Why is SSJ God so powerful?

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Re: Why is SSJ God so powerful?

Post by Zephyr » Thu Aug 29, 2013 2:52 pm

It's a divine ki being granted to a Saiyan.

Maybe a divine ki will by itself power up whatever race it happens to be bestowed upon, the same way Fusion and the Potara will power up anyone who uses them. Saiyans, Goku in particular, are already very powerful. So maybe bestowing upon a member of a naturally powerful race, who himself is abnormally powerful for a member of that race, divine ki which grants a power up, results in such a massive leap in power.

One massive power up + abnormally powerful member of an already powerful race = holy shit.

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Re: Why is SSJ God so powerful?

Post by Gyt Kaliba » Thu Aug 29, 2013 2:58 pm

Zephyr wrote:It's a divine ki being granted to a Saiyan.

Maybe a divine ki will by itself power up whatever race it happens to be bestowed upon, the same way Fusion and the Potara will power up anyone who uses them. Saiyans, Goku in particular, are already very powerful. So maybe bestowing upon a member of a naturally powerful race, who himself is abnormally powerful for a member of that race, divine ki which grants a power up, results in such a massive leap in power.

One massive power up + abnormally powerful member of an already powerful race = holy shit.
That'd make sense to me. Even though I'd like to see the 'form' work with other races now, and while I'm thinking it'd put a human back in the higher ranks again, there's no denying it'd be all the more effective on a stronger person.
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Re: Why is SSJ God so powerful?

Post by dbzfan7 » Thu Aug 29, 2013 3:04 pm

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TheMightyOzaru wrote:You know, I bolded the topic statement for a reason.
But it's not toei bullshit. It's just bad direction that makes all the characters feel like Yamcha. Toei bullshit is something that shouldn't be possible but somehow is. What I stated is the direction they are going with these characters and how thinking anyone else getting any special spot light like Goku is wishful thinking. It's not toei bullshit logic, it's just a boring direction.
That's still an Out-Of-Universe perspective. I said keep in mind this was an In-Universe topic
It's actually both. In-universe Goku is the only one being special as shown in the scenes. In universe he acquires more power while everyone else stays on the sidelines.
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Re: Why is SSJ God so powerful?

Post by TheMightyOzaru » Thu Aug 29, 2013 3:15 pm

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Seriously? I said this is an In-Universe topic, I said I wanted a no bull shit answer and I said I wanted theories. It's not hard to understand what I'm looking for. If you wanna bash SSJ God, by all means go for it, just do it elsewhere.
You wanted to hear other people's thoughts and theories for why SSG as as strong as it is. I gave you mine: my theory is just that it works like every other example of Toei energy sharing ever. No complaints, just simple logic I came up with by citing the other movies. Donating the energy made Goku randomly a bajillion times stronger because the same thing happened in GT and Movie 8, and it let Goku have a never before seen power up that he'll probably never use again because the same thing happened in Movie 4.
I asked for an In-Universe answer. If you don't want to give me an answer I'm looking for, don't respond.
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Re: Why is SSJ God so powerful?

Post by TheMightyOzaru » Thu Aug 29, 2013 3:18 pm

Zephyr wrote:It's a divine ki being granted to a Saiyan.

Maybe a divine ki will by itself power up whatever race it happens to be bestowed upon, the same way Fusion and the Potara will power up anyone who uses them. Saiyans, Goku in particular, are already very powerful. So maybe bestowing upon a member of a naturally powerful race, who himself is abnormally powerful for a member of that race, divine ki which grants a power up, results in such a massive leap in power.

One massive power up + abnormally powerful member of an already powerful race = holy shit.
Sorry I'm double posting. I'm typing from a phone, I'll edit this when I get a chance. Thank you! These are the kinds of answers I'm looking for people.
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Re: Why is SSJ God so powerful?

Post by TheGmGoken » Thu Aug 29, 2013 3:26 pm

Obviously the kool-aid in Goku's hair gave him American Powers. USA! USA! USA!...Bitch please South Korea FTW

On Topic: God Ki > Normal Ki. For all we know without God Ki Bisru could have been weaker than Vegetto but stronger than Mystic Gohan.

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Re: Why is SSJ God so powerful?

Post by TheMightyOzaru » Thu Aug 29, 2013 3:44 pm

Ok, with information I have received, this is my theorized multiplier for Ssj God:
5 x A x BP
A: Ex, if the users BP is 96,000,000, A is 10,000,000. If the users BP is 9,600,000, A is 1,000,000.
5 x 100 x 100 = 50,000
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Re: Why is SSJ God so powerful?

Post by TheGmGoken » Thu Aug 29, 2013 3:45 pm

TheMightyOzaru wrote:Ok, with information I have received, this is my theorized multiplier for Ssj God:
50 x A.
A = where the users power level is at. For example, if someone's power level was in the tens, the multiplier would be 500.
20 x 500 = 10,000
At this point math is useless.

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Re: Why is SSJ God so powerful?

Post by TheMightyOzaru » Thu Aug 29, 2013 3:47 pm

TheGmGoken wrote:
TheMightyOzaru wrote:Ok, with information I have received, this is my theorized multiplier for Ssj God:
50 x A.
A = where the users power level is at. For example, if someone's power level was in the tens, the multiplier would be 500.
20 x 500 = 10,000
At this point math is useless.
Why?
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Re: Why is SSJ God so powerful?

Post by TheGmGoken » Thu Aug 29, 2013 3:55 pm

TheMightyOzaru wrote:
TheGmGoken wrote:
TheMightyOzaru wrote:Ok, with information I have received, this is my theorized multiplier for Ssj God:
50 x A.
A = where the users power level is at. For example, if someone's power level was in the tens, the multiplier would be 500.
20 x 500 = 10,000
At this point math is useless.
Why?
I would say. But the user who made the topic doesn't want out of universe talking. I want to say it. But I can't.

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Re: Why is SSJ God so powerful?

Post by TheMightyOzaru » Thu Aug 29, 2013 3:59 pm

Fair enough.
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Re: Why is SSJ God so powerful?

Post by RandomGuy96 » Thu Aug 29, 2013 4:02 pm

TheMightyOzaru wrote:
RandomGuy96 wrote:
Seriously? I said this is an In-Universe topic, I said I wanted a no bull shit answer and I said I wanted theories. It's not hard to understand what I'm looking for. If you wanna bash SSJ God, by all means go for it, just do it elsewhere.
You wanted to hear other people's thoughts and theories for why SSG as as strong as it is. I gave you mine: my theory is just that it works like every other example of Toei energy sharing ever. No complaints, just simple logic I came up with by citing the other movies. Donating the energy made Goku randomly a bajillion times stronger because the same thing happened in GT and Movie 8, and it let Goku have a never before seen power up that he'll probably never use again because the same thing happened in Movie 4.
I asked for an In-Universe answer. If you don't want to give me an answer I'm looking for, don't respond.
In the movies, giving energy makes a user disproportionately powerful. That's how energy donation works. That IS an in-universe answer.
Ok, with information I have received, this is my theorized multiplier for Ssj God:
50 x A.
A = where the users power level is at. For example, if someone's power level was in the tens, the multiplier would be 500.
20 x 500 = 10,000
I doubt that math is involved at all, otherwise they would've given it to Gohan or Gotenks and had him finger flick Beers.
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He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
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Re: Why is SSJ God so powerful?

Post by TheMightyOzaru » Thu Aug 29, 2013 4:17 pm

There are multiple theories floating around for Goku's burst in power from these energy offerings. Saying Goku gets powerful just cuz isn't something I'm looking for. I really shouldn't have to spell everything out for you. I want attempts at logic, not lazy excuses, hence why I said I wanted theories.
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Re: Why is SSJ God so powerful?

Post by TheGmGoken » Thu Aug 29, 2013 4:20 pm

TheMightyOzaru wrote:There are multiple theories floating around for Goku's burst in power from these energy offerings. Saying Goku gets powerful just cuz isn't something I'm looking for. I really shouldn't have to spell everything out for you. I want attempts at logic, not lazy excuses, hence why I said I wanted theories.
Not to sound rude but aren't a lot of theories lazy excuses.........

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Re: Why is SSJ God so powerful?

Post by dbzfan7 » Thu Aug 29, 2013 4:29 pm

TheGmGoken wrote:
TheMightyOzaru wrote:There are multiple theories floating around for Goku's burst in power from these energy offerings. Saying Goku gets powerful just cuz isn't something I'm looking for. I really shouldn't have to spell everything out for you. I want attempts at logic, not lazy excuses, hence why I said I wanted theories.
Not to sound rude but aren't a lot of theories lazy excuses.........
Pretty much this.
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Re: Why is SSJ God so powerful?

Post by Dr. Machismo » Thu Aug 29, 2013 4:30 pm

Doesn't matter if you don't like theories. OP wants them.

I have one. The Super Saiyan God combines every Saiyan in the ritual's "godly ki" to create the Super Saiyan God
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Re: Why is SSJ God so powerful?

Post by TheMightyOzaru » Thu Aug 29, 2013 5:52 pm

TheGmGoken wrote:
TheMightyOzaru wrote:There are multiple theories floating around for Goku's burst in power from these energy offerings. Saying Goku gets powerful just cuz isn't something I'm looking for. I really shouldn't have to spell everything out for you. I want attempts at logic, not lazy excuses, hence why I said I wanted theories.
Not to sound rude but aren't a lot of theories lazy excuses.........
Not really. People take the time to reason. That's anything but lazy.
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Re: Why is SSJ God so powerful?

Post by TheGmGoken » Thu Aug 29, 2013 5:53 pm

TheMightyOzaru wrote:
TheGmGoken wrote:
TheMightyOzaru wrote:There are multiple theories floating around for Goku's burst in power from these energy offerings. Saying Goku gets powerful just cuz isn't something I'm looking for. I really shouldn't have to spell everything out for you. I want attempts at logic, not lazy excuses, hence why I said I wanted theories.
Not to sound rude but aren't a lot of theories lazy excuses.........
Not really. People take the time to reason. That's anything but lazy.
So hyou're telling me. Not A lot(Not most but a lot) of theories aren't just lazy excuses. Not saying all of them or even most of them are/

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Re: Why is SSJ God so powerful?

Post by TheMightyOzaru » Thu Aug 29, 2013 5:55 pm

If you take the time to analyze a situation, it's not lazy. It can be viewed as an excuse, sure, but it's not a lazy one.
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Re: Why is SSJ God so powerful?

Post by TheGmGoken » Thu Aug 29, 2013 5:56 pm

TheMightyOzaru wrote:If you take the time to analyze a situation, it's not lazy. It can be viewed as an excuse, sure, but it's not a lazy one.
Maybe he took time and made a lazy excuse. I mean you're aren't giving me something. Taking time doesn't mean it's not lazy.

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