Is King Piccolo a Superman?

[Gaffer Tape]

Writing wasn't invented until about 5000 years ago...

in that case monkey king is the oldest written story since 5 G's ago it was the 16th century.

I think you missed a discrepancy there. The 16th century was 500 years ago. 500 years and 5,000 years are slightly different. Also, I've never heard the letter G used as an abbreviation to a thousand in any context outside of money.

[Friezacooler]

Writing wasn't invented until about 5000 years ago...

in that case monkey king is the oldest written story since 5 G's ago it was the 16th century.

This is you pulling stuff out of your ass again. There are plenty of works older than Journey to the West, which you would know if you had done something as simple as googling "earliest stories," or something like that. Someone above already mentioned the Epic of Gilgamesh, which, while he was wrong in stating that it's the earliest known example of fictional work, it's still much older than Journey to the West.

except Hanuman definitely dates back written at the 8th century and the actual folklore much older and Monkey king probably 16th century while the actual folklore has been stated over 9000 years before 16th. and from what i understood the Epic of Gilgamesh is also from around the 8th century?.

[Kamiccolo9]

except Hanuman definitely dates back written at the 8th century and the actual folklore much older and Monkey king probably 16th century while the actual folklore has been stated over 9000 years before 16th. and from what i understood the Epic of Gilgamesh is also from around the 8th century?.

Gilgamesh was written around 2250 BCE. Almost 2,000 years earlier than the Indian literature that Hanuman appears in. The Monkey King is the main character in Journey to the West, which was not written until the 16th century CE, nearly 4 thousand years after Gilgamesh.

[RandomGuy96]

Obvious trolling is obvious.

Anyway, I also thought he was more like an evil Martian Manhunter. Learning that there actually were evil Martian Manhunters that were very similar to Daimao was quite interesting.

[FrogTrigger]

Obvious trolling is obvious.

Anyway, I also thought he was more like an evil Martian Manhunter. Learning that there actually were evil Martian Manhunters that were very similar to Daimao was quite interesting.

Yea it'd be cool to see MM dress like Piccolo for fun

Kinda off topic but I think Gohan would do pretty well in the justice league

I can see him pissing off lex Luthor lol

[flashback0180]

except Hanuman definitely dates back written at the 8th century and the actual folklore much older and Monkey king probably 16th century while the actual folklore has been stated over 9000 years before 16th. and from what i understood the Epic of Gilgamesh is also from around the 8th century?.

Gilgamesh was written around 2250 BCE. Almost 2,000 years earlier than the Indian literature that Hanuman appears in. The Monkey King is the main character in Journey to the West, which was not written until the 16th century CE, nearly 4 thousand years after Gilgamesh.

Actually the timeline is unsure many say it's around 4th century and many debate its 7th century.


But based on what i read there are much older stories originated from india.


Indians prayed the river goddess ganges and this was during the early indus-vally-period.
ganges is said to be part of Shiva, that means Shiva one of the first gods and his was stories were written even before. there are carving of him in the northern parts of mountain like nepal.

idk but it seems to be in a timeline before indus vally..

[Strife1]

I'm sorry, but LOL at people actually thinking they have to support their argument in arguing that the monkey King was not the oldest story. Just let him be.
Now I see that King Piccolo and Superman have many similarities, although Piccolo would've probably been about the equivalent to a 1940's era Superman. Let's see their powers
Superman has: Super Strength, Super Speed, Flight, Invulnerability, Superbreath?
Piccolo has: Super Strength, Super Speed, Flight, and a shitload of Ki techniques.
When people do these screw attacks, they're actually weakening Dragonball Z characters. They're being compared by the standard of the character they're facing. Meaning teir attacks aren't as powerful as they should be. Everyone focuses on physical, even speed, and all of those things, which makes Superman actually outclass Goku, but they forget the things that Goku has over Superman. Energy sensing and Ki. Goku can blow up a planet with ease towards the beginning/middle of these series. If he can do that then, and powerlevel correlates with Ki ability, then Superman honestly has no chance. The ScrewAttack was perfect, if Goku's Ki attacks were weak, but that's not the real case. Goku could disintegrate Superman. Maybe not in base, but definitely in Ssj. Goku on namek as a Ssj could destroy the planet earth at least 8,000 times if you believe Vegeta when he said he could destroy the earth. If not, he could destroy Planet Vegeta roughly 280 times. If you think Superman can survive that when Goku was nowhere near his peak, then idk what else to say.

[dario03]

I'm sorry, but LOL at people actually thinking they have to support their argument in arguing that the monkey King was not the oldest story. Just let him be.
Now I see that King Piccolo and Superman have many similarities, although Piccolo would've probably been about the equivalent to a 1940's era Superman. Let's see their powers
Superman has: Super Strength, Super Speed, Flight, Invulnerability, Superbreath?
Piccolo has: Super Strength, Super Speed, Flight, and a shitload of Ki techniques.
When people do these screw attacks, they're actually weakening Dragonball Z characters. They're being compared by the standard of the character they're facing. Meaning teir attacks aren't as powerful as they should be. Everyone focuses on physical, even speed, and all of those things, which makes Superman actually outclass Goku, but they forget the things that Goku has over Superman. Energy sensing and Ki. Goku can blow up a planet with ease towards the beginning/middle of these series. If he can do that then, and powerlevel correlates with Ki ability, then Superman honestly has no chance. The ScrewAttack was perfect, if Goku's Ki attacks were weak, but that's not the real case. Goku could disintegrate Superman. Maybe not in base, but definitely in Ssj. Goku on namek as a Ssj could destroy the planet earth at least 8,000 times if you believe Vegeta when he said he could destroy the earth. If not, he could destroy Planet Vegeta roughly 280 times. If you think Superman can survive that when Goku was nowhere near his peak, then idk what else to say.

So you're saying that anybody that picks any version of Superman to win against Goku in any fight comparison is weakening Goku? You don't think its possible that they just know about and/or interpret different aspects of the fictions differently then you? That's a bit of a stretch and I would say they didn't weaken Goku in the Screwattack video. And I'm pretty sure they did cover ki attacks and the stronger versions of Superman would survive since he has survived stars exploding and other crazy stuff like that. If anything they weakened Superman since Goku has been harmed physically by people no where near as strong as Superman, nor is Goku any where near as strong as Superman, so Superman could literally crush or rip Goku apart but instead they just had them throwing punches and kicks which lets people go on about lifting strength vs striking strength.

Oh and King Piccolo can't be Superman because I don't recall him working for a news company or chasing after Lois Lane.

[TenshiGokuu]

I'm sorry, but LOL at people actually thinking they have to support their argument in arguing that the monkey King was not the oldest story. Just let him be.
Now I see that King Piccolo and Superman have many similarities, although Piccolo would've probably been about the equivalent to a 1940's era Superman. Let's see their powers
Superman has: Super Strength, Super Speed, Flight, Invulnerability, Superbreath?
Piccolo has: Super Strength, Super Speed, Flight, and a shitload of Ki techniques.
When people do these screw attacks, they're actually weakening Dragonball Z characters. They're being compared by the standard of the character they're facing. Meaning teir attacks aren't as powerful as they should be. Everyone focuses on physical, even speed, and all of those things, which makes Superman actually outclass Goku, but they forget the things that Goku has over Superman. Energy sensing and Ki. Goku can blow up a planet with ease towards the beginning/middle of these series. If he can do that then, and powerlevel correlates with Ki ability, then Superman honestly has no chance. The ScrewAttack was perfect, if Goku's Ki attacks were weak, but that's not the real case. Goku could disintegrate Superman. Maybe not in base, but definitely in Ssj. Goku on namek as a Ssj could destroy the planet earth at least 8,000 times if you believe Vegeta when he said he could destroy the earth. If not, he could destroy Planet Vegeta roughly 280 times. If you think Superman can survive that when Goku was nowhere near his peak, then idk what else to say.

So you're saying that anybody that picks any version of Superman to win against Goku in any fight comparison is weakening Goku? You don't think its possible that they just know about and/or interpret different aspects of the fictions differently then you? That's a bit of a stretch and I would say they didn't weaken Goku in the Screwattack video. And I'm pretty sure they did cover ki attacks and the stronger versions of Superman would survive since he has survived stars exploding and other crazy stuff like that. If anything they weakened Superman since Goku has been harmed physically by people no where near as strong as Superman, nor is Goku any where near as strong as Superman, so Superman could literally crush or rip Goku apart but instead they just had them throwing punches and kicks which lets people go on about lifting strength vs striking strength.

Oh and King Piccolo can't be Superman because I don't recall him working for a news company or chasing after Lois Lane.

He is superman because they both come from different planet originally. superman comes from krypton and king piccolo comes from namek, and they are both modern civilizations, that pretty much have one of the strongest influences. piccolo and kami as both one person created DRAGON BALLS DUH!!! everyone including goku would have been wiped out long ago, dragon balls are the ultimate power why DBZ verse still exists.

[TenshiGokuu]

I suppose it also wouldn't be very productive to point out how "heat vision" and "ki beams from the eyes" are different things...

Dont forget that ki still has to have its own chemistry in it, especially since its visable there has to be its own molecules and different type of elements, which in a way its basicly a huge chunk of heat,light particles and electricity that become converted thru fussion process similar how a thermonuclear bomb or atomic bomb works, how else was it possible for frieza for example to concentrate such a small mass of matter and convert it into huge amount of energy a just a second that completely had enough power to vaporize a planet bigger than our earth.

[FrogTrigger]

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He is superman because they both come from different planet originally. superman comes from krypton and king piccolo comes from namek, and they are both modern civilizations, that pretty much have one of the strongest influences. piccolo and kami as both one person created DRAGON BALLS DUH!!! everyone including goku would have been wiped out long ago, dragon balls are the ultimate power why DBZ verse still exists.

Ehhh your comparison is kind of a stretch. He's got superman like powers, but also more esoteric gifts like Martian Manhunter. Piccolo and MM are also similar due to their societies being relatively peaceful and both end up being near slaughtered, green Martians by white, Namekians by Freeza and the PTO. Planet Vegeta got blown up, and well krypton imploded. Both goku and sues had atypical fathers in their species, and have human mates. Piccolo and MM don't .
Superman and Baku are compared because they're both generally the last of their race. That and they both fought members of their own race, goku vs. Raditz, Napa and Vegeta, Sues vs. Zod, Faora and Dr. VA-du. They're both saviors of the universe multiple times over and end up with godlike power.

[flashback0180]

And who said superman isn't a copy cat ...heck he was created by two teens in highschool.



Superman has been ripped off sooo many characters, no one remembers or cares because it has been over 75 years. Not to mention even the sups later concepts were ripp off of other comics like John Carter .

Complete with superhuman jump,strength and the stronger you get the further you go from your home planet concept.


Superman kept adding new powers in every issue ...there are dozens of powers that he copied from other comics.
It was only after they rebooted him that the powers have been in a bit constant.



Besides can superman do this

[Polyphase Avatron]

I suppose it also wouldn't be very productive to point out how "heat vision" and "ki beams from the eyes" are different things...

Dont forget that ki still has to have its own chemistry in it, especially since its visable there has to be its own molecules and different type of elements, which in a way its basicly a huge chunk of heat,light particles and electricity that become converted thru fussion process similar how a thermonuclear bomb or atomic bomb works, how else was it possible for Freeza for example to concentrate such a small mass of matter and convert it into huge amount of energy a just a second that completely had enough power to vaporize a planet bigger than our earth.

I'm not sure what you're talking about here, I've never seen ki in DBZ as a physical thing. We know it can emit heat and light, and generate concussive force, but also slicing/piercing/explosive, I don't think it really maps to any kind of real force known in physics.

[goku the krump dancer]

and both of them would easily loose to goku. who punches thru stars 10 times densier that earth.

http://www.screwattack.com/news/death-b ... s-superman

Tldr: SSJ2 Goku >> Superman > SSJ Goku

No one could ever "accurately calculate" Goku's capabilities. A lot of the statements regarding feats of strength are vague as hell and on top of that his "feats" arent really all that consistent.

[xmysticgohanx]

and both of them would easily loose to goku. who punches thru stars 10 times densier that earth.

http://www.screwattack.com/news/death-b ... s-superman

Tldr: SSJ2 Goku >> Superman > SSJ Goku

No one could ever "accurately calculate" Goku's capabilities. A lot of the statements regarding feats of strength are vague as hell and on top of that his "feats" arent really all that consistent.

It's the most accurate I've seen though.

[Kiyza]

And who said superman isn't a copy cat ...heck he was created by two teens in highschool.

Spoiler:

Superman has been ripped off sooo many characters, no one remembers or cares because it has been over 75 years. Not to mention even the sups later concepts were ripp off of other comics like John Carter .

Complete with superhuman jump,strength and the stronger you get the further you go from your home planet concept.


Superman kept adding new powers in every issue ...there are dozens of powers that he copied from other comics.
It was only after they rebooted him that the powers have been in a bit constant.



Besides can superman do this

Spoiler:

Most superheroes of the era were heavily influenced by pulp characters published around the same era -- that's almost certainly where the concept of the modern superhero originated from. Superman isn't the only one that's like this; characters like Batman were probably influenced by pulp heroes like The Shadow in particular. A few from the era a bit more derived, like the majority of the Justice Society of America, but that was because they were essentially all copying Superman since he caused a huge boom in the market for costumed heroes. Before that, there was really just some particular pulps (which weren't visual mediums, no were they child-oriented), The Phantom, and an instance or two involving Doctor Occult. In essence, it was one medium feeding off of another, somewhat similar form of entertainment, the main difference being that comics were generally for kids as opposed to adults, with exception of some, ah, underground "adult" comics. Oh, and John Carter of Mars? He was a pulp character long before a comic book character -- he was originally published in 1912, more than two decades before Superman.

Additionally, Superman's powers were pretty well ironed out before any continuity reboots. Crisis on Infinite Earths took place in the mid '80s, which was around the year the Dark Age of Comics began. Superman's overpowered silliness was something largely confined to the Silver Age. There's a Bronze Age in between the two of them from around the early 1970s up until 1986 where things were a fair bit more serious than the goofiness found in much of DC's Silver Age material. It was then that Superman's powers were ironed out to an extent. The old nonsense does pop up from time to time, though, as I have seen a few jabs toward things like "super ventriloquism" (I am not making this up) in comics from the 2000s.