Mystic Gohan limitations?
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I think you're thinking far too into it. He wasn't even willing to fight while his friends and father were being pulverized by the Cell Juniors, he just kept protesting Cell to stop hurting them. He didn't start fighting until Android 16 was destroyed, a guy who he didn't even know.
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Well, Gohan never showed liking fighting in the manga. He trained & then fought against the Saiyans because they forced him too, and he went to Namek & fought to bring back Piccolo, etc, and to protect himself. With Cell, he had grown up & matured more, so he tried to solve things with words rather than actions.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Actually he was forced to fight Nappa, against Vegeta he came back on his own free will.
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And he was forced to fight because Vegeta would kill his father & destroy the Earth.Kid Buu wrote:Actually he was forced to fight Nappa, against Vegeta he came back on his own free will.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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And Cell wouldn't?
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Gohan wasn't mature enough to even think of solving it through words, and Vegeta was more deadly than Cell. Plus, Gohan told Cell that he didn't want to fight because Gohan knew that if he were to get angry, he would definitely surpass Cell, and kill him, and Gohan didn't want to do that.Kid Buu wrote:And Cell wouldn't?
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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He had no problem killing a soldier when he first arrived on Namek.
It's possible that he decided that communication was more effective than fighting, but even then it's still poor execution because Toriyama did not show the transition.
It's possible that he decided that communication was more effective than fighting, but even then it's still poor execution because Toriyama did not show the transition.
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He was 5 back then, while he was 11 against Cell. Like I said, he was more mature.Kid Buu wrote:He had no problem killing a soldier when he first arrived on Namek.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Yeah and you're still missing the point here. It's still not a very good execution if Toriyama didn't show the transition on a narrative level. Plenty of people age and show no signs of maturing, Goku is arguably a perfect example of this.
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Well yeah, it was a sudden transition, and it could have been done much better. I agree on that.Kid Buu wrote:Yeah and you're still missing the point here. It's still not a very good execution if Toriyama didn't show the transition on a narrative level.
Goku didn't grow up normally though, he spend nearly all of his boyhood on the wild alone, and he is also stupid & uneducated. Gohan was raised by his mother, and he was very educated, which allowed him to mature normally.Kid Buu wrote:Plenty of people age and show no signs of maturing, Goku is arguably a perfect example of this.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Well then if you agree with that it proves my original point that it was poorly executed.
I like Dragon Ball as much as the next guy here but Toriyama makes up the story on a whim and has a tendency to forget things. I don't think his way of bringing Gohan to the spotlight in the Cell Games was handled too well. Perhaps even Toriyama might have agreed, as he later admitted that it ultimately did not work out.
That being said I don't dislike Gohan, but feel that Toriyama had lost his way with handling his character at one point. At least he got some highlights with his character growth in the Saiyaman arc and his two excellent battles with Super Buu. Moreso in the anime than in the manga.
Ooh, we should probably get back on-topic, haha.
I like Dragon Ball as much as the next guy here but Toriyama makes up the story on a whim and has a tendency to forget things. I don't think his way of bringing Gohan to the spotlight in the Cell Games was handled too well. Perhaps even Toriyama might have agreed, as he later admitted that it ultimately did not work out.
That being said I don't dislike Gohan, but feel that Toriyama had lost his way with handling his character at one point. At least he got some highlights with his character growth in the Saiyaman arc and his two excellent battles with Super Buu. Moreso in the anime than in the manga.
Ooh, we should probably get back on-topic, haha.
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Re: Mystic Gohan limitations?
If Gohan were able to use his Super Saiyan transformations in conjunction with his unlocked ability and didn't, then it'd make them the largest idiot in my eyes - even if he is my favorite character. Since he never did it or it was never shown, I'm inclined to believe that its either largely pointless and highly dangerous considering he might lose strength, or that he simply can't use the transformations anymore. As for your second question, I'm pretty sure if U. Gohan had managed to defeat Super Buu w/Gotenks, Uub would still exist. I don't think that Uub was merely spawned from Goku asking/hoping for a challenge from a purer version of Buu, just that if Buu were to die in any manifestation, that he would reincarnate into Uub.Revolution wrote:When The elder kai unlocks gohans hidden powers is he at his maximum full power? Unable to turn super Saiyan or at least super Saiyan giving no increase on his power?
It's just that if he was able to turn super Saiyan with all that power he would surely have done so once Buu absorbed gotenks and piccolo?
And how different things could have turned out if Gohan had bested him? Perhaps Uub would never have been without Goku's request and that could have created a whole new set of problems..?
What are your opinions?