What if.... No More Yamcha

[Insertclevername]

We wouldn't have his bad ass theme song. Now that would be a shame.

[AnzuMazaki]

OH GOD!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!! T_T

I can't imagine Dragonball without Yamcha, no way DX> Being the obssessed fangirl that I am.
Anyways you guys are correct, Either Pilaf or Boss Rabbit would have killed the gang by then had Yamcha not been there.

[Saiga]

It depends on if Goku truly needed Yamcha to bail him out of the Boss Carrot incident. Boss Carrot was threatening to nibble on Carrot!Bulma - if Goku could intercept him with his speed or the Nyoi-bo he wouldn't need Yamcha's help. But we'll never know.

[Gaffer Tape]

OH GOD!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!! T_T

I can't imagine Dragonball without Yamcha, no way DX> Being the obssessed fangirl that I am.
Anyways you guys are correct, Either Pilaf or Boss Rabbit would have killed the gang by then had Yamcha not been there.

Yay! Glad to her it. Yamucha needs more fangirls!

You sorta can't remove Kid Trunks without removing Future Trunks, and Future Trunks is essential.

Sure you can. Future Trunks somewhat implied the opposite, but that was before it was established that they were separate timelines. They are in no way interconnected. Future Trunks could decapitate his baby self, and it would have absolutely no impact on his existence. Case in point: a Goten in the alternate timeline never could have existed, but that makes no difference to the one in our timeline.

And, technically, as much as I hate to say it, you could remove Future Trunks without too much damage. Anyone could have gone back and time and served as Captain Exposition and delivered medicine. And before you say that he was the only one left who could have defeated Freeza et al., remember that that was what Goku was supposed to do, and Trunks just messed up the timeline.

[Saiga]

I don't think Kid Trunks is useless. Without him, there's no hope for fusion, and therefore Goku kills Boo. Then Satan never befriends him and Boo is never redeemed. How sad.

[DBZAOTA482]

You sorta can't remove Kid Trunks without removing Future Trunks, and Future Trunks is essential.

Sure you can. Future Trunks somewhat implied the opposite, but that was before it was established that they were separate timelines. They are in no way interconnected. Future Trunks could decapitate his baby self, and it would have absolutely no impact on his existence. Case in point: a Goten in the alternate timeline never could have existed, but that makes no difference to the one in our timeline.

And, technically, as much as I hate to say it, you could remove Future Trunks without too much damage. Anyone could have gone back and time and served as Captain Exposition and delivered medicine. And before you say that he was the only one left who could have defeated Freeza et al., remember that that was what Goku was supposed to do, and Trunks just messed up the timeline.

It's Kurirrin's fault that he wasn't "useful".

[Gaffer Tape]

I'm not at all sure what you mean by that.

[DBZAOTA482]

I'm not at all sure what you mean by that.

The infamous scene where Kurririn destroyed the remote Bulma made.

[Saiga]

That in no way affects Trunks' usefulness.

[Marco Polo]

Sure you can. Future Trunks somewhat implied the opposite, but that was before it was established that they were separate timelines. They are in no way interconnected. Future Trunks could decapitate his baby self, and it would have absolutely no impact on his existence. Case in point: a Goten in the alternate timeline never could have existed, but that makes no difference to the one in our timeline.

And, technically, as much as I hate to say it, you could remove Future Trunks without too much damage. Anyone could have gone back and time and served as Captain Exposition and delivered medicine. And before you say that he was the only one left who could have defeated Freeza et al., remember that that was what Goku was supposed to do, and Trunks just messed up the timeline.

You're the only one who said anything about the timelines being interconnected.

The fact that you have to propose a scenario as crazy as "Future Trunks decapitating his baby self", to remove Kid Trunks from the story, just goes to show that it makes no sense for Kid Trunks to be removed from a storytelling angle.

[Gaffer Tape]

Wow. That has next to nothing to do with what I said. Please re-read what I wrote.

I also have no idea how that hypothetical scenario says anything about the nature of Trunks's value to the story... something I never commented on in the first place.

And, yes, I am the only one of us who said the timelines aren't interconnected... and that's the problem with your argument. They aren't interconnected, so you don't need Kid Trunks to have Future Trunks. They are two completely separate people.

[Pantalones]

The timelines already have some really random differences, like Goku's heart disease striking at a different time, different androids showing up to attack the city, and 17 and 18 having both different levels of power and different personalities.

You don't have to go to ridiculous extremes like the future Trunks killing the baby one after he's already born; all it would take is "that one sperm of Vegeta's that got Bulma pregnant in the future timeline didn't quite make it in our timeline." It wouldn't really be that big of a change considering the ones we already got.

[GS7X7]

The timelines already have some really random differences, like Goku's heart disease striking at a different time, different androids showing up to attack the city, and 17 and 18 having both different levels of power and different personalities.

You don't have to go to ridiculous extremes like the future Trunks killing the baby one after he's already born; all it would take is "that one sperm of Vegeta's that got Bulma pregnant in the future timeline didn't quite make it in our timeline." It wouldn't really be that big of a change considering the ones we already got.

I've always wondered about that....

Wouldn't waiting an extra week, or going a week early, or having some "fun with porn" before conceiving change the sperm...

No no, Toriyama would just say something about Saiyans having different DNA, so it'd still fit in regardless.

[Gaffer Tape]

The timelines already have some really random differences, like Goku's heart disease striking at a different time, different androids showing up to attack the city, and 17 and 18 having both different levels of power and different personalities.

You don't have to go to ridiculous extremes like the future Trunks killing the baby one after he's already born; all it would take is "that one sperm of Vegeta's that got Bulma pregnant in the future timeline didn't quite make it in our timeline." It wouldn't really be that big of a change considering the ones we already got.

Okay, I'm lost. What does this have to do with what I said at all? It seems like not only are people arguing against a point I never made, but, in some ways arguing against the exact OPPOSITE of the point I was trying to make. So I'm very confused...

[Kid Buu]

Basically, what Gaffer Tape is trying to say is: you didn't need Trunks to time travel. Future Bulma could have have time traveled and delivered the antidote to Goku, and Goku would have killed Freeza.

[RandomGuy96]

Basically, what Gaffer Tape is trying to say is: you didn't need Trunks to time travel. Future Bulma could have have time traveled and delivered the antidote to Goku, and Goku would have killed Freeza.

Then who goes forward and kills the future androids?

[Kid Buu]

Basically, what Gaffer Tape is trying to say is: you didn't need Trunks to time travel. Future Bulma could have have time traveled and delivered the antidote to Goku, and Goku would have killed Freeza.

Then who goes forward and kills the future androids?

Present Day Bulma gives Future Bulma a device to deactivate the Androids......but then there is still Cell, shit.

Hmm, maybe Future Bulma could bring Present Vegeta to her timeline, have him kill the Androids & Cell. And he'll have his own world where he is the strongest in the universe.

[Gaffer Tape]

Actually, that's not what I'm saying either (although I did say that earlier, but that was a separate point).

Marco Polo made the assertion that Kid Trunks was necessary to the story because you couldn't have Future Trunks without him. Now, I wasn't making any kind of assessment in that particular point as to whether any of those characters were necessary to the story or not. I was just refuting Marco Polo's claim. Kid Trunks is not at all a necessary antecedent for Future Trunks. They are two completely different and separate people. Future Trunks exists independently of Kid Trunks. Kid Trunks does not grow into Future Trunks. And it doesn't matter if something as simple as Vegeta and Blooma conceiving a child on a different day happens or something as ridiculously extreme as Future Trunks murdering Kid Trunks in cold blood. Neither is going to have any effect on the existence of Future Trunks (although the latter might emotionally scar him, but that's another story...). So while the question of whether or not Kid Trunks is necessary is still on the table, to say that he's necessary because there wouldn't be a Future Trunks without him having existed is simply invalid.

[Kid Buu]

But yeah, Kid Trunks & Goten are pretty useless. Then again, it's hard to be relevant when your only in one saga, and that saga has a plot that is all over the place.

[Puto]

Mr. Satan. If there was no Mr. Satan, Boo would never have gained a conscience, which would mean he would never get enraged at Satan being shot, meaning he'd never get any stronger than his fat persona, so Gotenks would've annihilated him.