What would you change about Dragon Ball GT?

[B]

Maybe this isn't a fair complaint, as it stems for certain sects of the fanbase, but I couldn't be less interested in the origins of the Saiyans or Planet Plant/Vegeta/Tsufru. So the entirety of the Baby arc has to be taken out or completely rewritten. I don't see why Dr. Myuu couldn't have remained the leading antagonist.

... And it's just now occurring to me how completely out there the arc is to begin with. One of the Black Star Dragon Balls just winds up on a planet that is the result of a Tsufrian systemically plotting revenge against the Saiyans? Baby doesn't come to Earth; Goku and the others instigate it by arriving on M2. It's a ridiculous coincidence.

[Hellspawn28]

- Have Goku turn back to normal after Bebi
- Ditch Super 17 and give us a original villain instead
- If they are going to release all Hell on Earth then give more screen time for the villains. I like the scene where Nappa and Vegeta meet each other
- Make Ubb more useful after the Bebi saga
- Have Ubb or Goten to Space with Goku and Trunks
- Have each Z fighter fight a Shadow Dragon
- Have be born Yi Xing Long be born from Oolong's wish for a pair of underwear instead. It would make more sense to have him be the eldest of all seven Shadow Dragons and be born from the first then since he's the one star dragon. Not to mention the idea of a wish for underwear giving birth to the most powerful force in the universe would make things more interesting. It would be cool to have him to tie with Emperor Pilaf since Pilaf is the first villain of the series and Super Yi Xing Long is the last.

[ABED]

Maybe this isn't a fair complaint, as it stems for certain sects of the fanbase, but I couldn't be less interested in the origins of the Saiyans or Planet Plant/Vegeta/Tsufru. So the entirety of the Baby arc has to be taken out or completely rewritten. I don't see why Dr. Myuu couldn't have remained the leading antagonist.

... And it's just now occurring to me how completely out there the arc is to begin with. One of the Black Star Dragon Balls just winds up on a planet that is the result of a Tsufrian systemically plotting revenge against the Saiyans? Baby doesn't come to Earth; Goku and the others instigate it by arriving on M2. It's a ridiculous coincidence.

Was it a coincidence? Does anyone else recall if the DB was on M2 or if it was brought there.

[Saiga]

Maybe this isn't a fair complaint, as it stems for certain sects of the fanbase, but I couldn't be less interested in the origins of the Saiyans or Planet Plant/Vegeta/Tsufru. So the entirety of the Baby arc has to be taken out or completely rewritten. I don't see why Dr. Myuu couldn't have remained the leading antagonist.

... And it's just now occurring to me how completely out there the arc is to begin with. One of the Black Star Dragon Balls just winds up on a planet that is the result of a Tsufrian systemically plotting revenge against the Saiyans? Baby doesn't come to Earth; Goku and the others instigate it by arriving on M2. It's a ridiculous coincidence.

I guess that would make it easy to take out the Tsufrian revenge plot, then. Instead of the backstory with Saiyans and stuff, Myuu is just a guy who wants to conquer the universe and after seeing the strength of Goku's group Baby realizes the best way to start would be to use his abilities to take over them and use their strength to achieve that goal. Then he eventually ends up on Earth after his plot against Goku fails and things go from there.

[petronka101]

I haven't watched GT in a while and even then I only watched it once, so my memory is a little rusty, but from what I remember, I'd say change this:

-Don't turn Goku into a child. As somebody who started watching Dragon Ball from the very first episode, this annoyed me to no end. It was the equivalent of going back to first grade after finishing high school.
-Have Trunks, Goten and Maroon go into space instead of Pan. Pan could've waited a lot more episodes before being introduced as a relevant element in the plot, let people get used to her character and then make tweaks to her personality to make her more likeable, borrow a trick from DBZ's book and consider fan's reaction before trying to give her any relevant role.
-Let Maroon be Bulma's apprentice and provide inventions for the team, or something like that, just give a nod to 18 and Krillin fans. In other words, let Maroon be part of the action even if she doesn't participate on the fights. Make her interesting like her mother, instead of this dimwit blond (which is by the way, another negative stereotype) that got on a lot people's nerves.
-Instead of making Android 17 the villain, give him the opportunity to redeem himself. Follow the DBZ theme and make him sacrifice for someone he really cares about, maybe his niece? (just make sure it doesn't turn out creepy). I know there are a lot of 17 fans who hate GT for the way 17 was slaughtered. He is, after all a beloved character for a lot of people.
-Black Star Dragon Saga needs to be more serious, period.
-Have Bra inherit Vegeta's personality, instead of being this forgettable bimbo that might as well have being the love child of Bulma and Yamcha. No hate for Yamcha, but his personality is kinda bland.

[ErikB]

Some good ideas in here I hadn't considered before, so I might go ahead and borrow some...
-First thing's first, Last House is out; honestly their GT stuff looks slightly better than their late Z stuff, but it's still really bad.
-Doga Kobo is either out or gets additional time to train their artists to draw the characters properly.
-Pan gets to become a Super Saiyan during the Black Star Dragon Ball hunt. I'm gonna go against the grain and say I actually really like Pan in design and personality, I just hate that she's nothing but a plot device in practice.
-Cover my bases (i.e. consider plotholes and how to avoid/fix them). For instance, give Kaio at least a passing line to the effect of "The red star balls have no power over the black star balls" because, as it is, there's no reason they couldn't have just wished for the black star balls to be relocated to Earth, solving the entire first arc in an afternoon.
Also, include reasonable time jumps in the Baby saga that actually account for the supposed year that takes place between him wishing for a new Planet Plant and him being defeated. The way the arc actually plays out, it takes maybe a week at max, but afterwards, "It's totally been a whole year because...because."
-Foreshadowing. I like Baby and Dr. Myuu, but as said their involvement is an absurdly massive coincidence in-universe. Bring Myuu in earlier somehow, even just with him unseen but his influence being present and hints at a larger plan that the heroes are getting inadvertently tangled up in.
-Characters other than Goku get to defeat the occasional real villain and not just the cannon fodder. Goku can have his most major villains (Baby, Super 17, Yi Xing Long) but give Pan, Trunks, and the remaining fighters on Earth something significant.
-On that note, I really like the idea of a different Z-fighter defeating each Shadow Dragon, so I'm gonna borrow that.
-Expand Uub's role. Maybe swap out Trunks with Uub in the first arc.
-More interesting fight choreography.
-Also going to borrow that Goku's achieving of Super Saiyan 4 keeps him an adult. Yeah, it's a bit macguffin-y but the form is already apparently magic (pants) so I can accept that. Plus we don't have to deal with the potential repeat of the first arc that would be caused by using the black star balls to wish Goku back to his correct age.
-Give Vegeta a character arc in which he achieves Super Saiyan 4 that doesn't completely undo his development in the Buu saga.
-And finally, reiterating what I said from another thread, give it an English dub with at least Blue Water level of faithfulness and with FUNimation's voice cast. Anybody who suggests replacing Tokunaga's score gets waterboarded.

I could probably say plenty more up to the point where the show would be thoroughly rewritten, but I think I've hit what are my most major points.

[Zephyr]

I'd change how the first arc starts. I wouldn't have a second set of Dragon Balls, I'd just have all the screwy shit that happens (flying into space, planetary catastrophe, etc), be the penultimate result of negative energy in the Dragon Balls building up too much. The craziness would go down because Goku and Uub collect the Dragon Balls as part of Uub's training. Dragon afflicts Goku with some kind of curse, which stunts his power and his size. Dragon Balls fly off into space, Goku, Pan, and Uub follow after them.

Things can go normal from here (you know, without stupid things like off the wall strength comparisons and Gohan going SSj), and SSj4 breaks the curse (through sheer power I guess?) and makes him an adult again. Piccolo doesn't die. No Uub+Buu fusion.

The Super 17 arc doesn't exist.

Dende seals the Dragon Balls away (could tie into DBO here) at the Lookout.

Next arc opens with Pilaf going up there and summoning the Dragon. This is what unleashes the Evil Dragons.

Gotenks can take one out.
Gohan can take one out.
Uub can take one out.
Mr. Buu and Pan can take one out together.
Krillin, #17, and #18 can take one out together.
Tenshinhan, Yamcha, Chaozu, and Piccolo can take one out together.
Goku and Vegeta can take the strongest one out together.

Or some other kind of ensemble cast balancing all of each characters' best abilities.

Once they're all "defeated", they fuse into one Dragon, requiring the effort of everyone above to finish off.

[SingleFringe&Sparks]

I'm surprised so many people seem to dislike Goku as a child. I don't mind it, but I don't think I would've continued it after he turned SS4. As for Pan, I don't find her as annoying as some, but there's still plenty of room for improvement. Her interactions with Giru made me laugh and were sweet at times. However, I think that could be a good arc for her - to see her go from bratty teen to mature young woman.

From a lot of the comments that hate that aspect of GT, its either from Z-Fanboys who never liked the original Dragonball, people who hate it JUST because Akira didnt write it... or people who just look for reasons to hate GT regardless: which are a lot of people outside this site.

However I actually didnt mind Goku being a kid again. He was still just as intelligent and experienced as he was as an adult, he still fought like his adult self (SSJ3 Goku vs Super Baby 3) and he still had his adult mind. Where as the humour was very much reminecent if Dragonball. It was a great idea of both world... it was also step 1 into it. Step 2 would be brining his tail back, and since he was a kid his tail cells were to my assumption young enough to reform like Gohans but needed help due to it receeding.

It didnt really ruin anything about him but was a plot device that could have opened a lot of doors. It was an interesting idea as well. It gave Goku a reason for needing to find a form past SSJ3 because his tiny undeveloped body couldnt support it. That sounded like a fair reason to me. Its better than him just declaing it with no physical support of that setback. Him being a kid did a lot.
It also could have been the opportunity for Pan to learn to fight in his place until his strength returned but it wasnt. GT should have made the early planet exploration arc solely about training Pan as Goku mentors backseat. Then when they got to earth, SSJ4 arc.

Pan could have been the character to introduce either female Saiyan ability traits exclusive to her and bra OR pan could have just gotten the Kaioken (without the muscle mass) and she could have been useful. She was just poorly used in GT, not a tragety like Bra was.

I guess that would make it easy to take out the Tsufrian revenge plot, then. Instead of the backstory with Saiyans and stuff, Myuu is just a guy who wants to conquer the universe and after seeing the strength of Goku's group Baby realizes the best way to start would be to use his abilities to take over them and use their strength to achieve that goal. Then he eventually ends up on Earth after his plot against Goku fails and things go from there.

Why take out an actually relevant revenge plot to the overall mithos for another generic "Goku is strong, lets kill him" plot? I'd be all for backstories for existing characters in order to fill the gaps and tie up loose ends. The origin of the sayians would build upon the universe even more so, for all we could have known. Myuu could have had ties with Freeza in someway thus why he was spared and revealed at this point.
Baby seemed to be the ONLY DBZ villain next to Freeza and Cell that actually had a reason to do what they did and not just a "wild____ appeared" typed villain.

[KentalSSJ6]

Off the top of my head id ditch Oozaru Bebi Vegeta for Super Bebi Vegeta 3

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Besides that id keep Goku a adult.

Give Vegeta, Uub, and the boys a villain to fight while Goku is in space, or simply add Uub to Goku's crew while searching for the balls, giving him more chances to prove himself and test abilities.

Use Metalwario's SSJ4 re-design

Spoiler:

Add a adult Gotenks and have him fight Super 17 instead of Goku as well as helping Gogeta against Omega.

Remove the whole Spirit Bomb killing Omega in exchange for a full power combined attack by Gogeta and Gotenks.

Take a page out of DBO with the ending where Goku and Vegeta leave earth to settle their score and finally leave Earth to everyone else.
Remove any and all scenes of Gohan going SSJ, keeping him Mystic/Chou/Ultimate.

Give Goten and Trunks at least SSJ2.

I'm sure I'm forgetting a few things but thats all I can remember at the moment.

[SingleFringe&Sparks]

Ehhh.. I never thought the SSJ3 look fit Vegeta. Seldom is the hair ever done in a way where it don't make him look like a hedgehog....

I'm fine with Oozaru Bebi vegeta, there was a symbolic point to it. It was part of the reinactment of the Tsuful x Saiyan war. It made sense.





> About Goku SSJ4 with Brown fur.... though very logical, it looks ugly.... his body looks too much like a coconut.
Really though it doesnt really look like hes a "super" Saiyan at all in that design, maybe its too much dark colouring?

> And Omega Should have died the moment the Dragonfist burst through his chest. It seemed like the perfect K.O to me, and in an ironic way. His Buu-like regenerationthough was my gripe. It was very very out of place, if anything he should have reappeared the way Harudigarn did. Out of a misty dark tornado, I mean he IS a shadow dragon made of pure shadow energy so... duh? Him also getting all the power from the other dragons would have been a bigger deal if the other dragons werent so uselessly weak. Their powers wouldnt have nor did it help him in the slightest.

[Hellspawn28]

I think they did the whole Bebi Oozaru thing since they probably wanted to do a throw back to Goku vs. Vegeta from the early DBZ days. To me, the whole fight between SSj4 Goku and Bebi Vegeta felt like a rehash of the Goku vs. Vegeta. I also think we didn't need another Goku vs. Vegeta fight since they already fought twice in DBZ.

[InfernalVegito]

And Omega Should have died the moment the Dragonfist burst through his chest. It seemed like the perfect K.O to me, and in an ironic way.

Ironic? Yes. The Dragonfist killing the ultimate evil dragon, but I disagree that it would be the perfect ending to the series. The final malevolence deserves an epic and grand ending, which the Universal Genkidama delivered. Taking into account the glorious music along with it, it fits perfectly. It just goes to show how much of a titanic threat Yi Xing Long actually was.

His Buu-like regeneration was very out of place, if anything he should have reappeared the way Harudigarn did. Out of a misty dark tornadow, I mean he IS a shadow dragon made of pure evil energy so... duh?

With that I agree, though.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

His Buu-like regeneration was very out of place, if anything he should have reappeared the way Harudigarn did. Out of a misty dark tornadow, I mean he IS a shadow dragon made of pure evil energy so... duh?

With that I agree, though.

I agree that the smoke would have probably fit him better, but it's not like the goo regeneration illogically came form nowhere. It was Wǔ Xīng Long's slime ability.

[InfernalVegito]

His Buu-like regeneration was very out of place, if anything he should have reappeared the way Harudigarn did. Out of a misty dark tornadow, I mean he IS a shadow dragon made of pure evil energy so... duh?

With that I agree, though.

I agree that the smoke would have probably fit him better, but it's not like the goo regeneration illogically came form nowhere. It was Wǔ Xīng Long's slime ability.

I know. It's just that visually it looked exactly like Boo's one. They might have designed that differently to make it simply different.

[Fizzer]

Non-Goku characters would have larger roles. Pan, Uub, Maron and Bra would all have decent sized roles to play, although Maron probably wouldn't be a fighter.

Goku doesn't turn into a kid. I don't mind Goku turning into a kid, although I do think SSJ4 should have permanently undone that, and that his tail should have regrown naturally because he's a child again, but I have other plans:

Baby takes over Goku's body, not Vegeta's. Baby rejects Vegeta and simply wants to kill him because he's the prince, Goku's nothing but a powerful body. Vegeta is the final hero of the baby arc. Using Goku's body Baby can go SSJGod. Things with Vegeta going SSJ4 play out similarly to how they did with Goku, with Bra playing Pan's role. When Vegeta stares up at the Earth, before he transforms, I'd have him think about how after all those years he finally found a new home, and now this one would be destroyed too.

SSJ4 isn't actually SSJ4. It's the power of the super ozaru brought under control and mastered, and made usable without the size. It's a power-up that renders Vegeta equal to SSJG Goku, and leaves his SSJ forms useless like Gohan's. It seems right for him to have it, it's such a "saiyan" power, and his true realization as the prince of Saiyans.

Alternatively Vegeta could just go SSJG after all the Saiyans other than Baby Goku are converted back, and not introduce a new form.

17 isn't the main villain of the Hell arc. He's involved in some way, maybe Gero and Myuu try to turn him into a villain but he overcomes it. 17, 18 and Uub take the victory against the big bad. I'm letting other characters have some glory, but Goku will still get the grand finale, as he should.

Maybe I'd have the black star dragon balls just be the normal dragon balls starting to suffer from over-use. They are used at the start of GT, then again by Baby, then the Z-warriors risk using them one more time against Elder Kaio's warnings, ready to capture them before they fly into space, in order to bring people back to life after the Hell arc, and the Shadow Dragons happen.

Every Shadow Dragon would be a threat, and they would all be taken out by different people, pretty much. There would be say three groups of fighters out looking for them.

[Flamzeron]

I didn't like how they made Goku a child again. I never saw the point. Sure, he's old, but he's not feeble.

I also think the Super 17 arc could use a rehaul. While bringing back all the villains is cool in theory, it's been done before and didn't take advantage of old rivalries, save for Vegeta and Nappa. Plus, I think bringing Dr. Myuu back was stupid. I know it had been a good while since the Baby arc, time within the show wise, but it hadn't been that long since he showed up. I think it would have been better to introduce a new scientist.

[DBZAOTA482]

Non-Goku characters would have larger roles. Pan, Uub, Maron and Bra would all have decent sized roles to play, although Maron probably wouldn't be a fighter.

What can Maron do? Stand around dumb-founded as the villain ogle her?

[Metalwario64]

Well, one thing I'd have done would have been axe Last house.

Man, their work in GT was abysmal.




Oh, and of course, all of this shit:

[RocktheDragon]

Was just having this conversation with my wife late last night before bed (lol I know). She brought up what so many of you already have: Goku should have been an adult in GT! She mentioned that it was very odd to have to see Goku regress into a child (but simultaneously not be a child...) I wonder what led Toei to make this decision, have there ever been any public comments on this decision to make Goku a child again?

[Fizzer]

They seemed to be trying to cash in on the nostalgia, with the Dragon Ball hunt, the humour in the early episodes and kid Goku.