more Broly fanboys then Goku fanboys and Vegeta fanboys combined. Phrases like "OMG Br0lly is t3h most amazing stongerest bad guy evar!!! He could beat kidbuu like nuthin!!!!" It's disgusting and the worst thing that ever happened to Dragonball Z. Worse then the Fillers, worse than the plotholes, worse than GT.

[Dayspring]

No it doesn't, because there is no such thing as a Super Namekian. Kuririn makes up the term to describe Piccolo after he joins with Kami, and thats it. Nail is probably the stongest Namekian to exist outside of Piccolo.

As for worst movie, I'm gonna go with the first Broly. They didn't even try to portray Goku correctly in the movie, a lot of things didn't really make sense, like Vegeta just "flying around in space" looking for a Super Saiyan?

The fighting was not entertaining. I mean, when all of it is one guy just kicking everybody else around, I get a little bored. Seriously, it was retarded that he was that strong, and then something as stupid as "Chi sharing" could do him in.

But, worst of all, were the plotline descrepincies that have led to people claiming he's the strongest bad guy to ever exist. If you actually try to think about it, it's easy to conclude he's about as strong as Son Goku at the Cell Game, or in that general range.

But no, there are now more Broly fanboys then Goku fanboys and Vegeta fanboys combined. Phrases like "OMG Br0lly is t3h most amazing stongerest bad guy evar!!! He could beat kidbuu like nuthin!!!!" It's disgusting and the worst thing that ever happened to Dragonball Z. Worse then the Fillers, worse than the plotholes, worse than GT.

You so totally missed the point of Broly's character.

Broly beats on them because he's insane. ALL he has going for him are his Saiyan instincts to fight. He's LSSJ Nappa with half the brain and half Radditz's hair. Typical DB villains like to toy with the fighters because their evil, whereas Broly is purely predatorial.

The plotline discrepencies arise because it can't take place. They should be training to fight against Cell, instead they still have the strength they had in movie 7. Up against Broly they are nothing independently, which is how they fight. Added together, like in the end, Goku's only got the strength to land one good hit.

[Jerseymilk]

And ya, that's pretty much it. Janemba was just Buu redisigned. His first form was giant and yellow, the only difference it had from Buu's first form. His final form was like a silent Super Buu (who was the enemy of the time, no Kid Buu yet).

If we're talking Super Buu after having absorbed Gotenks and Piccolo, compared to Janemba's final form, then there's a bit of a difference. Janemba was just out of his mind and was all about destroying his target. Super Buu wanted to gain more power and to be able to fight strong opponents with his newfound power..before destroying everything. >_>;

Basically you just helped back me up. In the end, Buu had the same chaotic and destructive mentality.

Well considering that DBZ IS Goku's show, I don't think it was a "Goku fanboy spirit" that made them add him in at the last minute. I really don't pay much attention to whatever Beckett has to say about DBZ, because in my opinion it's an amateurish, crap magazine.

Dragon Ball was Goku's show. Toriyama tried passing the torch along to Gohan after he wasn't allowed to end it with Goku and Freeza being dead. Fans and editors just kept pushing him to continue and to bring Goku back. And this was mentioned BEFORE Beckett.

Yes, I know he wanted to "pass the torch onto Gohan", but Goku was still a big part of the series. A couple points here: One, this was an anime only feature, therefore it had nothing to do with how Toriyama wanted things to go. Two, you saying that the series should have moved to Gohan, just makes things look worse for movie 11 since Gohan wasn't shown at all in the film. Lastly, the entire series in Japan was always simply known as "Dragonball", including the Z part. That's why I made no distinction about it being really Gohan's show. It's also just as much Goku's.

As for mentioning Beckett again, I'm not sure why you did for that aspect of our argument. I made the Beckett comment in response to Conan's statement that they called movie 4 "Dragonball soup". I basically meant I personally don't hold whatever opinions that magazine gives in very high regard, so using it as a reason to say the fourth movie is the worst won't convince me of it.

[Chaos Saiyajin]

Excuse me, but some of us actually like GT. Anyway, what you said about the Brolly being stronger than Kid Buu line was pretty funny. That's like comparing Sagas to Hyper Dimension

At any rate, Brolly was the most over used character. I mean three movies? I'd have rather seen a sequel to the Tree of Might or Super Android 13.

[Dayspring]

Excuse me, but some of us actually like GT. Anyway, what you said about the Brolly being stronger than Kid Buu line was pretty funny. That's like comparing Sagas to Hyper Dimension

At any rate, Brolly was the most over used character. I mean three movies? I'd have rather seen a sequel to the Tree of Might or Super Android 13.

BIO-Broly!! BIO! Movie 11 was a sequel to movie 10, not 8! It was simply an excuse to give Goten and Trunks a sequel, which would be impossible since they only appeared in the previous movie. That's why Broly's appearance was altered and his power significantly decreased: they would have had their asses handed to them otherwise.

[Duo]

I don't care about the point of Broly's character. They didn't execute the idea well if that's what you want me to say. If he was really that much stronger than them and insane as you say, they would have died in moments.

As for the movie placement - the Characters were not at the strength they were at the Cell Game. They were far weaker. It is most probable that it "takes place" just a little while after Gohan goes SS in the Rosat.

And don't give me the "How could they be taken out of the Rosat" line. None of the movies make sense, why should this one?

[Xyex]

Movie 8 occurs post RoSaT. That's all there is to it. Just becuase you don't like Broly dosen't mean he isn't strong and can't kick the ass out of the Z Fighters.