Why is SSJ God so powerful?

[TheMightyOzaru]

Please keep in mind that this is an In-Universe topic. Don't just say Toei bull shit. I wanna hear theories. Take your jokes elsewhere please.

[RandomGuy96]

Toei bullshit.

No, really. By Toei logic it actually makes perfect sense. Like when three half dead base saiyans gave Goku enough power to one-shot Broly. Or when Piccolo's energy gave Goku enough strength to not only boost himself to full, but do an ultra powerful unheard of power up that he never does again to fight the main villain. Or when three Super Saiyans and Super Uub gave their energy and randomly made Goku like twenty times stronger, possibly more.

But then, that's only if you believe SSG actually IS that strong, which can be questioned.

[JulieYBM]

It's implied rather clearly within the film that Super Saiyan God uses a godly ki different from the ki we have seen in the series up until now. This puts Gokuu in the same bowl of Skittles as Beers. Once Gokuu refines his command of his god ki he will be able to match Beers much more closely. Theoretically Piccolo and the human characters might be able to develop godly ki, too!

[dbzfan7]

It's implied rather clearly within the film that Super Saiyan God uses a godly ki different from the ki we have seen in the series up until now. This puts Gokuu in the same bowl of Skittles as Beers. Once Gokuu refines his command of his god ki he will be able to match Beers much more closely. Theoretically Piccolo and the human characters might be able to develop godly ki, too!

That's silly. Everyone knows only Goku is allowed to be special at this point. Everyone else is there to be in awe of his power or to be cheer leaders.

[Gyt Kaliba]

It's implied rather clearly within the film that Super Saiyan God uses a godly ki different from the ki we have seen in the series up until now. This puts Gokuu in the same bowl of Skittles as Beers. Once Gokuu refines his command of his god ki he will be able to match Beers much more closely. Theoretically Piccolo and the human characters might be able to develop godly ki, too!

I doubt it would happen, but if the human characters pulled something like this and this turned out to be more of a technique akin to Kaio-ken or something, rather than simply another Saiyan form, then I'd be able to deal with the ritual angle a little more I think. I'd still dislike it somewhat, but hey, at least it'd also give me the pleasure of a human character being effective again!

That aside, I assume it's that powerful simply because of the same thing JulieYBM said. It's that strong because it's a whole new class of energy to work with. I think of it a little like the Sacred Energy from Yu Yu Hakusho.

[Chuquita]

I liken it to Eevee from pokémon. Goku/Eevee is mortal/normal-type. Getting exposed to the mysterious power created by that pure-heart ritutal/fire stone alters said character and results in a god type/fire type.

I also see ssjg as a magical girl kind of power; where in some series only the magical girls in question can sense when an enemy's created a monster and only their magic attacks have any real effect on the bad guys.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Toei bullshit.

What did I just say ?

That's silly. Everyone knows only Goku is allowed to special at this point. Everyone else is their to be in awe of his power or to be cheer leaders.

You know, I bolded the topic statement for a reason.

[RandomGuy96]

Toei bullshit.

What did I just say ?

That's silly. Everyone knows only Goku is allowed to special at this point. Everyone else is their to be in awe of his power or to be cheer leaders.

You know, I bolded the topic statement for a reason.

You said "don't just say Toei bull shit". Which I didn't.

[TheMightyOzaru]

You know what I meant.

[dbzfan7]

You know, I bolded the topic statement for a reason.

But it's not toei bullshit. It's just bad direction that makes all the characters feel like Yamcha. Toei bullshit is something that shouldn't be possible but somehow is. What I stated is the direction they are going with these characters and how thinking anyone else getting any special spot light like Goku is wishful thinking. It's not toei bullshit logic, it's just a boring direction.

[KentalSSJ6]

I really cant think of a believable in universe reason. They screwed up by making Bills stronger than Super Vegito so they had to pull SSJG out of their ass so Bills could have a relative equal in combat. And people think the power scaling in GT was ridiculous? Goku goes from Gotenks being able to slaughter him to having the power to own Super Vegito. Its as stupid as his X33 boost on Namek.

[Gyt Kaliba]

They screwed up by making Bills stronger than Super Vegito so they had to pull SSJG out of their ass so Bills could have a relative equal in combat.

If they hadn't made him stronger than anything seen yet though, there's no sense of escalated threat, and we really would just have a repeat of the JSAT special on our hands. It's also the first movie in almost 20 years, of course they're gonna make the new bad guy stronger than anything else, just because that's exciting.

[RandomGuy96]

You know what I meant.

No, I don't. I explained why it makes sense by Toei logic, bringing up examples of the same thing happening. I didn't just say "Toei bullshit".

Movie 14's power up sequence is a composite of the energy giving scenes in Lord Slug and GT. The jobbers give Goku their energy, which makes Goku way stronger than should logically be possible and lets him get a new level of kaio-ken.

[Axiom]

Because It's Goku - I'm serious. Strongest character in DBZ infused with God powers.

[KentalSSJ6]

I'm all for a stronger villain but they went overkill on Bills. They couldent just set him between Buu and his current power? I could see Super Vegito level, but beyond that really just sounds ridiculous.

[Axiom]

You know what I meant.

No, I don't. I explained why it makes sense by Toei logic, bringing up examples of the same thing happening. I didn't just say "Toei bullshit".

Movie 14's power up sequence is a composite of the energy giving scenes in Lord Slug and GT. The jobbers give Goku their energy, which makes Goku way stronger than should logically be possible and lets him get a new level of kaio-ken.

Or, it could be how they wrote the story. I believe that Goku was the strongest in the Manga, apparently Toei does too, made movies based on that logic. Saying Toei bullshit is dismissive because you can't come up with a valid theory.

[TheMightyOzaru]

You know, I bolded the topic statement for a reason.

But it's not toei bullshit. It's just bad direction that makes all the characters feel like Yamcha. Toei bullshit is something that shouldn't be possible but somehow is. What I stated is the direction they are going with these characters and how thinking anyone else getting any special spot light like Goku is wishful thinking. It's not toei bullshit logic, it's just a boring direction.

That's still an Out-Of-Universe perspective. I said keep in mind this was an In-Universe topic.

You know what I meant.

No, I don't.

Seriously? I said this is an In-Universe topic, I said I wanted a no bull shit answer and I said I wanted theories. It's not hard to understand what I'm looking for. If you wanna bash SSJ God, by all means go for it, just do it elsewhere.

[Marco Polo]

Randomguy96's first post was interesting and relevant. He drew a comparison between SSJ God and similar huge powerups previously seen in the franchise to provide material to the discussion.

Anyway, I don't think there HAS to be a specific reason as to why SSJ God is such a huge powerup. Even just the SSJ transformation is odd, in that a rage somehow turns your hair yellow and your eyes green and increase your power by a unprecedented factor. Oozau, SSJ, and SSJ God are simply things that come with the Saiyan physiology.

[RandomGuy96]

Seriously? I said this is an In-Universe topic, I said I wanted a no bull shit answer and I said I wanted theories. It's not hard to understand what I'm looking for. If you wanna bash SSJ God, by all means go for it, just do it elsewhere.

You wanted to hear other people's thoughts and theories for why SSG as as strong as it is. I gave you mine: my theory is just that it works like every other example of Toei energy sharing ever. No complaints, just simple logic I came up with by citing the other movies. Donating the energy made Goku randomly a bajillion times stronger because the same thing happened in GT and Movie 8, and it let Goku have a never before seen power up that he'll probably never use again because the same thing happened in Movie 4.

[Dr. Machismo]

Well, it's a Super Saiyan GOD. Of course it'd be powerful?

Why is there Ki? Why are there Saiyans? Why can people fly?