When The elder kai unlocks gohans hidden powers is he at his maximum full power? Unable to turn super Saiyan or at least super Saiyan giving no increase on his power?
It's just that if he was able to turn super Saiyan with all that power he would surely have done so once Buu absorbed gotenks and piccolo?
And how different things could have turned out if Gohan had bested him? Perhaps Uub would never have been without Goku's request and that could have created a whole new set of problems..?
What are your opinions?
Mystic Gohan limitations?
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Re: Mystic Gohan limitations?
Well, if your implicit question is, "does Gohan have any more secret powerups left", then the answer is only known to Toeiyama. 
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Re: Mystic Gohan limitations?
Didn't Toriyama say recently that there is no limits in DB? Or did he say Goku and Vegeta always strive to get stronger.
Re: Mystic Gohan limitations?
Maybe he got his power released to its current limits, and if he trains he will get more power to access.
Gohan's problem all along was about how much hidden power he had, and how he didn't know how to bring it out.
I think that a more skilled and experienced fighter such as Goku would be able to figure how to access the power without the Ultimate power up (and he actually did when it came to Gohan's SSj2).
I believe that there always is room for improvement. A fighter at moment X has limitations where he can only be strong to a certain amount. But it takes training to increase the amount of ki in the body, which is what I believe is the case.
Also, I believe that the SSJ forms are just another way to be able to reach some of your hidden power as well, but that is another story.
Gohan's problem all along was about how much hidden power he had, and how he didn't know how to bring it out.
I think that a more skilled and experienced fighter such as Goku would be able to figure how to access the power without the Ultimate power up (and he actually did when it came to Gohan's SSj2).
I believe that there always is room for improvement. A fighter at moment X has limitations where he can only be strong to a certain amount. But it takes training to increase the amount of ki in the body, which is what I believe is the case.
Also, I believe that the SSJ forms are just another way to be able to reach some of your hidden power as well, but that is another story.
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Re: Mystic Gohan limitations?
He can still get stronger through training, but he won't get enormous power-ups. He can still get stronger, but at a much slower pace.
But if we count GT, he could try to turn Super Saiyan 4, which is stronger than his Ultimate state. Perhaps if he was to unlock the power of Super Saiyan 4, his Ultimate state will get even stronger than his Enraged SS4?
But if we count GT, he could try to turn Super Saiyan 4, which is stronger than his Ultimate state. Perhaps if he was to unlock the power of Super Saiyan 4, his Ultimate state will get even stronger than his Enraged SS4?
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Re: Mystic Gohan limitations?
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:He can still get stronger through training, but he won't get enormous power-ups. He can still get stronger, but at a much slower pace.
But if we count GT, he could try to turn Super Saiyan 4, which is stronger than his Ultimate state. Perhaps if he was to unlock the power of Super Saiyan 4, his Ultimate state will get even stronger than his Enraged SS4?
So is he basically powered up completely? With super Saiyan having no affect then? Or has he just become incredibly
Powerful and he just fought at base form powered up because he was so much stronger already?
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Re: Mystic Gohan limitations?
The Super Saiyan forms are stated to draw power from the user's dormant power, and Rou Kaioshin drew out his dormant power far, far, faaa~aaar beyond its limits.Revolution wrote:So is he basically powered up completely? With super Saiyan having no affect then?
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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He can get stronger...but I don't think he can have his potential drawn out again...new potential will probably manifest though.
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Re: Mystic Gohan limitations?
The 'Elder Kai power up' was said to have taken Gohan's powers far beyond their natural limit. So, if we're taking that literally at face-value, then his strength post-ritual is higher than any level of power he could have accrued in his lifetime through natural means, which I suppose means any form of conventional training method. I'd stop short of saying that it also includes Super Saiyan power-ups, as they're referred to as being unnatural (or at least out of the ordinary) at multiple points in the manga.
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He no longer has Super Saiyan, or any need to train. He can never grow stronger in any appreciable way, because he has no more untapped potential.
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Neither did anyone else after their latent powers were brought out, but potential seems to have a way of accumulating after the fact. Like for all the training you do there's some untapped strength that you didn't reach. Vegeta's potential was also drawn out "beyond his/its limits" but he continued to train after Boo's defeat and will "soon show Goku defeat." Even if actually defeating Goku was all talk, I'm betting he still managed to get stronger.Rocketman wrote:because he has no more untapped potential.
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Re: Mystic Gohan limitations?
Battle of Gods and GT seem to say otherwise. Furthermore, if it counts for anything, the GT perfect files state that Gohan never stopped training in years after Majin Buu's defeat.Rocketman wrote:He no longer has Super Saiyan, or any need to train.
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Well yeah, because they have to suck Goku's cock.Blade wrote:Battle of Gods and GT seem to say otherwise.
"You know that super special awesome godly pwoerup? Well Gohan got even stronger...BUT GOKU IS STRONGER STILL! GOKUUUUUUUUU *moist*"
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They already ruined Gohan's character by making him inept unless he has someone to hold his hand (most of the time, Goku).Rocketman wrote:Well yeah, because they have to suck Goku's cock.Blade wrote:Battle of Gods and GT seem to say otherwise.
"You know that super special awesome godly pwoerup? Well Gohan got even stronger...BUT GOKU IS STRONGER STILL! GOKUUUUUUUUU *moist*"
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Re: Mystic Gohan limitations?
He's the main protagonist, I'm not sure why you find the consequences of that upon his role in the plot of Battle of Gods surprising. Goku is actually absent from the majority of the film - his screen time is relatively low in comparison to episodes of Dragonball GT, for example, which tend to specifically follow Goku's narrative instead of a wider number of threads like Dragonball Z does.Rocketman wrote: "You know that super special awesome godly pwoerup? Well Gohan got even stronger...BUT GOKU IS STRONGER STILL! GOKUUUUUUUUU *moist*"
Incidentally, if we're going by Battle of Gods, Vegeta appears to also surpass (or be already stronger than) Gohan in strength. If you're going to suggest a writing-agenda towards Goku purely on the grounds of character strength within the film, which frankly sounds a little ridiculous - then perhaps it's best to include Vegeta within that too.
Also, far be it from me to tell people how to conduct themselves on the forum, but are there not other, less crude, ways to emphasise your point?
You don't do yourself, or the argument you're trying to make, any favours by using such a turn of phrase.Well yeah, because they have to suck Goku's cock.
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Are we blaming Goku for Gohan completely sucking as a main character now?
All this whining about Gohan... it's Goku's show.
All this whining about Gohan... it's Goku's show.
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No, I blame Toriyama for bad writing. He made Gohan a whiny bitch at the Cell Games despite all of his character development in the Saiyan-Namek arc was supposed to be about getting over that.Vice wrote:Are we blaming Goku for Gohan completely sucking as a main character now?
All this whining about Gohan... it's Goku's show.
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How is Gohan a 'whiny bitch' for disliking to fight? He's not a pure Saiyan - he doesn't relish the thrill of combat like his father, that's the whole point. It's about Gohan's humanity, and that implies anything but bad writing - would you have preferred him to be the same and thereby equally as one dimensional as every other fighter?Kid Buu wrote:No, I blame Toriyama for bad writing. He made Gohan a whiny bitch at the Cell Games
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Okay "whiny bitch" is definitely going too far but I enjoyed Gohan's initial character of having the same amount of talent as his father but not the enthusiasm for it. However, the Saiyan arc already built up his character development of getting over that. With his refusal to fight Cell in the Cell Games, Toriyama basically regressed all of that development and poorly executed Gohan in the main role. For example, I really can't imagine Gohan pulling his I don't like to fight motto on Recoome or Freeza.
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Gohan always fought to defend his friends, not for himself or because someone told him to. His refusal to fight in the Cell games was a refusal to fight in a 'tournament' set up purely for Cell to entertain himself and flex his muscles - it was pointless - but at the point where Cell began to endanger the people he cared about he then chose to fight.Kid Buu wrote:Okay "whiny bitch" is definitely going too far but I enjoyed Gohan's initial character of having the same amount of talent as his father but not the enthusiasm for it. However, the Saiyan arc already built up his character development of getting over that. With his refusal to fight Cell in the Cell Games, Toriyama basically regressed all of that development and poorly executed Gohan in the main role. For example, I really can't imagine Gohan pulling his I don't like to fight motto on Recoome or Freeza.
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