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Re: Swear words

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Tue Jan 28, 2014 6:21 pm

What swear words are there in the original? I remember "damn", "shit", "bastard", and I think "fuck(ing)".
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Re: Swear words

Post by KentalSSJ6 » Tue Jan 28, 2014 6:31 pm

The 4 cornerstones of anime swearing are the following.

*Damn

*Hell

*Ass

*Bastard

Anything beyond those 4 is too excessive for me. I dont need to hear Goku, Ichigo, or Naruto dropping f-bombs or anything.
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Re: Swear words

Post by Karrit » Tue Jan 28, 2014 9:44 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:What swear words are there in the original? I remember "damn", "shit", "bastard", and I think "fuck(ing)".
Technically shit could be in the original version. If a character utters "Kuso!", it literally means feces, so it could be translated as "Shit!" or "Crap!".

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Re: Swear words

Post by ABED » Tue Jan 28, 2014 9:53 pm

Damn, hell, and the occasional bastard don't feel forced in Kai, but if they ever say "shit" or "fuck" it would feel like it was trying to sound cool and adult like it does in Yu Yu Hakusho's dub.
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Re: Swear words

Post by Hellspawn28 » Wed Jan 29, 2014 12:23 am

I don't think we need these type of words in DB. Usif F bombs does not make the show more mature like Anime Labs try to do back in the day. I find the swearing in DBZ to be okay and it's no different then what you hear in PG-13 movies. Even some PG movies can get away with swear words like shit.
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Re: Swear words

Post by KentalSSJ6 » Wed Jan 29, 2014 12:46 am

Coincidentally I like when Vegeta says pissed or pissing in the english dub of Kai. The way Sabat says it just gets to me, really emphasizes how well...pissed Vegeta is at the time.
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Re: Swear words

Post by Codarik » Wed Jan 29, 2014 1:02 am

I still can't get used to hearing Sean Schemmel cursing. After many years of hearing "Super Hero" Goku, it just doesn't feel right to me. Personally I'm ok if a character curses if they are angry, but not ok if they curse casually.

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Re: Swear words

Post by B » Wed Jan 29, 2014 1:18 am

The Buu arc of Kai is basically useless if Schemmel doesn't belt out some "DARN YOU"s.
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Re: Swear words

Post by LordCrumb » Wed Jan 29, 2014 1:49 am

I'm surprised most of you think 'Shit" is taking things too far..? It's harmless.

They say Shit in the original Japanese language don't they?

I'm more interested in hearing Sean say "Ain't". He hasn't said that in the English version yet has he? Goku uses it all the time too.

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Re: Swear words

Post by Metalwario64 » Wed Jan 29, 2014 2:20 am

LordCrumb wrote:I'm more interested in hearing Sean say "Ain't". He hasn't said that in the English version yet has he? Goku uses it all the time too.
He did a couple of times in the Cell arc. Also said things like "gonna", and "hafta".
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Re: Swear words

Post by WittyUsername » Wed Jan 29, 2014 8:55 am

LordCrumb wrote:I'm surprised most of you think 'Shit" is taking things too far..? It's harmless.

They say Shit in the original Japanese language don't they?

I'm more interested in hearing Sean say "Ain't". He hasn't said that in the English version yet has he? Goku uses it all the time too.
I'm not sure how things are in New Zealand, but in America "shit" is considered a more serious curse word than "hell" or "bastard".

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Re: Swear words

Post by Tanooki Kuribo » Wed Jan 29, 2014 11:47 am

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LordCrumb wrote:I'm surprised most of you think 'Shit" is taking things too far..? It's harmless.

They say Shit in the original Japanese language don't they?

I'm more interested in hearing Sean say "Ain't". He hasn't said that in the English version yet has he? Goku uses it all the time too.
I'm not sure how things are in New Zealand, but in America "shit" is considered a more serious curse word than "hell" or "bastard".
Yea, it is. "Hell" and "bastard" are said all the time on TV shows here with no problem, not in kids shows though.

Hmm, come to think of it, they did say "hell" in the old Muppet movies a few times...

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Re: Swear words

Post by B » Wed Jan 29, 2014 2:17 pm

"Shit" has become less and less taboo over time; most basic cable shows are allowed to say it after 9 PM. Of course, you're not going to hear it on a broadcast network like FOX or CBS, and definitely not in children's programming of the same ilk as Dragon Ball.

"Hell" and "bastard" are free game amongst adult programming on any channel. "Fuck" is for premium cable only, at least uncensored. I'm not sure of all the rules here; Dean Norris from Breaking Bad mentioned in an interview that AMC, the basic cable that aired the show, only allowed one "fuck" per season, and even then it has to be censored(uncensored on DVD? I haven't gotten around to collecting BrBa yet).

Pixar's Cars movie used "Hell" but that's a movie. I don't know if any TV airings have altered that line.
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Re: Swear words

Post by Hellspawn28 » Wed Jan 29, 2014 2:51 pm

I remember Short Circuit 2 was able to get away with the F word. Kids movies like Warriors of Virtue, Little Monsters and Beetlejuice have said shit before. I find shit to be harmless compare to fuck in my opinion.
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Re: Swear words

Post by TheBlackPaladin » Wed Jan 29, 2014 3:50 pm

Whether or not swear words are offensive or not is extremely subjective, especially if you take into account what George Carlin once said on the subject; that there are no such things as "bad words"...bad thoughts, bad intentions, but there's nothing wrong with words in and of themselves.

The FCC, however, feels differently. It seems to be their job to censor things according to what the most easily-offended person would find offensive. I mean, they thought Freeza had genitals.
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Re: Swear words

Post by TripleRach » Wed Jan 29, 2014 3:54 pm

Hellspawn28 wrote:I remember Short Circuit 2 was able to get away with the F word. Kids movies like Warriors of Virtue, Little Monsters and Beetlejuice have said shit before. I find shit to be harmless compare to fuck in my opinion.
I'm not familiar with the others, but Beetlejuice wasn't really a kids movie. Sure, it had a spinoff cartoon for kids, but so did every popular 80s movie. I have heard there were edited home releases of the Beetlejuice movie with the swearing censored, though.
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Re: Swear words

Post by WittyUsername » Wed Jan 29, 2014 3:59 pm

B wrote:"Shit" has become less and less taboo over time; most basic cable shows are allowed to say it after 9 PM. Of course, you're not going to hear it on a broadcast network like FOX or CBS, and definitely not in children's programming of the same ilk as Dragon Ball.

"Hell" and "bastard" are free game amongst adult programming on any channel. "Fuck" is for premium cable only, at least uncensored. I'm not sure of all the rules here; Dean Norris from Breaking Bad mentioned in an interview that AMC, the basic cable that aired the show, only allowed one "fuck" per season, and even then it has to be censored(uncensored on DVD? I haven't gotten around to collecting BrBa yet).

Pixar's Cars movie used "Hell" but that's a movie. I don't know if any TV airings have altered that line.
Well my point is, using the word "shit" on Dragon Ball which is supposed to be a kid's show just doesn't seem right.

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Re: Swear words

Post by BlazingFiddlesticks » Wed Jan 29, 2014 4:10 pm

The Funi Kai dub already swears too much, no need to punch it up with swears whose equivalents are never used in the Japanese to begin with.

Honestly, the mention of "cock" reminds me more of certain line-meshing youtube poops than something any serious anything would be saying.
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Re: Swear words

Post by dbzfan7 » Wed Jan 29, 2014 11:09 pm

Swear words aren't adult, using em constantly is juvenile. Sure I'm okay if it's what was really said, but to add in swear words to be edgy is stupid.
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Re: Swear words

Post by TheBlackPaladin » Thu Jan 30, 2014 12:26 am

dbzfan7 wrote:Swear words aren't adult, using em constantly is juvenile. Sure I'm okay if it's what was really said, but to add in swear words to be edgy is stupid.
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A "rather haggard" translation of a line from Future Gohan in DBZ, provided to FUNimation by Toei:
"To think of fighting that is this fun...so, it was pleasant fight, as many as, therefore is a feeling which is good the fight where."

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