DBZ Characters are nerfed for Crossovers?

[KentalSSJ6]

Going off all the anime I watched and manga I read, the only thing I can see beating DBZ characters with relative ease would be Saint Seiya and Gurren Lagann. Dont even get me started on the ludicrousy that is Super Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann. This SOB is literally 52.8 BILLION light years tall.



Heres a little video showing the size comparison. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUJzYSswcj0 Keep in mind thats just Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann. The super version is ten times its size.

[TheGmGoken]

Going off all the anime I watched and manga I read, the only thing I can see beating DBZ characters with relative ease would be Saint Seiya and Gurren Lagann. Dont even get me started on the ludicrousy that is Super Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann. This SOB is literally 52.8 BILLION light years tall.



Heres a little video showing the size comparison. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUJzYSswcj0 Keep in mind thats just Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann. The super version is ten times its size.

MY FAVORITE ANIME EVER! That bitch is bigger than the universe itself.

[Saiyatonian]

Going off all the anime I watched and manga I read, the only thing I can see beating DBZ characters with relative ease would be Saint Seiya and Gurren Lagann. Dont even get me started on the ludicrousy that is Super Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann. This SOB is literally 52.8 BILLION light years tall.



Heres a little video showing the size comparison. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUJzYSswcj0 Keep in mind thats just Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann. The super version is ten times its size.

Hell, I'd say he beats 90% of all fiction. Even Galactus would shit his pants from fighting that.

[KentalSSJ6]

I think hes the strongest being in fictional history. STTGL is its own self preserving universe. Not to mention its non Super State was capable of firing Probability Altering Missles, Could make thoughts a reality as shown when Yoko just materializes her sniper rifle out of nothing. Hell in the Lagann Hen movie when this behemoth clashes from the anti spiral the collision sucks in surrounding galaxies and creates another Big Bang. Hell even Superman Prime wouldn't be able to do anything against it.

[dbzfan7]

I think hes the strongest being in fictional history. STTGL is its own self preserving universe. Not to mention its non Super State was capable of firing Probability Altering Missles, Could make thoughts a reality as shown when Yoko just materializes her sniper rifle out of nothing. Hell in the Lagann Hen movie when this behemoth clashes from the anti spiral the collision sucks in surrounding galaxies and creates another Big Bang. Hell even Superman Prime wouldn't be able to do anything against it.

One above all. Basically is Stan Lee and Jack Kirby as a fictional god in marvel. Also squirrel girl can beat anyone off panel. That's her ability.

[TheGmGoken]

I think hes the strongest being in fictional history. STTGL is its own self preserving universe. Not to mention its non Super State was capable of firing Probability Altering Missles, Could make thoughts a reality as shown when Yoko just materializes her sniper rifle out of nothing. Hell in the Lagann Hen movie when this behemoth clashes from the anti spiral the collision sucks in surrounding galaxies and creates another Big Bang. Hell even Superman Prime wouldn't be able to do anything against it.

Not to mention in the series itself(not the movies) they were throwing galaxies like they were toys at each other.

[KentalSSJ6]

Pretty much. STTGL is pretty much overkill for anyone who fights it. I haven't watched or read Saint Seiya but from what I understand some of the characters can destroy a universe multiple times over.

[Hellspawn28]

STTGL is strong, but there characters that can erase him with the snap of their fingers like Mr. Mxyzptlk. DBZ is a very strong franchise, but there are anime/manga franchises that can solo it like Tenchi Muyo!, Saint Seiya and Bastard!! for example. I can name a few Transformers and Digimon that could solo DBZ . As I mention before, crossovers are for fun and never taken seriously. I bet if a official Goku vs. Superman movie or comic was made that Superman would win for being more popular or the fight will not be finish.

[dbzfan7]

I bet if a official Goku vs. Superman movie or comic was made that Superman would win for being more popular or the fight will not be finish.

Or how itsjustsomerandomguy put it "we have to put aside the fight and team up against our villains"

[KentalSSJ6]

Superman would win because when it comes to crossovers, DC pays out the nose to ensure their characters win. Supes actually used Thor's hammer against him once. DC does NOT like their characters losing unless its in their own comics.

[ABED]

If anyone's worthy of picking up Mjolnir, it's Superman.

[KentalSSJ6]

I just dont like how DC just cops out when it comes to crossovers. The fact they pay large amounts of money to guarantee their characters win just seems really cheap to me.

[Kamiccolo9]

Superman would win because when it comes to crossovers, DC pays out the nose to ensure their characters win. Supes actually used Thor's hammer against him once. DC does NOT like their characters losing unless its in their own comics.

I don't recall this. He caught Thor's hammer when Thor swung it at him, and Thor allowed him to lift it once, but after that was over, he couldn't lift it. What issue are you talking about?

[KentalSSJ6]

All I remember seeing was a scan of that happening when I was all caught up in the Goku VS Superman deathbattle hype. Havent seen it since so I could be wrong with him holding it.

[Cursed Lemon]

As I've said many times, I take DBZ characters to probably be the strongest characters in fiction when certain tenets are followed:

1) Characters that are mostly "normal" and self-contained within a humanoid body
2) Characters that are mortal
3) Characters that exist solely in the physical plane (afterlife notwithstanding)
4) Characters whose power is entirely self-generated (e.g. Superman gets his power from the Sun)

I realize that these tenets may be fairly restrictive, but it's only meant to say that in a vacuum, DBZ characters are tough sons of guns.

[Kamiccolo9]

All I remember seeing was a scan of that happening when I was all caught up in the Goku VS Superman deathbattle hype. Havent seen it since so I could be wrong with him holding it.

Was it this one, by any chance?

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[KentalSSJ6]

Yeah that was it. I also remember a scan of him holding the hammer himself along with Captain America's shield. Speaking of which, why hasent there been a Captain America VS Captain Commando deathbattle yet? It would be perfect.

[Kamiccolo9]

Yeah that was it. I also remember a scan of him holding the hammer himself along with Captain America's shield. Speaking of which, why hasent there been a Captain America VS Captain Commando deathbattle yet? It would be perfect.

Well, getting off topic, but what happens is all the heroes are fighting a huge army of villains, and a bunch of them gang up on Thor, who throws the hammer to Superman, allowing him to lift it.

Spoiler:

As soon as the battle is over, he can't lift it again.

Spoiler:

He has the shield because Captain America gave it to Superman to use while Cap directed the overall battle.

[KentalSSJ6]

Yeah I'm sure its no surprise but I despise Supes. I just find him to be a utterly boring and uninteresting character. I do however enjoy the animated series and justice league series versions because well, hes nerfed compared to his comic incarnations. Anyway, off topic. Hasent this been the first crossover that DBZ has had with other shonen animes?

[Mewzard]

For what its worth, Toriko's characters are becoming insanely powerful. Recently, one character used a immobilization technique that briefly stopped the planet from rotating.

You're forgetting that it wasn't just the planet itself, everything on the planet stopped movie, and I mean EVERYTHING (the people, the animals, the objects, ****ing WEATHER stopped moving). They don't call him the Knocking Master for nothing.

But yeah, the universe is proving quite stronger than most would think at first glance. Even Toriko's proving pretty powerful in recent chapters (though, not anywhere near the level of Jiro and the other students of Gourmet God Acacia), like during his fight with Starjun where

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he could visualize something happening to his foe, and it would happen if they weren't quick enough to dodge, which proved even more potent, when despite losing an arm and a leg, he was able to punch a hole through Starjun without moving, visualizing that intimidating demon thing he uses to scare off some animals punching a hole through him. That was insane.

That's all ignoring how insane his techniques have grown since the time that crossover (and that he trained so he removed all wasted energy from his moves, so they both became more powerful and more efficient even with lower level moves).

Superman would win because when it comes to crossovers, DC pays out the nose to ensure their characters win. Supes actually used Thor's hammer against him once. DC does NOT like their characters losing unless its in their own comics.

Like it was stated before, that DOESN'T happen (DC has more integrity than that). Besides, Marvel wouldn't take money to lose to Superman. Pretty sure they'd prefer their characters to win, as they are competitors. Then again, the DC/Marvel crossovers happened when the two companies were on friendlier terms than they are now, so they probably had discussions on who would win (outside of the few matches that were voted on...Lobo losing to Wolverine was BS, but at least the writers turned that into Lobo taking a dive for money, that made more sense).

When it comes to Superman vs Goku...Goku doesn't need to be nerfed to lose, Superman's just stronger (and that's not even counting his peak incarnations, that's just going modern Supes). There's nothing wrong with that, Superman's one of the oldest heroes we have, and earned his place on top over the years. Even Goku's origin went from being very Journey to the West to being a modified version of Superman's origin (albeit, Jor El had better intentions sending his son to the Earth than the Saiyans did with Kakarot).

Yeah I'm sure its no surprise but I despise Supes. I just find him to be a utterly boring and uninteresting character. I do however enjoy the animated series and justice league series versions because well, hes nerfed compared to his comic incarnations. Anyway, off topic. Hasent this been the first crossover that DBZ has had with other shonen animes?

Superman is just like any other character: When he's written right, he's good. You like STTGL despite the insanely idiotically high level it is.

With a strong character like Superman, it's not always the strong fights he has to face that make him interesting (though, with a good opponent, we can get some awesome fights, and that does in fact happen), it's that struggle with life itself, finding balance between being the man and Superman, the relationships with people that prove more complex given his abilities, the level of control that is needed to even function as a normal person, and dealing with one's emotions.

Superman could solve a lot more problems in the world than he does, but he would have to sacrifice all semblance of a private life, and in several cases, supersede the wills of governments to do some things. Could he make the world a better place like that? Possibly, but does he have the right? Should he be allowed to play God and dictate what man can or cannot do? He knows he shouldn't, lest he become a tyrant to the people he wishes to protect. But the man still hears the cries of those who need him all over the world. It's not easy being the Man of Steel.

Some of the best stories deal with either his mortality or the dreams he has that he knows he can't fulfill. All-Star Superman his power increase several fold, but at the cost of his cells dying, leaving him with a short time left to live. The story was amazing as it told of the legacy of Superman that he would leave in this short time, and what he would do when death was facing him.

For The Man Who Has Everything showed us (via Superman's Black Mercy-induced dream) what Superman desperately wanted deep inside, that he could never have. In order to escape this trap by Mongol, he had to willingly choose to leave these dreams behind, and basically kill that dream world, leading to quite an emotional fight with Mongol.

It's all just depending on good writing to make a character interesting, regardless of the character.